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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 21:06:21 GMT -5
There was already a 'characters who deserved better' thread but how about the opposite? (Please don't spam Ashfur as that is the obvious answer >-<) I'd say Slash. He just vanishes at the end, talk about anti-climactic.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 2, 2021 21:11:09 GMT -5
Ashfur Definitely Slash and his gang. Sol too, probably.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 21:13:09 GMT -5
Ashfur Definitely Slash and his gang. Sol too, probably.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 21:18:17 GMT -5
Definitely Slash. Also I'm absolutely biased but i feel like a lot of the characters who MADE the more annoying warrior code rules deserve to get trashed on a little more, just for funsies
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 21:38:57 GMT -5
Tbh there aren't a ton of terrible at worst, crappy at best characters that didn't get a good dose of karma in the series. Raggedstar got killed by the monster he helped create, so did Onestar in a way, Mapleshade meeting the fate she gave so many other cats before her, Russetfur unintentionally killed trying to kill someone, Clawface got killed raiding ThunderClan for like the 5th time or somethin, among others.
But I guess one exception in my opinion would be Leopardstar. She got away with a lot, compared to a lot of the war criminals during Tiger1's reign, and while Firestar was completely justified in calling out Blackstar for killing Stonefur, I'm still shocked he didn't also poke Leopardstar and ask her if Stormpaw and Featherpaw would be safe in RiverClan >.> She purposely joining TigerClan and helping enact his destruction of the warrior code in so many ways in the process just because of a crush- and later stubbornness to admit she was wrong. And in the end even most of the clan seemed to forget about it except for Misty, Storm, and Feather of course (though we'll have to read her SE to see most of her clan's true reactions, as we can just go off of what they do vaguely a bit after).
Like I know realistically there was nothing that could be done about what she did- heck they couldn't do much about Blackstar- but I still wish a bit more shade was thrown at her every now and then, especially since she never publicly apologized.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 2, 2021 21:44:29 GMT -5
Slash. I was hoping that he get offed like One-Eye, it'd at least make up for his existance to see everyone pile onto him again. But nope he just... bolts it and is gone? And we never even learn what happens to him in the books that take place after DoTC either so it's just... bLEH.
Also Sleekwhisker is the same case. She outta die so that we can finally have that loose end closed for good.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Mar 2, 2021 21:44:50 GMT -5
darkstripe dude pretty much never suffered until graystripe killed him
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Post by Snowfire on Mar 2, 2021 22:10:58 GMT -5
Definitely Slash, Sol, and Sleekwhisker, we never really get any closure to their character arcs and I'm sure we would like to see one.
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Post by cable on Mar 2, 2021 23:18:01 GMT -5
tom and rainflower tbh
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2021 23:25:37 GMT -5
The dog should have chewed Rainflower up just a little bit
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Post by Rainsplash on Mar 3, 2021 0:43:18 GMT -5
Rainflower, Not Palebird I'm sorry but I'm ANGRY at her Ashfur, Slash, what happened to him, nothing. Sol and Sleekwhisker got away. Moth Flight's rule should be look upon again and she should get spammed with messages: "UGH Moth Flight" "Go away". Clear Sky was just annoying.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Mar 3, 2021 7:01:14 GMT -5
Tom. He's walking a kittypet sky after death so gentler kittypets can teach him to be kinder, when I think his actions deserve the Dark Forest.
Lizardstripe. I understand she didn't want kits, but to nip Brokenkit and deprive him of milk...
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Post by 𝕱𝖑𝖚𝖙𝖙𝖊𝖗𝖋𝖆𝖑𝖑 on Mar 3, 2021 13:16:23 GMT -5
Sleekwhisker deserves some deadly closure.
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Post by aether on Mar 3, 2021 17:23:51 GMT -5
Clear Sky. I just finished DoTC and while I don't necessarily hate Clear Sky, I don't think he deserved to be a leader. I have no idea how he was one of the 'chosen' cats. I also don't like how the others forgive him so easily and after all he has done he gets the cushy life with his mates and kits whilst Gray Wing gets death. Clear Sky's character redemption was also poorly done since his redemption was just 'oh sowwy i sad and i wegret it :C looks i hav pwetty gf now. she hav my babis'. I don't know if I think Clear Sky should have died, I just think he deserved worse.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 3, 2021 18:09:28 GMT -5
Clear Sky. I just finished DoTC and while I don't necessarily hate Clear Sky, I don't think he deserved to be a leader. I have no idea how he was one of the 'chosen' cats. I also don't like how the others forgive him so easily and after all he has done he gets the cushy life with his mates and kits whilst Gray Wing gets death. Clear Sky's character redemption was also poorly done since his redemption was just 'oh sowwy i sad and i wegret it :C looks i hav pwetty gf now. she hav my babis'. I don't know if I think Clear Sky should have died, I just think he deserved worse. Besides Gray Wing (because it's Gray Wing), I wouldn't even say he was forgiven easily, it's just that he's more tolerated now because what else can they do and it's clear (no pun intended) that he's going to be haunted by the error of his ways for the rest of his life.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Mar 3, 2021 18:16:46 GMT -5
I k i n d of want Needletail to suffer a teensy bit more so she can figure out what a bad friend she was to Violetshine.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 3, 2021 18:33:31 GMT -5
I k i n d of want Needletail to suffer a teensy bit more so she can figure out what a bad friend she was to Violetshine. Considering she blamed herself for what happened and told Violetpaw not to take risks for her, she kind of already did depending on how you read the scene. If anything, I think it'd be Violetshine who didn't realize how bad Needletail actually was (though I think LS implied her feelings have become complicated since then).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 19:06:08 GMT -5
I’d say sleekwhisker and clearsky.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2021 19:07:54 GMT -5
I k i n d of want Needletail to suffer a teensy bit more so she can figure out what a bad friend she was to Violetshine. Considering she blamed herself for what happened and told Violetpaw not to take risks for her, she kind of already did depending on how you read the scene. If anything, I think it'd be Violetshine who didn't realize how bad Needletail actually was (though I think LS implied her feelings have become complicated since then). I love needletail, Since she died for violet shine. But I have to adimt she was a bad friend in the earlier part of AVOS
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 3, 2021 22:14:52 GMT -5
rainflower, clear sky & star flower, sleekwhisker, darkstripe, moonlight, tom (dotc)
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Mar 4, 2021 18:43:03 GMT -5
Star Flower.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Mar 4, 2021 20:17:08 GMT -5
Star Flower, definitely.
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Post by finland on Mar 17, 2021 7:46:48 GMT -5
Breezepelt
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2021 13:57:06 GMT -5
Lizardstripe
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 18, 2021 14:28:33 GMT -5
Thornclaw.
Let me explain. Basically every Dark Forest trainee in ThunderClan in OOTS was young and naive. Whether Birchfall fit that criteria is debatable, but at the very least he wasn't old enough to remember most of the cats who were training him.
Thornclaw, however, was a senior warrior at that point. He had no problem learning from Brokenstar, who kidnapped him as an infant; and Tigerstar, whose tyranny he was old enough to remember, and who was also indirectly responsible for both of his sisters' injuries. Either Thornclaw is incredibly dense, or he genuinely agreed with what he was being taught. I think he should have been held to a different standard than the other former trainees, even if he chose to be loyal to ThunderClan in the end.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Mar 18, 2021 16:18:03 GMT -5
Thornclaw. Let me explain. Basically every Dark Forest trainee in ThunderClan in OOTS was young and naive. Whether Birchfall fit that criteria is debatable, but at the very least he wasn't old enough to remember most of the cats who were training him. Thornclaw, however, was a senior warrior at that point. He had no problem learning from Brokenstar, who kidnapped him as an infant; and Tigerstar, whose tyranny he was old enough to remember, and who was also indirectly responsible for both of his sisters' injuries. Either Thornclaw is incredibly dense, or he genuinely agreed with what he was being taught. I think he should have been held to a different standard than the other former trainees, even if he chose to be loyal to ThunderClan in the end. ikr...it makes no sense why they chose him of all cats...birchfall was born well after the first arc, so he is a bit more excuseable...did the writers/editors just not bother to check this? and if they did check, why did they pick him? was he secretly evil this entire time and finally found an opportunity to talk to brokenstar and tigerstar I? it makes no sense.
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Post by cable on Mar 18, 2021 16:21:52 GMT -5
Thornclaw. Let me explain. Basically every Dark Forest trainee in ThunderClan in OOTS was young and naive. Whether Birchfall fit that criteria is debatable, but at the very least he wasn't old enough to remember most of the cats who were training him. Thornclaw, however, was a senior warrior at that point. He had no problem learning from Brokenstar, who kidnapped him as an infant; and Tigerstar, whose tyranny he was old enough to remember, and who was also indirectly responsible for both of his sisters' injuries. Either Thornclaw is incredibly dense, or he genuinely agreed with what he was being taught. I think he should have been held to a different standard than the other former trainees, even if he chose to be loyal to ThunderClan in the end. ikr...it makes no sense why they chose him of all cats...birchfall was born well after the first arc, so he is a bit more excuseable...did the writers/editors just not bother to check this? and if they did check, why did they pick him? was he secretly evil this entire time and finally found an opportunity to talk to brokenstar and tigerstar I? it makes no sense. arc 8 will reveal the true villain of all of warrior cats, darth thornclaw, who learned under his secret mentor tigerstar 1 and brokenstar. he was the one who secretly brought bloodclan together and manipulated scourge into killing tigerstar at fourtrees, and he wounded scourge so firestar could finish him off. thornclaw would later lure sharptooth to the mountains to get the prophecy cats killed, and he was the one who brought hawkfrost to the dark forest, and got him and mudclaw to begin the windclaw rebellion. after his plan using sol to destroy shadowclan failed, he would try again to bring the clans to turmoil by manipulating ashfur to kill the three, so that there would be nobody to prevent the dark forest invasion, but unfortunately, that failed too. the beaver plan was his most ambitious, and he got close with that, but alas... we know how the story goes. now he must bide his time until another opportunity arises.
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Post by tallshadowstar on Mar 18, 2021 16:57:59 GMT -5
ikr...it makes no sense why they chose him of all cats...birchfall was born well after the first arc, so he is a bit more excuseable...did the writers/editors just not bother to check this? and if they did check, why did they pick him? was he secretly evil this entire time and finally found an opportunity to talk to brokenstar and tigerstar I? it makes no sense. arc 8 will reveal the true villain of all of warrior cats, darth thornclaw, who learned under his secret mentor tigerstar 1 and brokenstar. he was the one who secretly brought bloodclan together and manipulated scourge into killing tigerstar at fourtrees, and he wounded scourge so firestar could finish him off. thornclaw would later lure sharptooth to the mountains to get the prophecy cats killed, and he was the one who brought hawkfrost to the dark forest, and got him and mudclaw to begin the windclaw rebellion. after his plan using sol to destroy shadowclan failed, he would try again to bring the clans to turmoil by manipulating ashfur to kill the three, so that there would be nobody to prevent the dark forest invasion, but unfortunately, that failed too. the beaver plan was his most ambitious, and he got close with that, but alas... we know how the story goes. now he must bide his time until another opportunity arises. "So, you agree to give me control of ThunderClan once Bramblestar is disposed of?" asks Darktail incredulously. "Surely you must want something in return. Name your terms." "Simple," Thornclaw meows. "I need you to pose as the leader of WindClan's illegitimate son. When you see him, tell him that your mother was a kittypet named Smoke." Darktail looks confused, but accepts the deal. As he leaves their meeting, a devious grin forms on Thornclaw's face. I knew that snooping around Twolegplace scent trails for intel would be useful someday, he thinks. This is what you get for harassing my patrols and crossing over my scent markers, Onestar. Your Clan will never respect you again, and you will die the death of an unmourned pariah.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Mar 18, 2021 17:03:44 GMT -5
arc 8 will reveal the true villain of all of warrior cats, darth thornclaw, who learned under his secret mentor tigerstar 1 and brokenstar. he was the one who secretly brought bloodclan together and manipulated scourge into killing tigerstar at fourtrees, and he wounded scourge so firestar could finish him off. thornclaw would later lure sharptooth to the mountains to get the prophecy cats killed, and he was the one who brought hawkfrost to the dark forest, and got him and mudclaw to begin the windclaw rebellion. after his plan using sol to destroy shadowclan failed, he would try again to bring the clans to turmoil by manipulating ashfur to kill the three, so that there would be nobody to prevent the dark forest invasion, but unfortunately, that failed too. the beaver plan was his most ambitious, and he got close with that, but alas... we know how the story goes. now he must bide his time until another opportunity arises. "So, you agree to give me control of ThunderClan once Bramblestar is disposed of?" asks Darktail incredulously. "Surely you must want something in return. Name your terms." "Simple," Thornclaw meows. "I need you to pose as the leader of WindClan's illegitimate son. When you see him, tell him that your mother was a kittypet named Smoke." Darktail looks confused, but accepts the deal. As he leaves their meeting, a devious grin forms on Thornclaw's face. I knew that snooping around Twolegplace scent trails for intel would be useful someday, he thinks. This is what you get for harassing my patrols and crossing over my scent markers, Onestar. Your Clan will never respect you again, and you will die the death of an unmourned pariah. He is no longer the Patrol Guy, he is the Patrol Avenger.
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