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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 22, 2021 18:55:45 GMT -5
Since there's a villain-theme going around these threads, I pose the question: Which two villains in Warriors would make the most dangerous and successful team-up match?
Most all villains are independent in their ways, but my guess would be Sol and Darktail.
Sol could be the mind manipulator (maybe play on Darktail's emotions about his hatred for the Clans and Onestar being his father) and Darktail could supply the brute strength and organized forces.
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StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Mar 22, 2021 18:58:33 GMT -5
I think Ashfur and Brokenstar would make a good pair.
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StarClan leader
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Featherstar
She could now see that destiny alone could not save RiverClan. - Frostpaw, Wind
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Post by Featherstar on Mar 22, 2021 19:30:34 GMT -5
I think Ashfur and Brokenstar would make a good pair. Even better! Ashfur and Tigerstar! They both make good evil plans! They would also work good together. (Only for them to fail at the end!)
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 22, 2021 19:31:42 GMT -5
Tigerstar and Scourge really could have been a good duo, if only they didn't have bad blood for one another. Tigerstar can come up with good plans and generally executes them successfully, and Scourge is an intimidating little weirdo with ridiculous combat prowess. Tigerstar is a great fighter in his own right, but Scourge has the upper hand because of his brutality. They compliment each other very well, and also wouldn't put themselves at a severe disadvantage if one member of the duo died (like it would if this were a brains/brawns pair). Seriously, if Scourge had just played nice with Tigerstar, TigerClan/BloodClan would have easily wiped out LionClan.
Hawkfrost and Darkstripe would have also been a solid pair, imo. Hawkfrost can play nice as a strong, charming warrior on track to be deputy; meanwhile, he has his lackey Darkstripe get rid of the competition behind the scenes. Darkstripe may be weak, but if he had the same undying loyalty to Hawkfrost that he did for Tigerstar, he'd be just as willing to do anything and everything that Hawkfrost orders him to. They also have the shared quality of being absolutely ineffectual and kind of pathetic when they were alive, so at the very least they would have each other for company.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2021 19:54:07 GMT -5
I came in here with confidence thinking you meant romantic pair and holding my TigerDark fanart I-
Let me take my leave.
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Mar 22, 2021 20:07:57 GMT -5
Sol and Darktail! i have AU's where these two team up and they'd make the most cunning and manipulative villains together!
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Post by แแชแ แฝ แพf fแชแแ แพms ใโ on Mar 22, 2021 20:08:37 GMT -5
I think Ashfur and Brokenstar would make a good pair. Even better! Ashfur and Tigerstar! They both make good evil plans! They would also work good together. (Only for them to fail at the end!) ashfur may be evil but he still wouldnt work with the guy who killed his mother lol
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Mar 23, 2021 10:53:26 GMT -5
I was also hoping you meant romantic villain pairs but that's on me.
I'm still convinced that Hawkfrost and Ashfur had something going on and they did work together in canon to lure Firestar into the fox trap which ended up taking one of his lives away.
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Post by silentbreeze on Mar 23, 2021 10:56:09 GMT -5
Ashfur and Hawkfrost. Imagine if Ashfur went to the dark forest like he deserved, they would be way more brutal together. Even though their plan in life failed, they still managed to take one of Firestar's lives, plus they just have goals that intertwine very well with each other.
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Post by Redstorm on Mar 23, 2021 11:41:42 GMT -5
I think a big reason why villains fail is because their egos are too big and they all want to be in charge. So that would automatically cancel out two cats who both want to be in charge. There's a reason why Tigerstar and Scourge didn't work out lol. Brokenstar, Darktail, Tigerstar, Scourge, etc all couldn't work with each other well imo (Brokenstar only worked ok with Tigerstar in TPB imo cuz he was blind).
I think a great combo would be Ashfur and Breezepelt if you want to count Breezepelt as a potential villain. Ashfur whispering in his ears and corrupting him/providing some powers would seem incredibly deadly. Even without the Imposter form, Ashfur has enough drama and vendetta against Squirrelflight/Leafpool's family that he could probably push Breezepelt to do damage on certain cats. I'm still pretty sure Ashfur came up with that assassinate Firestar idea with Hawkfrost which would've work perfectly if it weren't for Hawkfrost trying to get Bramblestar to finish the job.
If we aren't including Breezepelt, I think Sol and Hawkfrost could make a good pair. Sol is good at manipulating others while Hawkfrost has an appearance of seeming he has things under control (while being quite oblivious). If Sol could corrupt/use (Hawkfrost probably has deeply buried daddy issues) Hawkfrost as sorta some vessel/symbol to achieve his plans by convincing others, then it'd work well. Only thing is Sol is so weak that if Hawkfrost ever changed his mind he could easily kill Sol.
In general, Hawkfrost would be good because he does make a good number 2. Could see Ashfur and Hawkfrost also as a good team. To provide muscle if Ashfur in normal body and to convince others if it's the Imposter. Hawkfrost has always been pretty good with manipulation (convincing Mudclaw on his dumb plans, his initial talks with Ivypool, helping Mothwing become Medicine cat, etc.)
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 23, 2021 12:31:31 GMT -5
Hawkfrost is the best to work with just about anyone because he has no ambition. He's not a fanatic like Darkstripe is, but he makes up for it by being much more competent than Darkstripe is. Hawkfrost doesn't betray others because without someone to give him orders, he is nothing. By the same token, Darkstripe is also really good and loyal, it's just that he's incompetent. I rank him above the other minions because even after his leader died, he was still loyal to his memory. He's got dedication and spirit if nothing else.
I think that Hollyleaf and Sol might get along well as an unconventional choice, but only at a very specific point in the timeline where Hollyleaf is desperately looking for approval from someone and Sol can provide that for her. Hollyleaf is pretty ferocious when she's properly motivated for glory and prestige and she and Sol are pretty similar about their importance on pomp and circumstance. They just have to find some way to syncretize their beliefs.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 23, 2021 12:52:35 GMT -5
As much as I dislike both characters, I feel like Ashfur and Mapleshade would be interesting together. They both had love-related motives, being obsessed with an ex-lover. They were both creepily obsessed with either Squirrelflight or Appledusk respectively to the point that theyโd harm both them and their families. With Ashfur attempting to kill Squirrelflightโs father and โher kitsโ as well as the possessing Bramblestar thing and Mapleshade accidentally killing Appledusk and attempting to kill Reedshine, plus cursing his bloodline. I believe their bitterness together would make a duo Iโd love to hate. As much as I hate the authors throwing Mapleshade where she doesnโt need to be, Iโd love the idea of Mapleshade being somehow behind Ashfur possessing Bramblestar, especially since Bramble is Oakstarโs great grandson.
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Post by cable on Mar 23, 2021 13:05:34 GMT -5
i personally think darktail would be too arrogant to work on equal footing with somebody else. vectoring is right, hawkfrost is the premier lackey here. while darkstripe is dedicated, hawkfrost gets way more done. if tigerstar had hawkfrost while he was alive, things mightve gone better for him, especially with hawkfrost being way more bold than darkstripe.
sol and hawkfrost might be interesting, the schemer with muscle to back him up.
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Post by MadameDelune on Mar 23, 2021 14:08:08 GMT -5
Rainflower and Thistleclaw would be pretty good <3
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 23, 2021 14:19:15 GMT -5
I was also hoping you meant romantic villain pairs but that's on me. I'm still convinced that Hawkfrost and Ashfur had something going on and they did work together in canon to lure Firestar into the fox trap which ended up taking one of his lives away. wasnt ashfur fully betraying hawkfrost?
hawkfrost wanted brambleclaw to become bramblestar at first
and yet ashfur lured squirrelflight to the scene with the intent on her seeing her mate kill her dad
if that had happened no way would brambleclaw been made leader
and leopardstar would likely have been told her warrior killed the leader thus thunderclan would have demanded his head or war
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2021 14:24:14 GMT -5
Sol and probably any brute villain. While I do think his tactics deserve more credit than he gets, he definitely would have been a more convincing villain had he had more of an intimidating force under control. He needed more brawn to balance out his brains. It just so happened to be that at the time the only one he could convince was Blackstar, and all Blackstar did was sit around and do nothing.
He could have tried to get Onestar under his reigns, but even then there was only so far Onestar would go realistically in terms of a threat. While incredibly aggravating he was also immensely pathetic. There was really no one in the clans at the time willing to do any serious damage- and ironically Blackstar seemed to become even less dangerous as he lost his faith in StarClan, the warrior code, and clan life in general.
Had Hawkfrost still been alive or he'd gotten ahold of Breezepelt he might have had better luck.
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Post by ๐ฑ๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐๐ on Mar 23, 2021 14:29:57 GMT -5
I was also hoping you meant romantic villain pairs but that's on me. I'm still convinced that Hawkfrost and Ashfur had something going on and they did work together in canon to lure Firestar into the fox trap which ended up taking one of his lives away. wasnt ashfur fully betraying hawkfrost?
hawkfrost wanted brambleclaw to become bramblestar at first
and yet ashfur lured squirrelflight to the scene with the intent on her seeing her mate kill her dad
if that had happened no way would brambleclaw been made leader
and leopardstar would likely have been told her warrior killed the leader thus thunderclan would have demanded his head or war
That doesn't change the fact that they worked together at least that one time. Also, who's to say that Ashfur wouldn't have continued to scheme with Hawkfrost after Firestar had been disposed off? Granted, there a lot of different possibilities on how the situation could have developed further but we will never find out because those are only fanon speculations.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 23, 2021 20:42:24 GMT -5
wasnt ashfur fully betraying hawkfrost?
hawkfrost wanted brambleclaw to become bramblestar at first
and yet ashfur lured squirrelflight to the scene with the intent on her seeing her mate kill her dad
if that had happened no way would brambleclaw been made leader
and leopardstar would likely have been told her warrior killed the leader thus thunderclan would have demanded his head or war
That doesn't change the fact that they worked together at least that one time. Also, who's to say that Ashfur wouldn't have continued to scheme with Hawkfrost after Firestar had been disposed off? Granted, there a lot of different possibilities on how the situation could have developed further but we will never find out because those are only fanon speculations. idk if hawkfrost would wanna work with ashfur after having betrayed by them but hey! hawkfrost is double dead so we'll never fully know xD
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 23, 2021 21:30:58 GMT -5
wasnt ashfur fully betraying hawkfrost?
hawkfrost wanted brambleclaw to become bramblestar at first
and yet ashfur lured squirrelflight to the scene with the intent on her seeing her mate kill her dad
if that had happened no way would brambleclaw been made leader
and leopardstar would likely have been told her warrior killed the leader thus thunderclan would have demanded his head or war
Nope. Ashfur had fear-scent, which canโt be feigned. Ashfur genuinely chickened out and ran to get Squirrelflight to save Firestar could be fear scent of him being anxious/nervous about betraying his leader in general
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 23, 2021 21:47:24 GMT -5
wasnt ashfur fully betraying hawkfrost?
hawkfrost wanted brambleclaw to become bramblestar at first
and yet ashfur lured squirrelflight to the scene with the intent on her seeing her mate kill her dad
if that had happened no way would brambleclaw been made leader
and leopardstar would likely have been told her warrior killed the leader thus thunderclan would have demanded his head or war
Nope. Ashfur had fear-scent, which canโt be feigned. Ashfur genuinely chickened out and ran to get Squirrelflight to save Firestar Fear scent doesn't actually mean fear. Fear scent in animals just means agitation and anxiety. That's why hyenas laugh both as they're being chased by lions and also as they're circling a lion in a huge horde, because it's just an elevated state of mind.
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Post by ๐ฅFirestar๐ฅ on Mar 24, 2021 12:42:41 GMT -5
Hawkfrost and Sol, the muscle and the manipulator working together could probably make them really strong.
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