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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 18, 2021 7:10:56 GMT -5
Are there any cats in Warriors you want to like but can't?
For me, I want to like Jagged Peak, for he has an interesting arc, overcame his disability by coping with it, and became a tougher cat with a decent family, but I don't like his attitude (especially towards Gray Wing and Thunder in A Forest Divided) and found it hard to like him. So, I can respect Jagged Peak, but I just can't bring myself to like his character.
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Post by Rainsplash on Mar 18, 2021 7:50:32 GMT -5
Um, Hollyleaf, Jagged Peak, Jayfeather, DoveIvy, etc. etc. I can't love Cinderpelt, either.
Edit: Pebble Heart, Fernsong, Hollytuft, Needletail, Violetshine, River Ripple, Storm, and Bramblestar.
Pebble Heart's boring, and Fernsong as well, with Hollytuft. Needletail, I want to understand her complex character, but I dunno, I just want to throw the book away whenever I see her name, and Violetshine just... no. I've never liked mysterious, lazy, prophetic characters, so no with River Ripple, and the cliche character Storm is is very bothering. Bramblestar ughhh. And Squirrelflight's getting off my like list.
Edit: Again. The newer characters, like Sparkpelt, Bristlefrost, Shadowsight, Rootspring, blahblahblah. I don't know about Rootspring, he sounds decent, but I just... I'm so sorry, I don't handle myself well with these characters. Is it just me, or are they getting less likable? Sparkpelt is annoying and her name is ridiculous, what an idiot you are Bramblestar, and why on earth have SkyClan ShadowClan ThunderClan RiverClan WindClan cats have increased so suddenly with a bunch that I don't want to know about?
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Post by Fireleap on Mar 18, 2021 8:48:06 GMT -5
Dovewing and Twigbranch.
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Post by Seven on Mar 18, 2021 8:54:39 GMT -5
I agree with you on Jagged Peak Mothwing, Twigbranch, Tigerheartstar, Hawkwing I dont necessarily dislike them, just find them boring
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Post by Snowfire on Mar 18, 2021 8:55:23 GMT -5
Bramblestar
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Post by finland on Mar 18, 2021 9:03:58 GMT -5
Reedwhisker. I don't even know why I don't like him and I feel bad about it.
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 18, 2021 10:17:20 GMT -5
Tigerstar II.
I just cannot stand him even though he is a decent enough leader in the TBC arc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 10:35:10 GMT -5
Squirrelflight. I respect her as a character I just can't get myself to like her.
I'm glad she's complex and developed but I wouldn't get along with her at all irl.
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Post by Mothdapple on Mar 18, 2021 10:39:12 GMT -5
Mapleshade. I’ve tried, but I just can’t. I can’t stand her.
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Post by Rainfire on Mar 18, 2021 11:04:20 GMT -5
Dustpelt. I could just never bring myself to care about him ;.;
Also wish that I could at least be neutral on Bumblestripe since he's essentially just another background character now, but nope, I'm that salty lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 11:15:20 GMT -5
Hollyleaf
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Mar 18, 2021 11:22:13 GMT -5
For some reason i just can't like Nightcloud.
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Post by cable on Mar 18, 2021 13:03:53 GMT -5
leafpool. on paper, shes very interesting, but i just... feel nothing.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Mar 18, 2021 13:09:49 GMT -5
Squirrelflight and Bramblestar
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 18, 2021 13:58:26 GMT -5
Fernsong - Look, I appreciate the concept of a nursery dad, and if we saw him do this then I'd like him more. But we never see it, and honestly I think outside of being a nice enough guy he has very little personality. I'm also still annoyed at how he was auto-assigned to be Ivypool's mate, because we can't have a former protagonist she-cat with no mate or kits, now can we? /s
Mistystar - She's got a really interesting concept, but I don't enjoy her as a character. She was fine as Mistyfoot, but as Mistystar I think she's just Bluestar-lite without any of the qualities that made Bluestar so interesting.
Twigbranch - I understand why she had difficulty mentoring Flypaw, but as someone with ADHD who related to the latter it definitely hurt my enjoyment of Twig. I still think she deserves better than Finleap, though.
Thriftear - I have an irrational vendetta against this cat and I'm not sure why. I love her siblings, but her? Something about her seriously annoys me (and no, it's not her name). The fact that I can't identify what makes me dislike her just makes me dislike her even more.
Honourable mention: Lionblaze. I don't like him, but I don't want to like him. So I guess he doesn't qualify, lmao.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Mar 18, 2021 14:44:25 GMT -5
Shadowsight, Big time. As a disabled person myself (cerebral palsy, a physical disability that has me using a walker), I usually like it when disabled characters are in the spotlight. But I just can’t stand him or how he is portrayed. It’s like his seizures and special powers are really the only thing that’s focused on and nothing else. Plus the fact that his disability gives him special powers is frustrating because well it’s not offensive or anything to me, it’s just overused way too much. And even in areas where it would be appropriate, in real life, things like that are much more subtle A lot of times instead of being shoved into everyone’s faces and blatantly obvious. So if A protagonist is to have some sort of advantage because of their disability, I would like it to be something more subtle, but it’s not. It’s really frustrating, because I would like to see a disabled protagonist in the spotlight and that becomes really good at without some sort of special power or being a chosen one. But to my knowledge, there hasn’t been a character like that since Crookedstar, and even he was guided by Mapleshade (even if the latter didn’t have good intentions). I get that these are feral cats and you can’t hold them to the same standards as humans, but how disability is treated it’s just annoying sometimes, it’s starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Briarlight is another huge one, and I actually did find it offensive. I liked her personality, but hated how her character and disability was handled. She is supposed to be inspirational and her disability is given a lot of focus, but in reality, someone like that isn’t inspirational. It’s because what makes A person with a disability inspirational is what I can do despite it. In Briarlight’s case, her disability hurt her pretty badly, and she couldn’t really do much of anything even though she tried. So it’s not inspirational at all compared to characters like Jayfeather, Crookedstar, and Cinderpelt Who were able to live full lives and contribute a lot. Yet the idea that they are inspirations is never brought up, even though it is for Briarlight. Instead, it’s just sad watching a character slowly suffer (and send the wrong message about disabilities on top of it), even if she does try to be happy go lucky and as useful as she can. It gets even worse if you read up about the actual problem Briarlight has and the prognosis in real life. It’s a lot worse than the books for portray, and keeping her alive for so long almost seems cruel. I get the idea that the authors didn’t want to kill her off because one of their friends had recently gotten paralyzed, but if it’s that much of an emotional issue, why even bother paralyzing her in the first place? When she finally went to Starclan, I felt relieved she wouldn’t suffer anymore...
As for other, lesser examples...
Alderheart- I thought the idea of him being Bramblestar and Squirrelflight’s son was cool at first, and then he just turned into a generic character whose nervousness suddenly disappears with no explanation. Not to mention the generic plot of him not being good as a warrior, so he just got shoved into the medicine den. And with him being neglected in his own arc in favor of Twigbranch, Violetshine, SkyClan, and Darktail was just frustrating (even though I did like SkyClan coming back).
Bluestar- I liked her at first, but then I hated her dementia that seem to come about for no reason. I know her Super Edition to explain things a bit more, but by then it’s too late and it just feels forced.
Tree- His coming to the Clans just feels awkward, especially since the authors made up a role just for him. And it seems like a rather useless role, because the cats hardly ever negotiate anything... he just seems to be set up to give Rootspring powers, and Violetshine a love interest (as well as occasionally move the plot with own powers). I love his backstory, but his role and character just feels like it doesn’t fit.
Daisy- same problem with her too, to be honest. Clovertail and Ferncloud at least had training in fighting and other survival skills, but Daisy doesn’t even have much of that. And if Clovertail could learn even if she wasn’t good at either, why couldn’t Daisy? The whole idea is that if you join the clan you must at least know basic survival skills and be able to use them if necessary in order to contribute, but Daisy doesn’t have that despite being able bodied (I don’t consider Purdy able-bodied because he was an elder when he joined and he spent a long time living on his own anyway). It looks like a warrior choice will spend some time going over her character and motivations, but it feels like something like that should’ve been done much earlier, and her character still feels awkward. I like the novelty of her coming from somewhere else and trying to find her place within the clan, but at the same time, I feel like she should’ve at least done something like basic training before she found that place as a permanent queen (and depending on how her novella goes, she might not even have that).
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 18, 2021 16:36:25 GMT -5
It’s really frustrating, because I would like to see a disabled protagonist in the spotlight and that becomes really good at without some sort of special power or being a chosen one. But to my knowledge, there hasn’t been a character like that since Crookedstar, and even he was guided by Mapleshade (even if the latter didn’t have good intentions). I get that these are feral cats and you can’t hold them to the same standards as humans, but how disability is treated it’s just annoying sometimes, it’s starting to leave a bad taste in my mouth. Unfortunately he's not a main character, but Deadfoot had a physical disability and became deputy through his own prowess as a warrior. I'd love a Deadfoot novella for that reason. As for cats who have subtle advantages due to their disabilities, one example I know of is Pink Eyes from DOTC, who has albinism and is legally blind. He doesn't participate in battles (also due to his old age and not just his disability), but he's noted to be an incredible scent tracker and has excellent hearing to compensate for his poor vision. Even Clear Sky, the biggest jerk around, recognizes his competence and is upset when Pink Eyes leaves to join ThunderClan. I do understand your frustration, though. I love the two characters I mentioned, but neither are protagonists (or even deuteragonists). Hopefully the next arc will be better with disabled representation.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Mar 18, 2021 17:06:23 GMT -5
Cinderpelt. Her story is interesting and she is cool on paper but I can't bring myself to feel real feelings about her. Snowkit and Gorsepaw's stories are sad but they're so irrelevant that I can't bring myself to care about them outside of "RIP."
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 18:10:50 GMT -5
I don't hate them or anything but I really don't get the hype for Deadfoot, Stonefur, Honeyfern and Swiftpaw. Especially Swiftpaw, what did he even do other than die? ETA: I agree with fangbranch, Pebble Heart is stupidly dull and was always shoved into the forefront which made him worse to me.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Mar 18, 2021 18:21:33 GMT -5
Lionblaze.
Yes he can be a good cat, but when it comes down to it, I can only see him as a feather-brained big beefy chad who acts like an irl equivalent of a drunk guy wanting to fight everyone in a bar because he thinks he's invincible.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 18, 2021 19:24:36 GMT -5
Dovewing, Violetshine, Mothwing, and Bristlefrost.
I can TOLERATE Dovewing and Violetshine but Mothwing annoys me with how much spotlight she gets and I just irrationally hate Bristlefrost with every fiber of my being. Something about her irritates the hell out of me
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 18, 2021 19:29:45 GMT -5
jayfeather tbh
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Post by ravenmoon on Mar 19, 2021 4:31:26 GMT -5
Dovewing, Fernsong, Sandstorm and Hollyleaf
Dovewing: I've ALWAYS disliked her. She gives me mary sue vibes and was literally so annoying for no reason. After leaving the fandom and coming back in 2020 I ended up rereading most of the series and my opinions on a couple of cats changed (either for worse for better but mainly better) I tired. TRIED to like Dovewing but I just can't do it man lol. She is still very annoying and her romance with Tiger and Bumble were both stupid and terrible. I do like that they made her go to Shadowclan, she was pretty much useless in Thunderclan without her power
Fernsong: This is def an unpopular opinion lol but I don't like him. His entire personality is just "I'm Ivypool's soft uwu mate who is a den dad" and it annoys me. Don't get me wrong I LOVE that Warriors is starting to "break" gender norms by having dads be involved and all that cool jazz but they executed it so poorly, it's like they forgot about it. I'd actually maybe like him if they gave him a personality aside from "I'm Ivy's softie mate who wants kittens!" I don't like him with Ivypool either. Call me biased or say I only hate it bc I love Blossom/Ivy but I knew that Erins wouldn't add BlossomIvy in so I wasn't rooting for it all (I was rooting for Blossom/Mouse actually! lol) I just really wish they would've kept Ivypool single or at least had her be mates with Fernsong without havnig kits because not every single she-cat NEEDS a mate or kits.
Sandstorm: She annoys me so much in the first arc. I wasn't a fan of her "redemption" and she still irks me esp how she treats the Squirrelflight/Ashfur/Brambleclaw dispute in the 2nd arc
Hollyleaf: I've always hated her and I don't think I'll ever like her lol. She's a massive hypocrite, annoying and I just cannot tolerate her at all
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 19, 2021 5:21:00 GMT -5
Blossomfall: Well, she bullied Ivypool then was only nice to her when it was convenient, so their relationship makes me gag. However, when it comes to her relationship with her mother, I always tend to side with Blossomfall, but at the end of the day I still don't like no care for her, even if I do feel bad for her. Briarlight: Another of the 3B's, whom I didn't care for either, I think out of all of the disabled representation in the story, she felt the weakest to me? I'm not sure why...but as a disabled person myself, I just couldn't really come to like her even if I wanted to like her. Poppyfrost: I found her to be a plain jane, and kinda unlikable even though she's one of the more longer-running characters that people seem fond of. But...I just can't come to like her. Ferncloud: Same reason as Poppyfrost tbh, minus the whole "getting with my dead sister's crush" scenario. Dovewing: She felt like an incredible waste of potential and that irritates me a lot, especially because I initially liked her concept, so now I can't come to like her. Hollyleaf: A character that's very complicated but she had only one spur of the moment where I found her interesting, before and after that said moment she was either boring or unnecessary and I can't come to like her for that. Sandstorm: I liked her more as an elder, and unfortunately her treatment of Firestar when she was introduced stayed with me, even when I reread the series. I found it hard for me to like her in general, so I can't come to it.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 19, 2021 5:22:14 GMT -5
Some of these I'm more neutral on, but Jagged Peak, Holly, Thunder, Graystripe, Brightheart, Bramblestar, Blossomfall, Bumblestripe, Ivypool, and Twigbranch come to mind.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 19, 2021 5:34:13 GMT -5
Daisy- same problem with her too, to be honest. Clovertail and Ferncloud at least had training in fighting and other survival skills, but Daisy doesn’t even have much of that. And if Clovertail could learn even if she wasn’t good at either, why couldn’t Daisy? Daisy actually did learn to fight, though, she just wasn't very successful. It was part of the reason why she spent so much time with Cloudtail in the first place, and even when she wants to give up, she doesn't. And in TLH, she's even mentioned to be fighting against the Dark Forest, literally slamming one of them to the ground.
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Post by halogen on Mar 19, 2021 9:44:15 GMT -5
Briarlight is another huge one, and I actually did find it offensive. I liked her personality, but hated how her character and disability was handled. She is supposed to be inspirational and her disability is given a lot of focus, but in reality, someone like that isn’t inspirational. It’s because what makes A person with a disability inspirational is what I can do despite it. In Briarlight’s case, her disability hurt her pretty badly, and she couldn’t really do much of anything even though she tried. So it’s not inspirational at all compared to characters like Jayfeather, Crookedstar, and Cinderpelt Who were able to live full lives and contribute a lot. Yet the idea that they are inspirations is never brought up, even though it is for Briarlight. Instead, it’s just sad watching a character slowly suffer (and send the wrong message about disabilities on top of it), even if she does try to be happy go lucky and as useful as she can. It gets even worse if you read up about the actual problem Briarlight has and the prognosis in real life. It’s a lot worse than the books for portray, and keeping her alive for so long almost seems cruel. I get the idea that the authors didn’t want to kill her off because one of their friends had recently gotten paralyzed, but if it’s that much of an emotional issue, why even bother paralyzing her in the first place? When she finally went to Starclan, I felt relieved she wouldn’t suffer anymore... How is her disability worse than it is portrayed in the series? I don't know much about this topic and I'm genuinely curious, though from what I've read from fans criticizing the series' disabled representation, cats who are paralyzed are able to get around better than the series portrays it (like people have posted videos of them running around pretty nimbly).
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Mar 19, 2021 11:11:23 GMT -5
Like others have said, Bristlefrost, too. I just don't care for her character and chapters, she's just so boring. When i read about her i feel absolutely nothing.
And also, Thriftear. I tried to like her but she's really annoying. I like sassy characters, but she just irritates me a lot.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Mar 19, 2021 11:27:17 GMT -5
Briarlight is another huge one, and I actually did find it offensive. I liked her personality, but hated how her character and disability was handled. She is supposed to be inspirational and her disability is given a lot of focus, but in reality, someone like that isn’t inspirational. It’s because what makes A person with a disability inspirational is what I can do despite it. In Briarlight’s case, her disability hurt her pretty badly, and she couldn’t really do much of anything even though she tried. So it’s not inspirational at all compared to characters like Jayfeather, Crookedstar, and Cinderpelt Who were able to live full lives and contribute a lot. Yet the idea that they are inspirations is never brought up, even though it is for Briarlight. Instead, it’s just sad watching a character slowly suffer (and send the wrong message about disabilities on top of it), even if she does try to be happy go lucky and as useful as she can. It gets even worse if you read up about the actual problem Briarlight has and the prognosis in real life. It’s a lot worse than the books for portray, and keeping her alive for so long almost seems cruel. I get the idea that the authors didn’t want to kill her off because one of their friends had recently gotten paralyzed, but if it’s that much of an emotional issue, why even bother paralyzing her in the first place? When she finally went to Starclan, I felt relieved she wouldn’t suffer anymore... How is her disability worse than it is portrayed in the series? I don't know much about this topic and I'm genuinely curious, though from what I've read from fans criticizing the series' disabled representation, cats who are paralyzed are able to get around better than the series portrays it (like people have posted videos of them running around pretty nimbly). There is an essay called the truth about briarlight that explains it. It’s not so much the paralysis as it is where are the injury occurred (The spinal cord) and the fact that the cats don’t have access to many treatments for it. As a result, things like sores, being unable to control bodily functions, internal organs at risk of issues (I believe one of them was infection, organs rotting, or otherwise some sort of atrophy, but I don’t remember the specifics; it did explain that the issues with them would just get worse and worse), breathing problems to the point where she would just be drowning in fluid if she didn’t get something like pneumonia, and even dystentry (i’m probably not spelling it right; it’s the disease characters can die from in the Oregon Trail games). According to the essay, the prognosis for cats with that damage from The type of injury Briarlight has is so bad that a lot of them are just euthanized right away. The essay pointed out that well it makes sense for a human to survive and live a quality life thanks to treatments that are available, it doesn’t make sense for a feral cat and if the series were more realistic, Briarlight would have no quality of life at all, and the author theorized that one point she might’ve even asked to be mercy killed or should have. But of course the series glosses over all of that. It’s just another example of the characters being human is a bit too much, and probably not a lot of research done. I can’t find the essay now anymore, but maybe you would be able to find it in an archive of some sort (it was posted on the Warriors wiki as a discussion thread). It was very interesting, but also very sad. EDIT: I found the post. It is under Blogclan and a different name now, but it is the same. This post sums up the issues I have with the character from someone that also liked the character but didn’t like how the disability was handled. Unfortunately, the comments that one into a bit more detail The problem with humans being treated versus feral cats and a bit more insight on how Millie reacted to the whole thing are gone, but the original article is still there. It can be read here: blogclan.katecary.co.uk/2016/10/26/anatomy-medicine-mercy-and-spines-oh-my-by-cloudwhisper/comment-page-1/Edit 2: it looks like this article may be a different one than the one I was mentioning, because it is shorter and lacks things such as Jayfeather’s lack of resources, but it still has many of the same points, and still comes to the same conclusion.
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