Ashfur's Death

The general consensus of TUG is that 'they done goofed'. A lot of information and profiles are inaccurate. Hollyleaf murdered Ashfur, and while I won't be writing any eulogies for Arsefur, murder is still murder. She treated him like prey rather than another cat, likely to desensitize herself to the killing.

The Ultimate Guide's telling of Ashfur's death is much more true to Hollyleaf's character, though. She's a cat that values the code dearly. I don't think she'd violate the one thing she cares most about to silence Ashfur, when she could have simply kept him subdued for the night of the gathering. I'm not going to say that it wasn't murder, but it puts the situation in a different light.

Idk, I think you can't really actually accidentally kill someone

The problem is that it conflicts the books- which not only had one account but 2 accounts of Hollyleaf purposely killing Ashfur. Jayfeather looks into her mind and sees her biting his neck, and THEN he falls into the river. Hollyleaf's memories also show that she purposely killed him.

So normally, if there was one account of Ashfur accidentally being killed, and one account of him purposly being killed, then yeah, I would wonder. But the number of accounts/statements from others and even hollyleaf herself greatly outnumber that one statement from TUG- and so it makes sense to believe the most common evidence.

Plus, Hollyleaf said this herself: "I killed a cat, remember? And not because I was being brave or noble. I killed Ashfur because I was angry that our birth had broken the warrior code! Ashfur died because I was so angry I stopped caring about what was right!"

^ "I stopped caring about what is right"- that means that she wasn't trying to be "right" or good at all in killing Ashfur. All she wanted was for him to suffer for what he had done.

So in the end, it doesn't matter which account is right. Bottom line is, she wasn't trying to be "right" or fair at all- and she says that clearly: that she was not trying to be brave, noble, or even decent. It was mad rage, and nothing less.

Yeah, and I do think the TUG statement has some truth to it, it's just a bit confused by the current character Hollyleaf is- because she changed a lot. In fact, it might have been confused with Bramblestar's statement, when he lied to the clan saying it was an accident, when Hollyleaf looked very uncomfortable and knew that it wasn't.

But then again, the term "accident" can be used as the word "mistake" too. Hollyleaf admitted killing Ashfur was a "mistake"- but not an accident- but I can see why some people would see those words as the same thing, as they can sometimes be used intermediately. 

And I think that, seeing as TUG was made after Hollyleaf returned and was all humble, guilty, and trying to change, they fed off of that atmosphere and put it into the story, not realizing that the actual story was when she was far from humble.

So I guess what I'm trying to say is the TUG account correctly portrays Hollyleaf at the end of her life, when she was back in ThunderClan, while the correct, original account was back when she was impulsive, easily angry, and stressed out by finding out her herritage.

So yeah, I do think you have a point- and that the TUG account fits the new Hollyleaf better- but it doesn't fit the old Hollyleaf at all, which was when the event actually happened...

if that makes sense XD 

But yeah, basically I disagree but agree that you have a point about the "new" Hollyleaf, and how it fits the TUG account better. (Gost my post's messy)