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Post by *Ottersplash* on May 6, 2021 18:50:30 GMT -5
people assume "only protags have experience" bc we see them up close, we see exactly what kind of experience they get bc its their POV's, etc. but background characters can easily have same or even more experience, we just dont see it. i usually dont like the "we just dont see it" argument, but for leaders and deputies, i'll agree with it. thats why i keep bringing up rosepetal. her having so many apprentices could have meant SOMETHING, something to do with her possibly becoming deputy someday. apprentices = experience. but bc cats like rosepetal werent protags or POV focus, people will say "just bc she had a ton of apprentices, doesnt mean she could have been good leadership material." which makes no sense to me. background cats deserve more credit and more focus. flesh out the clans. give the audience more OPTIONS. protags or former protags should NOT be the only options people should bring up when discussing possible future deputies/leaders! im annoyed at seeing people still insist on ivypool, bristlefrost, etc. the same old same old options again and again. What has Bristlefrost even done to earn deputyship? I haven't been reading TBC, but it's really unfair to say she deserves it when there's so many cats capable of being deputy other than her and Ivypool! She used to be my favorite character though but I lost interest in her. She hasn't done anything. Bristlefrost isn't decisive or determined enough to be a good leader from everything we've seen of her. Even if I did like her, she hasn't done anything besides be a main character. She's shown no leadership abilities. In fact, her spying and everything is done under the order of Squirrelflight Her main plot now is literally just pining after Rootspring
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Post by Aqua on May 6, 2021 18:56:08 GMT -5
What has Bristlefrost even done to earn deputyship? I haven't been reading TBC, but it's really unfair to say she deserves it when there's so many cats capable of being deputy other than her and Ivypool! She used to be my favorite character though but I lost interest in her. She hasn't done anything. Bristlefrost isn't decisive or determined enough to be a good leader from everything we've seen of her. Even if I did like her, she hasn't done anything besides be a main character. She's shown no leadership abilities. In fact, her spying and everything is done under the order of Squirrelflight Her main plot now is literally just pining after Rootspring Which is exactly why I lost interest in Bristlefrost. At first she was really mature and cute with her feelings over Stemleaf, and I liked how she chose friendship for Spotfur rather than continue to be envious, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that Bristlefrost continued to be indecisive about whether or not she wanted to be with Rootspring? I like the healthy friendship, but Bristlefrost is so boring as a character, she literally revolves around Rootspring and I feel like that's all there is that's to her character. She became such a bland trophy wife after she lost interest in Stemleaf.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on May 6, 2021 19:41:51 GMT -5
She hasn't done anything. Bristlefrost isn't decisive or determined enough to be a good leader from everything we've seen of her. Even if I did like her, she hasn't done anything besides be a main character. She's shown no leadership abilities. In fact, her spying and everything is done under the order of Squirrelflight Her main plot now is literally just pining after Rootspring Which is exactly why I lost interest in Bristlefrost. At first she was really mature and cute with her feelings over Stemleaf, and I liked how she chose friendship for Spotfur rather than continue to be envious, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that Bristlefrost continued to be indecisive about whether or not she wanted to be with Rootspring? I like the healthy friendship, but Bristlefrost is so boring as a character, she literally revolves around Rootspring and I feel like that's all there is that's to her character. She became such a bland trophy wife after she lost interest in Stemleaf. How is she a trophy wife when she and Rootspring aren't even mates, and she still has her own personal qualms to deal with in ThunderClan as a character?
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Post by Aqua on May 6, 2021 20:51:47 GMT -5
Which is exactly why I lost interest in Bristlefrost. At first she was really mature and cute with her feelings over Stemleaf, and I liked how she chose friendship for Spotfur rather than continue to be envious, but I'm pretty sure I remember reading that Bristlefrost continued to be indecisive about whether or not she wanted to be with Rootspring? I like the healthy friendship, but Bristlefrost is so boring as a character, she literally revolves around Rootspring and I feel like that's all there is that's to her character. She became such a bland trophy wife after she lost interest in Stemleaf. How is she a trophy wife when she and Rootspring aren't even mates, and she still has her own personal qualms to deal with in ThunderClan as a character? I don't really feel like explaining it. It's just my opinion on Bristlefrost and that's all.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 6, 2021 21:03:49 GMT -5
I always got the sense it was Rootspring thirsting more over Bristlefrost than the other way around. She just started thinking he was actually pretty cute like any normal crush. Which...is super normal and almost refreshing to get a non-powered/prophecy cat POV.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 7, 2021 8:01:47 GMT -5
I wouldn't mind Ivypool being leader, but ehh... i would rather have younger characters. The cats born in OotS forward are already too old for leadership. And Bristlefrost, she's just so boring as a character, her entire character revolves around Rootspring now, and she showed no ambition towards becoming leader this arc. Didin't Bristlefrost once say she didin't like being deputy or smth?
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Post by foxstride on May 9, 2021 17:17:42 GMT -5
Ivypool has done a lot to set her up almost perfectly for leadership, whereas Dovewing is... she has never proved herself capable of leading so much as a patrol to me. While she follows her heart, she doesn't think through before acting, and she can actually be pretty harmful when trying to do that. I think Tawnypelt's Clan solidified that even more for me with how much she cares but lets her emotions rule her. Ivypool is a lot more pragmatic.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 10, 2021 12:05:01 GMT -5
I always got the sense it was Rootspring thirsting more over Bristlefrost than the other way around. She just started thinking he was actually pretty cute like any normal crush. Which...is super normal and almost refreshing to get a non-powered/prophecy cat POV. But what people are talking about is not who thirsts more over the other. I think they must be talking about how her newest chapters probably revolve in just seeing what happens in ThunderClan or worrying about Rootpsring or talking about her relationship with him. I think that's what people mean that her whole character revolves around her.
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Post by Moonblazer on May 10, 2021 12:45:38 GMT -5
I always got the sense it was Rootspring thirsting more over Bristlefrost than the other way around. She just started thinking he was actually pretty cute like any normal crush. Which...is super normal and almost refreshing to get a non-powered/prophecy cat POV. But what people are talking about is not who thirsts more over the other. I think they must be talking about how her newest chapters probably revolve in just seeing what happens in ThunderClan or worrying about Rootpsring or talking about her relationship with him. I think that's what people mean that her whole character revolves around her. I just find it kind of funny that nobody’s getting as riled about Rootspring doing the same thing towards Bristlefrost even moreso than she does about him, but when she starts being interested in him, it’s suddenly such an issue. Honestly the only reason she can’t be as interesting as a character is because she doesn’t have some super power and Squirrelflight is yet again stealing Thunderclan’s spotlight ;.;
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on May 10, 2021 13:24:08 GMT -5
But what people are talking about is not who thirsts more over the other. I think they must be talking about how her newest chapters probably revolve in just seeing what happens in ThunderClan or worrying about Rootpsring or talking about her relationship with him. I think that's what people mean that her whole character revolves around her. I just find it kind of funny that nobody’s getting as riled about Rootspring doing the same thing towards Bristlefrost even moreso than she does about him, but when she starts being interested in him, it’s suddenly such an issue. Honestly the only reason she can’t be as interesting as a character is because she doesn’t have some super power and Squirrelflight is yet again stealing Thunderclan’s spotlight ;.; I agree that Squirrelflight shouldn't be stealing so much spotlight. Honestly her and Bramble's arc was already nicely done by BS.
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