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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 25, 2021 17:34:43 GMT -5
I have noticed this a lot, especially from being a part of the community for 11 years. What is something you think of that the Warriors community was pretty hypocritical about?
For me, I feel like the community always wants more background cats to get in higher positions in Clans, but then complain that they are boring and hope they die. I saw this first-hand with Harestar. I remember many people being happy that a more background cat became leader, but now I see a lot of people saying that they think he’s boring and want Crowstar instead. I’m sorry but if Harestar somehow loses his 8 remaining lives and we get Crowstar, he’s probably be the “next Mistystar” since he’s getting a bit old already. Harestar is younger than him and I personally enjoy background cats with higher positions. I was recently happy when Tigerstar chose Cloverfoot as his deputy for this reason.
What do you guys think? How can the Warriors community be hypocritical at times?
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 25, 2021 18:03:56 GMT -5
i agree about the background cat one.
people also want some background cats to be leader, but they don't realize that those background cats are old. i have a thing about old charatcers staying around for more than 3 arcs. younger background cats should be given importance and leadership roles but bc they dont get personalities, no one thinks about other background cats gettin those important roles. u're right bc harestar wasnt that big of a personality until he became deputy and leader.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 25, 2021 18:20:23 GMT -5
Seeing people vehemently hate on Bluestar but absolutely love Thistleclaw is wild, and I can't believe I've seen numerous people who still feel that way even after certain recent books.
Don't get me wrong, people can dislike/like characters for whatever reason they want, but the whiplash between someone claiming that "Bluestar is so overrated, she was rude and closed-off, she didn't care about her sister, she should have gone to the Dark Forest and not StarClan", while simultaneously saying things like "Thistleclaw is underrated, he didn't deserve the Dark Forest (pre-SH), he loved his family and was a good dad, he's so complex" is... odd, to say the least.
Bluestar may have had serious character flaws that make me understand why people dislike her, and Thistleclaw may not have been Satan incarnate in BP; but the former has been through numerous traumatic experiences that helped make her that way, while the latter attacks a pregnant cat and has his apprentice beat up a kittypet kit. People claim Thistleclaw only turned vicious because his wife died and that made him so sad, but that same logic never seems to extend to Bluestar losing her sister. It's just really transparent, imo, and I wish people could just like villains without feeling the need to justify everything they do.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 25, 2021 19:01:01 GMT -5
Seeing people vehemently hate on Bluestar but absolutely love Thistleclaw is wild, and I can't believe I've seen numerous people who still feel that way even after certain recent books. Don't get me wrong, people can dislike/like characters for whatever reason they want, but the whiplash between someone claiming that " Bluestar is so overrated, she was rude and closed-off, she didn't care about her sister, she should have gone to the Dark Forest and not StarClan", while simultaneously saying things like " Thistleclaw is underrated, he didn't deserve the Dark Forest (pre-SH), he loved his family and was a good dad, he's so complex" is... odd, to say the least. Bluestar may have had serious character flaws that make me understand why people dislike her, and Thistleclaw may not have been Satan incarnate in BP; but the former has been through numerous traumatic experiences that helped make her that way, while the latter attacks a pregnant cat and has his apprentice beat up a kittypet kit. People claim Thistleclaw only turned vicious because his wife died and that made him so sad, but that same logic never seems to extend to Bluestar losing her sister. It's just really transparent, imo, and I wish people could just like villains without feeling the need to justify everything they do. Yes, all of this! Hate Bluestar all you want, but I'm so tired of seeing Thistleclaw's actions getting downplayed for one reason or another. Yeah, he was sweet on Snowfur, but that doesn't really mean anything. Maybe Bluefur could've given him a chance, but she was also under no obligation to do so, especially when he's just as rude to her—if not more so at times—in return and had never really given her much of a reason to try and be friendly with him anyway.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 25, 2021 19:04:41 GMT -5
When people wonder why certain background cats were chosen, such as Ashfur or Bumblestripe being picked out for love triangles. Folks point out that it could have been Rainwhisker instead of Ashfur, when in reality, it hardly makes a difference, background characters have so little personality that handpicking one by random doesn't change anything.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 25, 2021 19:24:36 GMT -5
When people wonder why certain background cats were chosen, such as Ashfur or Bumblestripe being picked out for love triangles. Folks point out that it could have been Rainwhisker instead of Ashfur, when in reality, it hardly makes a difference, background characters have so little personality that handpicking one by random doesn't change anything. And in the case of Ashfur, he at least actually had some sort of connection with Brambleclaw already, so it already makes more sense to use him compared to, say, Rainwhisker anyway.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 25, 2021 19:32:37 GMT -5
When people wonder why certain background cats were chosen, such as Ashfur or Bumblestripe being picked out for love triangles. Folks point out that it could have been Rainwhisker instead of Ashfur, when in reality, it hardly makes a difference, background characters have so little personality that handpicking one by random doesn't change anything. Exactly, I was thinking about this too!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2021 19:45:39 GMT -5
Trashing ships like DustFern and IvyFern because of the randomly thrown together family tree but being all for ships like FoxDove, HollyIvy and FoxRose. IvyFern is barely related iirc.
ETA: Not saying a peep about Frostfur and Goldenflower then hating on Daisy and Ferncloud so hard that Ferncloud was eventually killed off.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 25, 2021 19:49:56 GMT -5
Trashing ships like DustFern and IvyFern because of the randomly thrown together family tree but being all for ships like FoxDove, HollyIvy and FoxRose. IvyFern is barely related iirc. Agreed! Mothpool as well.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Mar 25, 2021 21:16:28 GMT -5
My favorite is Bluestar.
People want mental illness to be accurately portrayed, but when it is done in Bluestar--very well I may add--people hate her and blame her for her mental deterioration.
Did she make stupid decisions when she was younger? Yes. But later in life it ate away at her until she mentally snapped and had little to no control over her own mind going downhill.
Yet for reason, people want to crap on her for it. Her mental downfall was done very well by warriors standards imho. Especially considering it's not like they have psychiatrists and stuff in the wild. She was very accurately done.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 25, 2021 21:26:41 GMT -5
Oh boy...I'm coming in with a hot take. People glorifying Squirrelflight and letting any if not all of her actions be glossed over in favor of bashing on Bramblestar's character and accusing him of being abusive. Also claiming the Sister's group as being innocent little angels alongside that despite them literally kidnapping Squirrelflight and causing troubles with other clans. Also pairing Squirrelflight up with Shrew, Daisy, and even Moonlight, out of spite because of Bramble's character. It's wild to me how much people go off on a hate spree with Bramblestar's character and then claim he's abusive when in reality he is a leader first and a mate second. He should be putting his clan before his kin, and that is the point of being a leader, while Squirrelflight takes everything he does personally which is just...dumb. I don't know how a convo about SkyClan's wellbeing suddenly turned into a convo about wanting kits and Squirrel thinking Bramble didn't love her just because he didn't want kits??? Also, the backward logic people treat that scene is just appalling. I see Bumblestripe get bashed for wanting kits with Dovewing, but when it's the other way around there's not a peep about Squirrelflight being similar, but instead shaming Bramble for not being comfortable for it?? It's crazy to see just how hypocritical people are when it comes to these two, especially when it comes to favoring Squirrel. She's a deputy that got her position out of trust, yet she constantly breaks that trust and undermines her leader, and when her leader rightfully reprimands her, he's accused of being abusive...??
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 25, 2021 22:07:45 GMT -5
Oh boy...I'm coming in with a hot take. People glorifying Squirrelflight and letting any if not all of her actions be glossed over in favor of bashing on Bramblestar's character and accusing him of being abusive. Also claiming the Sister's group as being innocent little angels alongside that despite them literally kidnapping Squirrelflight and causing troubles with other clans. Also pairing Squirrelflight up with Shrew, Daisy, and even Moonlight, out of spite because of Bramble's character. It's wild to me how much people go off on a hate spree with Bramblestar's character and then claim he's abusive when in reality he is a leader first and a mate second. He should be putting his clan before his kin, and that is the point of being a leader, while Squirrelflight takes everything he does personally which is just...dumb. I don't know how a convo about SkyClan's wellbeing suddenly turned into a convo about wanting kits and Squirrel thinking Bramble didn't love her just because he didn't want kits??? Also, the backward logic people treat that scene is just appalling. I see Bumblestripe get bashed for wanting kits with Dovewing, but when it's the other way around there's not a peep about Squirrelflight being similar, but instead shaming Bramble for not being comfortable for it?? It's crazy to see just how hypocritical people are when it comes to these two, especially when it comes to favoring Squirrel. She's a deputy that got her position out of trust, yet she constantly breaks that trust and undermines her leader, and when her leader rightfully reprimands her, he's accused of being abusive...?? They are definitely both horrible as a pair. Their relationship isn’t healthy on both sides, not just one or the other. Although I agree that people tend to undermine Bramblestar’s perspective. I have seen people paint Bramblestar as physically abusive, which is not the case. People have done the same with painting Crowfeather and Thistleclaw as abusive mates to Leaf/Night and Snowfur respectfully. I swear some of these people haven’t read the books at all or read them so long ago that they forget events and take fanon as canon. I guess I understand where the people who pair Squirrelflight with other cats are coming from? Shrew and Squirrel are related so that’s a no for me, and Daisy and Moonlight just make zero sense to me. Especially shipping her with Moonlight lol.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 25, 2021 22:17:43 GMT -5
Another thing I’ve noticed in the fandom is how people tend to label characters as either “good” or “bad” when most of the characters are morally gray. Most characters have positive and negative aspects to them, and that’s realistic. This is especially an issue when they label a morally gray character as “bad” and demonize them. Plus, when it comes to situations in these books, you need to see it in the shoes... or paws as other characters involved, not just the POV character(s).
I feel like people’s opinions on other characters flip easily for this reason as well. If a Warriors fanmedia creator says something, it must be canon, right? People will watch one video and change their entire opinion on a character.
The biggest example of this and the one that bothered me the most is the situation with Draikinator. I will never forget how they demonized Crowfeather and made Nightcloud seem so-innocent. So many people jumped onto a Crowfeather-hate bandwagon because of them. Also, I will not forget when they headcanoned that only characters they don’t like are cishet (Crowfeather, Appledusk, etc). It really rubbed me the wrong way and it seemed like a lot of people had no issue with it? Anyways, enough about them.
I guess it happened with Moonkitti’s video on Bramblestar as well. I mean, I don’t like him that much either but Squirrelflight isn’t in the right here either. I know Moonkitti did not say that Squirrelflight was good and right, but a lot of her fans jumped onto that conclusion that Squirrelflight is a victim. It’s just... frustrating at times.
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Post by Cloudy Sky on Mar 26, 2021 1:27:27 GMT -5
When people wonder why certain background cats were chosen, such as Ashfur or Bumblestripe being picked out for love triangles. Folks point out that it could have been Rainwhisker instead of Ashfur, when in reality, it hardly makes a difference, background characters have so little personality that handpicking one by random doesn't change anything. I totally agree. Also, if a really random background character was chosen, people would just complain that that character's whole personality was based around the love interest as well.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Mar 26, 2021 10:07:16 GMT -5
Oh boy...I'm coming in with a hot take. People glorifying Squirrelflight and letting any if not all of her actions be glossed over in favor of bashing on Bramblestar's character and accusing him of being abusive. Also claiming the Sister's group as being innocent little angels alongside that despite them literally kidnapping Squirrelflight and causing troubles with other clans. Also pairing Squirrelflight up with Shrew, Daisy, and even Moonlight, out of spite because of Bramble's character. It's wild to me how much people go off on a hate spree with Bramblestar's character and then claim he's abusive when in reality he is a leader first and a mate second. He should be putting his clan before his kin, and that is the point of being a leader, while Squirrelflight takes everything he does personally which is just...dumb. I don't know how a convo about SkyClan's wellbeing suddenly turned into a convo about wanting kits and Squirrel thinking Bramble didn't love her just because he didn't want kits??? Also, the backward logic people treat that scene is just appalling. I see Bumblestripe get bashed for wanting kits with Dovewing, but when it's the other way around there's not a peep about Squirrelflight being similar, but instead shaming Bramble for not being comfortable for it?? It's crazy to see just how hypocritical people are when it comes to these two, especially when it comes to favoring Squirrel. She's a deputy that got her position out of trust, yet she constantly breaks that trust and undermines her leader, and when her leader rightfully reprimands her, he's accused of being abusive...?? They are definitely both horrible as a pair. Their relationship isn’t healthy on both sides, not just one or the other. Although I agree that people tend to undermine Bramblestar’s perspective. I have seen people paint Bramblestar as physically abusive, which is not the case. People have done the same with painting Crowfeather and Thistleclaw as abusive mates to Leaf/Night and Snowfur respectfully. I swear some of these people haven’t read the books at all or read them so long ago that they forget events and take fanon as canon. I guess I understand where the people who pair Squirrelflight with other cats are coming from? Shrew and Squirrel are related so that’s a no for me, and Daisy and Moonlight just make zero sense to me. Especially shipping her with Moonlight lol. I think people ship her with Daisy because they like the idea of Daisy helping Squirrelflight get out of her relationship with Bramblestar, be sympathetic with her, be understanding, and help her with her insecurites. And when she has moved on, fully healed, maybe the two could fall in love, and start a relationship. It's something similar to BrambleDaisy. And with Shrewpaw, how is he releated to Squirrelflight again? If that's the case, then i think people don't mind mates being releated a long as they have a huge gap, since most of the cats in the Clan will be releated anyway. I'm a hardcore SquirrelShrew shipper, so i mainly ship them because i think they would be a better match for eachother. Squirrelflight is just fully capable of being a mate, just that she and Bramblestar aren't fit for eachother. And another reason is that i really want the Dustpelt family to have some spotlight and have their line to continue.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 26, 2021 10:18:52 GMT -5
They are definitely both horrible as a pair. Their relationship isn’t healthy on both sides, not just one or the other. Although I agree that people tend to undermine Bramblestar’s perspective. I have seen people paint Bramblestar as physically abusive, which is not the case. People have done the same with painting Crowfeather and Thistleclaw as abusive mates to Leaf/Night and Snowfur respectfully. I swear some of these people haven’t read the books at all or read them so long ago that they forget events and take fanon as canon. I guess I understand where the people who pair Squirrelflight with other cats are coming from? Shrew and Squirrel are related so that’s a no for me, and Daisy and Moonlight just make zero sense to me. Especially shipping her with Moonlight lol. I think people ship her with Daisy because they like the idea of Daisy helping Squirrelflight get out of her relationship with Bramblestar, be sympathetic with her, be understanding, and help her with her insecurites. And when she has moved on, fully healed, maybe the two could fall in love, and start a relationship. It's something similar to BrambleDaisy. And with Shrewpaw, how is he releated to Squirrelflight again? If that's the case, then i think people don't mind mates being releated a long as they have a huge gap, since most of the cats in the Clan will be releated anyway. I'm a hardcore SquirrelShrew shipper, so i mainly ship them because i think they would be a better match for eachother. Squirrelflight is just fully capable of being a mate, just that she and Bramblestar aren't fit for eachother. And another reason is that i really want the Dustpelt family to have some spotlight and have their line to continue. I am okay with relationships who are related if they are not too close such as IvyFern, but I try not to willingly ship incest ships. Shrewpaw and Squirrelflight have a common grandmother in Brindleface, Sandstorm and Ferncloud’s mother. Dustpelt and Brindleface are also siblings, which is another way that they are related, just like how Dustpelt is Ferncloud’s uncle. They are related in two ways, which is why I try not to pair them together. They would be cute though ngl, but I try to steer away from shipping things like that.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 26, 2021 12:11:26 GMT -5
I think people ship her with Daisy because they like the idea of Daisy helping Squirrelflight get out of her relationship with Bramblestar, be sympathetic with her, be understanding, and help her with her insecurites. And when she has moved on, fully healed, maybe the two could fall in love, and start a relationship. It's something similar to BrambleDaisy. And with Shrewpaw, how is he releated to Squirrelflight again? If that's the case, then i think people don't mind mates being releated a long as they have a huge gap, since most of the cats in the Clan will be releated anyway. I'm a hardcore SquirrelShrew shipper, so i mainly ship them because i think they would be a better match for eachother. Squirrelflight is just fully capable of being a mate, just that she and Bramblestar aren't fit for eachother. And another reason is that i really want the Dustpelt family to have some spotlight and have their line to continue. I am okay with relationships who are related if they are not too close such as IvyFern, but I try not to willingly ship incest ships. Shrewpaw and Squirrelflight have a common grandmother in Brindleface, Sandstorm and Ferncloud’s mother. Dustpelt and Brindleface are also siblings, which is another way that they are related, just like how Dustpelt is Ferncloud’s uncle. They are related in two ways, which is why I try not to pair them together. They would be cute though ngl, but I try to steer away from shipping things like that. Brindleface was never Sandstorm's mother outside a shoddily put together Family Tree so I wouldn't consider that canon.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 26, 2021 12:43:09 GMT -5
I am okay with relationships who are related if they are not too close such as IvyFern, but I try not to willingly ship incest ships. Shrewpaw and Squirrelflight have a common grandmother in Brindleface, Sandstorm and Ferncloud’s mother. Dustpelt and Brindleface are also siblings, which is another way that they are related, just like how Dustpelt is Ferncloud’s uncle. They are related in two ways, which is why I try not to pair them together. They would be cute though ngl, but I try to steer away from shipping things like that. Brindleface was never Sandstorm's mother outside a shoddily put together Family Tree so I wouldn't consider that canon. It’s all we have to go with, though. There’s nothing saything anything else. So, I will go with it unless other parents are confirmed for her.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 26, 2021 13:58:28 GMT -5
I feel like the current stance of a majority in the fandom on BrambleSquirrel as a couple and individual characters was rather a lot influenced by Moonkitti's "Bramblestar is Worse" video. Which I have already watched twice, once when it came out and another time about two months ago.
I'm very much convinced that, while she definitely has a point with Bramblestar exhibiting emotionally abusive behavior, there are quite a few moments in the video that strongly indicate her bias in favour of Squirrelflight when looking at certain situations where she does not even try to also look at how Brambleclaw/star might have felt in it because her dislike of him dates back pretty far.
She mentioned in her "Top 5 Least Favorite Cats" video that she always disliked him even as a kid and that she also prefered Ashfur over him. Then again, I'm sure her opinion has at least changed on the latter while the former only got to "he's boring" for a while. I just hope that her fans will also be able to form their own opinions on both Squirrelflight and Bramblestar without constantly referencing back to a video that while being true in most parts also shows a lack of trying to understand other characters besides "darling Squilf " as Moonkitti does tend to side with Squirrelflight whenever another character disagrees with her despite the fact that Squirrelflight has faults and made mistakes just like any other cat in the series.
Squirrelflight and Bramblestar are both still two of my favorite characters in the Warriors series but I will not deny that their relationship has ruined some aspects of who they are and were for me.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 26, 2021 15:24:11 GMT -5
Brindleface was never Sandstorm's mother outside a shoddily put together Family Tree so I wouldn't consider that canon. It’s all we have to go with, though. There’s nothing saything anything else. So, I will go with it unless other parents are confirmed for her. She doesn't need named parents. Making up pairings for the family tree is how we got into the incest mess in the first place.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 26, 2021 16:26:06 GMT -5
It’s all we have to go with, though. There’s nothing saything anything else. So, I will go with it unless other parents are confirmed for her. She doesn't need named parents. Making up pairings for the family tree is how we got into the incest mess in the first place. i agree. making prequels and trying to fill in the gaps in the family tree started this mess...i dont think the prequels should have had such a focus on who was related to who (such as making up older cats like flashnose or daisytoe to connect to bluestar's tree, etc.)
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 26, 2021 18:48:18 GMT -5
It’s all we have to go with, though. There’s nothing saything anything else. So, I will go with it unless other parents are confirmed for her. She doesn't need named parents. Making up pairings for the family tree is how we got into the incest mess in the first place. I prefer to have clarity, but that’s just me. If that’s your preference, then that’s totally fine. I just prefer for certain holes to be filled. I have family trees memorized. Instead of shutting off things like that, I instead take it as pseudo-canon as we literally have nothing else to go off of. I’d personally like to know who cats’ families are so I can know more about them. Instead of shutting out familial connections and possibilites, I like to say that the warrior code is complete bogus and it is why there’s so much incest. The “you cannot have mates outside of your clan” rule is why there is incest, not because of people filling in gaps in family trees. It’s either mate with your cousin or break the warrior code that you’ve been taught to follow your entire life, and most Clan cats pick the former. As much as I enjoy the series, I am heavily critical of the Clans’ way of life. Even when reading the first arc when most familial relations weren’t revealed, I remember wondering who certain character’s families were and what the relationships between them are. The Brindleface and Redtail being Sandstorm’s parents thing has been arounf for many, many years, even when I first joined the community. It’s the only answers we’ve had for the longest time, so me and some others like to latch onto these as it’s what we’re used to. Same with Lionheart being the father to Frostfur’s kits. It’s not technically canon as it is never really mentioned in the books, but I take it as semi-canon because it’s all we have and it would somewhat make sense. If you’d prefer Sandstorm to have no parents, that’s fine by me. You do you.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 26, 2021 19:00:21 GMT -5
Speaking of what I just said, another hypocrisy is that some Warriors fans hate forbidden romance (half-Clan relationships or loner/rogue x Clan cat) but also complain about the incest. That part of the warrior code and incest are like a two-in-one package. A lot of characters do not have a choice due to the warrior code. By mating outside of their Clan, they are much more likely to end up with someone who isn’t their cousin or aunt/uncle. I honestly believe that Clan cats should be able to freely be mates with whoever they want, even if that cat is not in their Clan. To be fair, there are still half-Clan couples who are related (*cough* TigerDove *cough*), but it’s much less likely. By providing open relationship choices and maybe even let cats freely change Clans if they want without any issues (could be based off hunting styles/fresh kill preferences or to live with a certain cat). I hate that part of the warrior code, but I hate the “the leader’s word is the warrior code” rule a bit more. As I get older, I get tired of the strict, cult-like society the Clan cats live in.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Mar 26, 2021 19:11:49 GMT -5
Speaking of what I just said, another hypocrisy is that some Warriors fans hate forbidden romance (half-Clan relationships or loner/rogue x Clan cat) but also complain about the incest. That part of the warrior code and incest are like a two-in-one package. A lot of characters do not have a choice due to the warrior code. By mating outside of their Clan, they are much more likely to end up with someone who isn’t their cousin or aunt/uncle. I honestly believe that Clan cats should be able to freely be mates with whoever they want, even if that cat is not in their Clan. To be fair, there are still half-Clan couples who are related (*cough* TigerDove *cough*), but it’s much less likely. By providing open relationship choices and maybe even let cats freely change Clans if they want without any issues (could be based off hunting styles/fresh kill preferences or to live with a certain cat). I hate that part of the warrior code, but I hate the “the leader’s word is the warrior code” rule a bit more. As I get older, I get tired of the strict, cult-like society the Clan cats live in. How are Tiger and Dove related? I can’t remember.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 26, 2021 19:15:27 GMT -5
Speaking of what I just said, another hypocrisy is that some Warriors fans hate forbidden romance (half-Clan relationships or loner/rogue x Clan cat) but also complain about the incest. That part of the warrior code and incest are like a two-in-one package. A lot of characters do not have a choice due to the warrior code. By mating outside of their Clan, they are much more likely to end up with someone who isn’t their cousin or aunt/uncle. I honestly believe that Clan cats should be able to freely be mates with whoever they want, even if that cat is not in their Clan. To be fair, there are still half-Clan couples who are related (*cough* TigerDove *cough*), but it’s much less likely. By providing open relationship choices and maybe even let cats freely change Clans if they want without any issues (could be based off hunting styles/fresh kill preferences or to live with a certain cat). I hate that part of the warrior code, but I hate the “the leader’s word is the warrior code” rule a bit more. As I get older, I get tired of the strict, cult-like society the Clan cats live in. How are Tiger and Dove related? I can’t remember. Tigerheartstar’s mother is Tawnypelt. Her mother is Goldenflower. Dovewing’s grandmother is Brightheart. Brightheart’s father is semi-canonly Lionheart. Lionheart and Goldenflower are siblings.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Mar 26, 2021 19:19:29 GMT -5
How are Tiger and Dove related? I can’t remember. Tigerheartstar’s mother is Tawnypelt. Her mother is Goldenflower. Dovewing’s grandmother is Brightheart. Brightheart’s father is semi-canonly Lionheart. Lionheart and Goldenflower are siblings. Ah okay, thanks
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 26, 2021 21:56:32 GMT -5
Mothdapplei forgot to reply to the ivyfern thing from hours ago, but my main gripe is that ivypool was literally around lionblaze way before fernsong was even conceived/born. people make a big deal about pinestar and leopardfoot, but not about ivyfern...both pairs became mates when both were adult warriors, but the age gap is still weird for both for me. so not only is ivyfern related (there's a whole prophecy stating why dovewing (and ivypool as her sister) are related to lionblaze and jayfeather), but ivypool was a young adult while lionblaze and cinderheart didn't even decide to have kits yet.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 26, 2021 22:05:21 GMT -5
Mothdapplei forgot to reply to the ivyfern thing from hours ago, but my main gripe is that ivypool was literally around lionblaze way before fernsong was even conceived/born. people make a big deal about pinestar and leopardfoot, but not about ivyfern...both pairs became mates when both were adult warriors, but the age gap is still weird for both for me. so not only is ivyfern related (there's a whole prophecy stating why dovewing (and ivypool as her sister) are related to lionblaze and jayfeather), but ivypool was a young adult while lionblaze and cinderheart didn't even decide to have kits yet. They’re only around a year? Year and a half? Two years? Apart in age. Which, to me, is not a bad age gap at all. Yes, she is a young warrior when he is born, but it is not a huge gap at all when you put it into perspective. It is not even comparable to PineLeopard, who are around 8 or 9 years apart in age. Or ThornBlossom, who are about 5 or 6 years apart in age. Since they are consenting adults, it doesn’t bother me at all. And when it comes to the incest thing, there are so many relationships in warriors that are even closer related. I don’t see people complaining about those than they do about IvyFern, whose nearest common ancestor is as far back (Nutmeg/Jake). When you are held back by the warrior code, there are only a few options if a cat wants a mate without breaking the warrior code.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 26, 2021 22:19:12 GMT -5
Mothdapple i forgot to reply to the ivyfern thing from hours ago, but my main gripe is that ivypool was literally around lionblaze way before fernsong was even conceived/born. people make a big deal about pinestar and leopardfoot, but not about ivyfern...both pairs became mates when both were adult warriors, but the age gap is still weird for both for me. so not only is ivyfern related (there's a whole prophecy stating why dovewing (and ivypool as her sister) are related to lionblaze and jayfeather), but ivypool was a young adult while lionblaze and cinderheart didn't even decide to have kits yet. The problem with Pine and Leopard is that Pine is older than Leopard's parents, and even then the dude is already deputy by the time her parents were still apprentices. The gap between them is much larger than even Thorn and Blossom, while at most the age gap between IvyFern is at least 1 to 2 years, there are plenty of other pairings in the series which much larger age gaps. On the other hand, Ivypool and Fernsong don't even share 1% of dna, and in the case of an isolated clan where forbidden relationships aren't allowed, it's basically one of the best outcomes it's going to get. Even the prophecy that revolved around Dove is wrong, because it's supposed to be "kin of your kin", so Firestar's grandchildren, meanwhile he's Dovewing's great-great uncle. FernIvy are third-cousins, which is even less than pairings like DoveTiger, SquirrelBramble, DustFern, and SnowLily. I think the only reason people are uncomfortable with it is because it's pointed out that they're related through the prophecy, but if that wasn't the case then would people care less? If the pairing makes you personally uncomfortable, then that's perfectly fine too.
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Post by Rainsplash on Mar 26, 2021 23:04:59 GMT -5
Saying Mistystar and Leafstar should die and wishing Crowstar happens Saying LeafSquirrel should have been kicked out while saying Mapleshade should've gotten a nice, fine punishment like getting scolded
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