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Post by foxstride on Apr 2, 2021 15:21:04 GMT -5
Into The Wild is one of my favourite books, but there are definitely ways it could have been even better.
What would you change about it?
I wish we had more perspectives, though I understand why they didn't go with a ShadowClan perspective given the first book is probably the most child-friendly books in the arc (if not the entire saga), and even then thinly.
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Post by Snowfire on Apr 2, 2021 15:34:21 GMT -5
I would remove the aspect where Firepaw had a thing for Spottedleaf, it wouldnโt be necessary, just let them be friends
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Apr 2, 2021 15:44:18 GMT -5
Establish more thought out connections in the Clans (parents, siblings, rivalries, mates and so on).
Into the Wild was supposed to be a stand alone novel at first though before being developed into a trilogy and then the whole first arc which made it easier for the editor(s) and authors to keep things vague in that whole aspect while working on it.
Still waiting on that main series confirmation of Darkstripe and Graystripe being actual half-brothers.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Apr 2, 2021 23:37:11 GMT -5
Nothing. It's god-tier.
In all seriousness, it's a fantastic book and still holds up today, even without nostalgia glasses. I still read it once a year and it's just as good every time. All I would do is cut the prologue. Entirely. Just rip out those pages.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Apr 3, 2021 8:24:03 GMT -5
Nothing. It's god-tier.ย In all seriousness, it's a fantastic book and still holds up today, even without nostalgia glasses. I still read it once a year and it's just as good every time. All I would do is cut the prologue. Entirely. Just rip out those pages.ย That's funny actually, I always completely skip the prologue whenever I read it. Thought I was alone in disliking it
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Post by sylveon on Apr 3, 2021 20:57:16 GMT -5
I think it's a stood the test of time but it reads SO differently. I remember during Yellowfang's introduction it was actually like "mrrroooowww!" When they fought. It felt both cringey and interesting at the same time. I think I would also remove Spottedleaf's romance and change it to an older-sibling like role, with her describing a little more lore. I can't think of anything else really, besides maybe removing the whole legend of LionClan, TigerClan and LeopardClan. I know it's relevant in the last book but it's literally never mentioned again.
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Post by foxstride on Apr 4, 2021 14:50:39 GMT -5
I think it's a stood the test of time but it reads SO differently. I remember during Yellowfang's introduction it was actually like "mrrroooowww!" When they fought. It felt both cringey and interesting at the same time. I think I would also remove Spottedleaf's romance and change it to an older-sibling like role, with her describing a little more lore. I can't think of anything else really, besides maybe removing the whole legend of LionClan, TigerClan and LeopardClan. I know it's relevant in the last book but it's literally never mentioned again. I definitely agree on Yellowfang's introduction! It's even worse when seen from Yellowfang's point of view in Yellowfang's Secret, it is SO out of place between her thoughts and the rest of the book.
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Post by sar8 on Apr 7, 2021 15:16:17 GMT -5
Establish more thought out connections in the Clans (parents, siblings, rivalries, mates and so on). Into the Wild was supposed to be a stand alone novel at first though before being developed into a trilogy and then the whole first arc which made it easier for the editor(s) and authors to keep things vague in that whole aspect while working on it. Still waiting on that main series confirmation of Darkstripe and Graystripe being actual half-brothers. You sure about that? The Tigerclaw issue would have been left hanging if the series had ended after the first book. The only book where it might have made sense to end the series was the third book, because the Tigerclaw issue seemed to be resolved at the end of that book with Tigerclaw getting exiled from ThunderClan. Anyway, that would be pretty amazing if what was supposed to be one stand alone book turned into three books, then six books, then seven different series and something like 17 different novellas.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Apr 7, 2021 15:36:37 GMT -5
Establish more thought out connections in the Clans (parents, siblings, rivalries, mates and so on). Into the Wild was supposed to be a stand alone novel at first though before being developed into a trilogy and then the whole first arc which made it easier for the editor(s) and authors to keep things vague in that whole aspect while working on it. Still waiting on that main series confirmation of Darkstripe and Graystripe being actual half-brothers. You sure about that? The Tigerclaw issue would have been left hanging if the series had ended after the first book. The only book where it might have made sense to end the series was the third book, because the Tigerclaw issue seemed to be resolved at the end of that book with Tigerclaw getting exiled from ThunderClan. Anyway, that would be pretty amazing if what was supposed to be one stand alone book turned into three books, then six books, then seven different series and something like 17 different novellas. This information can be found on the Warriors Wiki under the first category called Concept development: warriors.fandom.com/wiki/The_Prophecies_Begin
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Post by Skypaw13 on Apr 7, 2021 17:56:28 GMT -5
Establish more thought out connections in the Clans (parents, siblings, rivalries, mates and so on). Into the Wild was supposed to be a stand alone novel at first though before being developed into a trilogy and then the whole first arc which made it easier for the editor(s) and authors to keep things vague in that whole aspect while working on it. Still waiting on that main series confirmation of Darkstripe and Graystripe being actual half-brothers. You sure about that? The Tigerclaw issue would have been left hanging if the series had ended after the first book. The only book where it might have made sense to end the series was the third book, because the Tigerclaw issue seemed to be resolved at the end of that book with Tigerclaw getting exiled from ThunderClan. Anyway, that would be pretty amazing if what was supposed to be one stand alone book turned into three books, then six books, then seven different series and something like 17 different novellas. You'd be surprised how often it happens. The presence of a "sequel hook" doesn't necessarily mean there definitely is a sequel planned. Sometimes the author includes one because they might want to continue later but don't right now. Other times (and I know this happened with TNP), the publisher hires the author for several more books when the original is close to being completed, so sequel hooks and plot threads are thrown into an already-established draft.
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Post by daurianwind on Apr 8, 2021 2:41:25 GMT -5
Want to see Tigerclaw leading attack on Shadow camp in the end of the book and defeating Brokenstar in one-to-one fight. This will give to him more heroic traits and charisma, as a hero and protector of all forest.
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Post by sar8 on Apr 10, 2021 18:34:56 GMT -5
Want to see Tigerclaw leading attack on Shadow camp in the end of the book and defeating Brokenstar in one-to-one fight. This will give to him more heroic traits and charisma, as a hero and protector of all forest. Ostensibly, Tigerclaw wasn't sent to find the missing kits because Bluestar thought he'd blame Yellowfang for the missing kits and kill her before the truth was discovered for sure. It ultimately became a patrol led by Whitestorm and Nightpelt to drive out Brokenstar. Until this thread, I thought that the Erins really didn't include Tigerclaw in the raid because they had planned for Tigerclaw to lead Brokenstar's rogues later on. It's hard to imagine that Brokenstar's followers would have been willing to follow the cat who had led the expedition to drive them out of ShadowClan. However, if the Erins were originally planning to write just one book, I guess it just ended up being a convenient coincidence that the Erins didn't put Tigerclaw in the raid.
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Post by heatherstorm on Apr 10, 2021 21:58:52 GMT -5
remove whatever was going on with spottedleaf.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Apr 11, 2021 16:39:59 GMT -5
So many people are saying the Spottedleaf stuff should be removed, and I honestly don't agree. I think it made perfect sense in this book, and was a nice bit of character interaction. I personally feel like it was only after Spottedleaf died that the FireSpotted scenes got unbearable and creepy. In the first book, she's just a medicine cat. Pretty and everyone likes her, but she does her job and doesn't put up with nonsense. Firepaw has a schoolkid crush on her, but that's all.
I don't know, I just feel like people are looking at the first book through the lens of what happened in later books. I'm fine with Firepaw having a crush, it's cute. It was only when she started returning that crush in later books that it got weird. I know later books and extra content retconned her to have feelings for him in the first book, but as far as I can tell, if you just read Into the Wild, you don't come away with the impression she liked him back.
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