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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Feb 16, 2021 8:18:50 GMT -5
Who do you think is the strongest she-cat who could win in a physical fight?
The top five I can think of are Hollyleaf, Ivypool, Mapleshade, Yellowfang, and Bluestar.
Hollyleaf has chased off Hawkfrost and defeated Sol (granted, the latter is pretty weak)
Ivypool has trained in the Dark Forest and is known to be a vicious fighter in BRS.
Mapleshade has played dirty in killing three cats.
Yellowfang has killed Brokenstar twice and fought off Blackstar.
Bluestar seems like she's always been a strong and fearsome warrior, though this one I'm not as certain about.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 16, 2021 9:00:16 GMT -5
Every she cat of The Sisters.
If only they weren't so sexist.
Then I could actually enjoy their presence in the series.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 16, 2021 9:25:45 GMT -5
Every she cat of The Sisters. If only they weren't so sexist. Then I could actually enjoy their presence in the series. When three of them attacked two Shadowclan cats, the Shadowclan cats only ended up with a cut ear while one of the Sisters ended up mortally wounded. They're big and strong, but they don't seem to have actually practiced fighting much. They aren't fighters, and their policy of holding hostages from local cats suggests that they tend to maintain "peace" via intimidating and bullying nearby cats rather than actually fighting them claw to claw. They are not very good fighters outside of their size, and I do not think they'd perform well against a skilled opponent. Anyway, Hollyleaf is probably top dog as far as female fighters go. She was able to send Hawkfrost packing and weaken him heavily. She did suffer fatally in the process, but then Hawkfrost was also very strong and able to casually overpower Ivypool even after he had taken a beating. Ivypool, by the way, would be second place, for being able to fend off the DF cats pretty well sans Hawkfrost and generally being noted as powerful. As to the other cats in the OP, Yellowfang is definitely tough and tricky, but Mapleshade's only kills didn't really showcase any strength. One was a medicine cat, the other she just led into snakes, and the other threw himself in the path of one of her attacks. Bluestar got killed by rats and generally just tends to lose her fights, she didn't seem so strong either.
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 16, 2021 9:33:32 GMT -5
Every she cat of The Sisters. If only they weren't so sexist. Then I could actually enjoy their presence in the series. When three of them attacked two Shadowclan cats, the Shadowclan cats only ended up with a cut ear while one of the Sisters ended up mortally wounded. They're big and strong, but they don't seem to have actually practiced fighting much. They aren't fighters, and their policy of holding hostages from local cats suggests that they tend to maintain "peace" via intimidating and bullying nearby cats rather than actually fighting them claw to claw. They are not very good fighters outside of their size, and I do not think they'd perform well against a skilled opponent. Anyway, Hollyleaf is probably top dog as far as female fighters go. She was able to send Hawkfrost packing and weaken him heavily. She did suffer fatally in the process, but then Hawkfrost was also very strong and able to casually overpower Ivypool even after he had taken a beating. Ivypool, by the way, would be second place, for being able to fend off the DF cats pretty well sans Hawkfrost and generally being noted as powerful. As to the other cats in the OP, Yellowfang is definitely tough and tricky, but Mapleshade's only kills didn't really showcase any strength. One was a medicine cat, the other she just led into snakes, and the other threw himself in the path of one of her attacks. Bluestar got killed by rats and generally just tends to lose her fights, she didn't seem so strong either. I agree that they might not be as skilled at fighting but their body mass alone was enough to keep four Clans busy so they are definitely still strong in that regard.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2021 10:04:34 GMT -5
Every she cat of The Sisters. If only they weren't so sexist. Then I could actually enjoy their presence in the series. 🤔
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 16, 2021 11:00:49 GMT -5
Every she cat of The Sisters. If only they weren't so sexist. Then I could actually enjoy their presence in the series. 🤔 What exactly is this emoji supposed to convey?
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 16, 2021 11:10:51 GMT -5
When three of them attacked two Shadowclan cats, the Shadowclan cats only ended up with a cut ear while one of the Sisters ended up mortally wounded. They're big and strong, but they don't seem to have actually practiced fighting much. They aren't fighters, and their policy of holding hostages from local cats suggests that they tend to maintain "peace" via intimidating and bullying nearby cats rather than actually fighting them claw to claw. They are not very good fighters outside of their size, and I do not think they'd perform well against a skilled opponent. Anyway, Hollyleaf is probably top dog as far as female fighters go. She was able to send Hawkfrost packing and weaken him heavily. She did suffer fatally in the process, but then Hawkfrost was also very strong and able to casually overpower Ivypool even after he had taken a beating. Ivypool, by the way, would be second place, for being able to fend off the DF cats pretty well sans Hawkfrost and generally being noted as powerful. As to the other cats in the OP, Yellowfang is definitely tough and tricky, but Mapleshade's only kills didn't really showcase any strength. One was a medicine cat, the other she just led into snakes, and the other threw himself in the path of one of her attacks. Bluestar got killed by rats and generally just tends to lose her fights, she didn't seem so strong either. I agree that they might not be as skilled at fighting but their body mass alone was enough to keep four Clans busy so they are definitely still strong in that regard. Not really, the Sisters were losing that fight badly. They were only keeping the clans busy in so far as they didn't immediately fold, but the clans easily drove them however they pleased. All the clans joined in but it was pretty clearly more a case of trying to not look cowardly rather than out of necessity.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Feb 16, 2021 12:10:03 GMT -5
Hmm...so is it mostly agreed that Hollyleaf is the strongest she-cat who could win in a fight?
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Post by BҽɾɾყႦʅσσɱ on Feb 16, 2021 12:45:38 GMT -5
I agree that they might not be as skilled at fighting but their body mass alone was enough to keep four Clans busy so they are definitely still strong in that regard. Not really, the Sisters were losing that fight badly. They were only keeping the clans busy in so far as they didn't immediately fold, but the clans easily drove them however they pleased. All the clans joined in but it was pretty clearly more a case of trying to not look cowardly rather than out of necessity. I was under the impression that the way in which it took multiple Clan cats to take on one Sister meant that they were more sturdy than the average cat but that of course was a tactic The Sisters could never have been able to uphold for long. I'm still inclined to believe that they are somewhat impressive when it comes to their size however the lack of battle skills does make them just a bit stronger but not the strongest she-cat fighters. Hollyleaf truly deserves the honor of that title, followed by Ivypool.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Feb 16, 2021 16:22:13 GMT -5
I think Hollyleaf is the strongest she-cat fighter.
Also, I don't think Mapleshade was that strong.
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Post by wftl1980 on Feb 16, 2021 16:30:26 GMT -5
I’m surprised no one’s mentioned Tawnypelt. She’s got to be up there.
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Feb 16, 2021 18:10:44 GMT -5
I think Hollyleaf is the strongest she-cat fighter. Also, I don't think Mapleshade was that strong. Yeah, defining "strength" and "fighter" can be a little iffy. I was mostly referring to the fact that Mapleshade has murdered three cats by playing dirty and if fighting dishonorably could give her an advantage, that might make her more dangerous and a "better fighter." (Though, as aforementioned, "strength" and "fighter" are different things.)
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Feb 16, 2021 18:28:59 GMT -5
The sisters or Ivypool.
The sisters annoy me tbh
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 16, 2021 20:54:41 GMT -5
I think Hollyleaf is the strongest she-cat fighter. Also, I don't think Mapleshade was that strong. Yeah, defining "strength" and "fighter" can be a little iffy. I was mostly referring to the fact that Mapleshade has murdered three cats by playing dirty and if fighting dishonorably could give her an advantage, that might make her more dangerous and a "better fighter." (Though, as aforementioned, "strength" and "fighter" are different things.) It's all well and good to be a dirty fighter, but put the dirty street fighter up against some MMA champion and the street fighter is going to be on their butt. Dirty tricks only count for so much, and when you run out of them, you're doomed.
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Post by Sundance on Feb 16, 2021 21:01:25 GMT -5
This thread has made me realize how desperately the series needs a she-cat who is well-established as an apex fighter like Firestar, Tigerstar or Scourge. I can't think of a single she-cat who could rival them. Maybe a few who "eh, might be able to" but none where I'm like "they'd totally give Tigerstar a run for his money."
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 16, 2021 22:07:03 GMT -5
This thread has made me realize how desperately the series needs a she-cat who is well-established as an apex fighter like Firestar, Tigerstar or Scourge. I can't think of a single she-cat who could rival them. Maybe a few who "eh, might be able to" but none where I'm like "they'd totally give Tigerstar a run for his money." To be fair, the series hasn't had ANY such fighters since TPB. Firestar, Scourge, and Tigerstar are a class above everyone else. Hawkfrost is basically a tier below them, but then everyone else is who knows where. As well, the only two real notable fighters in Power of Three and OOTS without superpowers are both female, namely Hollyleaf and Ivypool. AVOS just straight up had no real great fighters, DOTC was set back when the clans were still basically just the Tribe and had all the clumsiness and inexperience to match, and TBC has them fighting a ghost where fighting skills are pointless(though Ashfur possessing Brambleclaw's body is VERY formidable). It's not so much a female character problem so much as it is that Firestar, Scourge, and Tigerstar are just heads and shoulders above everyone else and that the latest series don't have a good crop of fighters in general. On the other hand, if you look at the second stringer guys like Hawkfrost, then Hollyleaf was able to go toe to toe with him, for instance, so she's definitely up there.
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Post by The One and Only Moongaze on Feb 17, 2021 8:01:20 GMT -5
I think Hollyleaf is the strongest she-cat fighter. Also, I don't think Mapleshade was that strong. Didn't Mapleshade lose to an apprentice?
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Post by Twilight Sparkle on Feb 17, 2021 8:22:51 GMT -5
I think Hollyleaf is the strongest she-cat fighter. Also, I don't think Mapleshade was that strong. Didn't Mapleshade lose to an apprentice? Yes, Mapleshade was killed by Perchpaw. However, Perchpaw attacked her from behind while Mapleshade was busy killing Appledusk. It wasn't a fight between the two; it was just Perchpaw ambushing her while Mapleshade as occupied.
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 17, 2021 8:43:37 GMT -5
Speaking of female villains, for what little screentime she had, Fury seemed pretty tough. I'd say she's the strongest female villain, as Graystripe feared the idea of fighting her 1v1 and wasn't confident in his chances.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Feb 17, 2021 10:20:13 GMT -5
Ivypool is quite strong, but Hollyleaf is the top dog.
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Post by sylveon on Feb 17, 2021 12:52:44 GMT -5
While I 100% agree with Ivypool and Hollyleaf, I think we need to remember Brightheart, too. She isn't the most brutal fighter but considering she's missing an eye and ear she's a pretty formidable opponent. She defended the nursery in the great battle and fought in the battle of bloodclan.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Feb 17, 2021 12:58:50 GMT -5
While I 100% agree with Ivypool and Hollyleaf, I think we need to remember Brightheart, too. She isn't the most brutal fighter but considering she's missing an eye and ear she's a pretty formidable opponent. She defended the nursery in the great battle and fought in the battle of bloodclan. Yeah, didin't she fight like 3 cats at the same time in a skirmish against WindClan in Dark River? I think it was Whitetail, Breezepaw and Harepaw.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 17, 2021 13:40:20 GMT -5
While I 100% agree with Ivypool and Hollyleaf, I think we need to remember Brightheart, too. She isn't the most brutal fighter but considering she's missing an eye and ear she's a pretty formidable opponent. She defended the nursery in the great battle and fought in the battle of bloodclan. I think Daisy was pretty scary in that fight too. She was spoken about SLAMMING cats down. Big buff mom. As for others, Tawnypelt and Yellowfang definitely come to mind
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Post by Sundance on Feb 17, 2021 14:05:23 GMT -5
This thread has made me realize how desperately the series needs a she-cat who is well-established as an apex fighter like Firestar, Tigerstar or Scourge. I can't think of a single she-cat who could rival them. Maybe a few who "eh, might be able to" but none where I'm like "they'd totally give Tigerstar a run for his money." To be fair, the series hasn't had ANY such fighters since TPB. Firestar, Scourge, and Tigerstar are a class above everyone else. Hawkfrost is basically a tier below them, but then everyone else is who knows where. As well, the only two real notable fighters in Power of Three and OOTS without superpowers are both female, namely Hollyleaf and Ivypool. AVOS just straight up had no real great fighters, DOTC was set back when the clans were still basically just the Tribe and had all the clumsiness and inexperience to match, and TBC has them fighting a ghost where fighting skills are pointless(though Ashfur possessing Brambleclaw's body is VERY formidable). It's not so much a female character problem so much as it is that Firestar, Scourge, and Tigerstar are just heads and shoulders above everyone else and that the latest series don't have a good crop of fighters in general. On the other hand, if you look at the second stringer guys like Hawkfrost, then Hollyleaf was able to go toe to toe with him, for instance, so she's definitely up there. I’d disagree about there not being any top tier fighters past TPB; Lionblaze pummeled Tigerstar on screen, and I don’t remember it really being contributed to his powers. (Could be wrong there though.)
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Post by vectoring34 on Feb 17, 2021 14:15:49 GMT -5
To be fair, the series hasn't had ANY such fighters since TPB. Firestar, Scourge, and Tigerstar are a class above everyone else. Hawkfrost is basically a tier below them, but then everyone else is who knows where. As well, the only two real notable fighters in Power of Three and OOTS without superpowers are both female, namely Hollyleaf and Ivypool. AVOS just straight up had no real great fighters, DOTC was set back when the clans were still basically just the Tribe and had all the clumsiness and inexperience to match, and TBC has them fighting a ghost where fighting skills are pointless(though Ashfur possessing Brambleclaw's body is VERY formidable). It's not so much a female character problem so much as it is that Firestar, Scourge, and Tigerstar are just heads and shoulders above everyone else and that the latest series don't have a good crop of fighters in general. On the other hand, if you look at the second stringer guys like Hawkfrost, then Hollyleaf was able to go toe to toe with him, for instance, so she's definitely up there. I’d disagree about there not being any top tier fighters past TPB. Lionblaze pummeled Tigerstar on screen, and I don’t remember it really being contributed to his powers. (Could be wrong there though.) Lionblaze went from getting wrecked by Tigerstar in that fight while Tigerstar was toying with him, even when his mind cleared, to suddenly managing to pull one over on him. Lionblaze then attributes his victory to his power. It definitely feels like a power moment.
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