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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 30, 2020 20:59:31 GMT -5
bramblepaw was judged for just looking like tigerstar, and yet he didn't get so hurt as to join said evil father so he "wouldnt get bullied anymore." seriously, i hate tawnypelt, but her decision to move to shadowclan is the most stupid thing she's ever done. why did tawnypelt even think of leaving behind her loving, fragile hearted mother? leaving her brother who was suffering way worse judgement than she was? why? is she that sensitive to leave as soon as her feelings got hurt? didn't she know why people judged her and her brother? their dad was evil. yes, judging the kits for the sins of the father is obviously bad, but cats still did it...but more so to bramblepaw for simply looking like him (this mostly refers to fireheart since its his POV that we see how cats could be reacting to it too). people call her loyal, but as soon a shadowclan faces trouble, she runs to her brother in thunderclan...she is also loyal to a fault. rowanstar sucks and her defense of him makes her suck too. she got so defensive over valid criticism that she lashes out at her clanmate FIRST. yes, scorchfur went for her eyes, but it's honestly self desense at that point. remember, tawnypelt was saying way worse things about scorchfur than he was saying about stupid and horrible leader rowanstar... i dont get why people love tawnypelt for doing nothing. edit: this is a thread in response to Chicken 's own tawnypelt thread! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 21:05:59 GMT -5
It's not even known if Scorchfur went for her eyes, he hit her cheek, so he could have just been aiming for her face in general.
There's not really enough evidence to know, without actually seeing it from his perspective.
I mean, the whole thing is the perspective of Tawnypelt's worried son, so I think that might make things look worse than they are.
Did Scorchfur do bad? Of course, but Tawnypelt was worse.
She attacked him first, and I don't think many would just sit there and do nothing after someone hits them for the sole reason of them sharing their opinion.
It's good Tawnypelt was never leader, she would have been way too hot headed.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 30, 2020 21:07:51 GMT -5
It's not even known if Scorchfur went for her eyes, he hit her cheek, so he could have just been aiming for her face in general. There's not really enough evidence to know, without actually seeing it from his perspective. I mean, the whole thing is the perspective of Tawnypelt's worried son, so I think that might make things look worse than they are. Did Scorchfur do bad? Of course, but Tawnypelt was worse. She attacked him first, and I don't think many would just sit there and do nothing after someone hits them for the sole reason of them sharing their opinion. It's good Tawnypelt was never leader, she would have been way too hot headed. true. i had a refresh session on her wiki page for that statement about the eyes. scorchfur had valid criticism. rowanstar sucks...and tawnypelt's first reaction is to get violent because someone dares defy her opinions...? yikes. if tawnypelt ever got to be leader, shadowclan would fall apart because any little disagreement or criticism would make her a tyrant...and then she'd go running to her brother for help, making shadowclan "look weak." |
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Post by highprince on Nov 30, 2020 21:08:21 GMT -5
Well she was only an apprentice when she left, you can’t judge her for that /s
Turns out Tawnypelt’s behavior as a kid/teen is actually reflective of her flighty and impulsive behavior later in life. The fact that she ran away to join her evil, murderous father all because ThunderClan didn’t like her that much plays well with the fact that she goes running to ThunderClan whenever ShadowClan is trying to face a problem she doesn’t feel like fixing.
And nevermind the fact that she named her son, who is identical to Tigerclaw, after his horrible grandfather, making the choice to possibly subject him to the same exact judgments that she and Bramblestar faced in ThunderClan. Everyone loves a healthy dose of hypocrisy, right?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 21:09:21 GMT -5
It's not even known if Scorchfur went for her eyes, he hit her cheek, so he could have just been aiming for her face in general. There's not really enough evidence to know, without actually seeing it from his perspective. I mean, the whole thing is the perspective of Tawnypelt's worried son, so I think that might make things look worse than they are. Did Scorchfur do bad? Of course, but Tawnypelt was worse. She attacked him first, and I don't think many would just sit there and do nothing after someone hits them for the sole reason of them sharing their opinion. It's good Tawnypelt was never leader, she would have been way too hot headed. true. i had a refresh session on her wiki page for that statement about the eyes. scorchfur had valid criticism. rowanstar sucks...and tawnypelt's first reaction is to get violent because someone dares defy her opinions...? yikes. if tawnypelt ever got to be leader, shadowclan would fall apart because any little disagreement or criticism would make her a tyrant...and then she'd go running to her brother for help, making shadowclan "look weak." Yeah, and remember how she compared Tigerheart to Tigerclaw, just because he didn't want her taking his ill kit son to the mountains? |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 30, 2020 21:11:16 GMT -5
Chickenshe was off her rocker in her stupid novella. idk why anyone liked her or that novella...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 21:19:08 GMT -5
Chicken she was off her rocker in her stupid novella. idk why anyone liked her or that novella... I can't remember a single thing that happened in her novella other than that. But you know, it's still leagues better than Pebbleshine's Kits. |
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Post by fire on Nov 30, 2020 21:21:56 GMT -5
I don't know about the other stuff, but I will speak on the first subject.
Tawnypelt was being bullied and mocked as an apprentice for being Tigerstar's daughter, something she had no control over. This would make anyone angry and understandably so. What would a rational person do in this situation? Talk it out with the leader, or in this case (since Bluestar was crazy atm), their deputy, Fireheart? Maybe speak to the elders and others about why she's not just the offspring of a murderer but her own person who didn't ask to be born? No. Instead, she chose the "best" option, move to her goddamn murderous father's Clan.
What the hell? It makes no sense that she thought that the correct decision was to go to her father's Clan, which is confirming what the others were saying about her, leaving her family behind, and serving under him like she didn't know all the horrible stuff he'd done.
And then she said some BS line in The Darkest Hour after the final battle was won, talking about, "I can't be the best warrior I can be in ThunderClan, but I can in ShadowClan." (I quote that loosely.) How do you think you'll be better off in a Clan of cats that don't know shit about you, that you're an outsider to, instead of a Clan with your family that can help you get through the hard times until you decide to take action against the other cats' insults or just prove that you're not your father?
Makes no sense to me.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 30, 2020 21:29:55 GMT -5
I don't know about the other stuff, but I will speak on the first subject. Tawnypelt was being bullied and mocked as an apprentice for being Tigerstar's daughter, something she had no control over. This would make anyone angry and understandably so. What would a rational person do in this situation? Talk it out with the leader, or in this case (since Bluestar was crazy atm), their deputy, Fireheart? Maybe speak to the elders and others about why she's not just the offspring of a murderer but her own person who didn't ask to be born? No. Instead, she chose the "best" option, move to her goddamn murderous father's Clan. What the hell? It makes no sense that she thought that the correct decision was to go to her father's Clan, which is confirming what the others were saying about her, leaving her family behind, and serving under him like she didn't know all the horrible stuff he'd done. And then she said some BS line in The Darkest Hour after the final battle was won, talking about, "I can't be the best warrior I can be in ThunderClan, but I can in ShadowClan." (I quote that loosely.) How do you think you'll be better off in a Clan of cats that don't know shit about you, that you're an outsider to, instead of a Clan with your family that can help you get through the hard times until you decide to take action against the other cats' insults or just prove that you're not your father? Makes no sense to me. tawnypelt thinking she had it worse than her brother baffles me. bramblepaw was judged heavily by firestar for just LOOKING like his father, something even more so uncontrollable...i just dont get it. why decide to stay in shadowclan? the clan was in shambles after the tigerstar situation and she could have returned to thunderclan since bramblepaw is living proof of moving past being just tigerstar's kit...and since she stupidly decided to stay in shadowclan, she didn't get to see godlenflower's last moments (assuming i guess. i forgot what happened to her). then she goes and names her first son after her evil dad...if you ignore the context, it would just look like she agreed and sided with her father and loved him so much, she named one of her first borns after him... |
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Post by fire on Nov 30, 2020 21:39:37 GMT -5
I don't know about the other stuff, but I will speak on the first subject. Tawnypelt was being bullied and mocked as an apprentice for being Tigerstar's daughter, something she had no control over. This would make anyone angry and understandably so. What would a rational person do in this situation? Talk it out with the leader, or in this case (since Bluestar was crazy atm), their deputy, Fireheart? Maybe speak to the elders and others about why she's not just the offspring of a murderer but her own person who didn't ask to be born? No. Instead, she chose the "best" option, move to her goddamn murderous father's Clan. What the hell? It makes no sense that she thought that the correct decision was to go to her father's Clan, which is confirming what the others were saying about her, leaving her family behind, and serving under him like she didn't know all the horrible stuff he'd done. And then she said some BS line in The Darkest Hour after the final battle was won, talking about, "I can't be the best warrior I can be in ThunderClan, but I can in ShadowClan." (I quote that loosely.) How do you think you'll be better off in a Clan of cats that don't know shit about you, that you're an outsider to, instead of a Clan with your family that can help you get through the hard times until you decide to take action against the other cats' insults or just prove that you're not your father? Makes no sense to me. tawnypelt thinking she had it worse than her brother baffles me. bramblepaw was judged heavily by firestar for just LOOKING like his father, something even more so uncontrollable...i just dont get it. why decide to stay in shadowclan? the clan was in shambles after the tigerstar situation and she could have returned to thunderclan since bramblepaw is living proof of moving past being just tigerstar's kit...and since she stupidly decided to stay in shadowclan, she didn't get to see godlenflower's last moments (assuming i guess. i forgot what happened to her). then she goes and names her first son after her evil dad...if you ignore the context, it would just look like she agreed and sided with her father and loved him so much, she named one of her first borns after him... Facts. When reading TPB, Firestar's attention was always on Bramblepaw, Tawnypelt was hardly mentioned at all. But she up and leaves and stands by while her brother declares his loyalty to ThunderClan and not to his father. Maybe she stayed in ShadowClan because she thought if she helped out, it would make a name for her. Who knows? Her abandoning Goldenflower and Bramblepaw is stupid, and her naming her son after her father is even dumber. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 30, 2020 21:43:58 GMT -5
Fragile hearted? Goldenflower? Also, just saying, not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same things. Going to ShadowClan while Tigerstar was in power was stupid, sure, but on the other hand, why should she stay in a Clan that doesn't respect her? Never mind that she was also an apprentice at the time. Tyrant or not, it makes sense she would go to her father, especially since he was her only other kin at the time, and ShadowClan clearly respected him at the time as well.
Also, she went to ThunderClan because ShadowClan during the Sol incident had become a mess. What else was she supposed to do? Stay? Blackstar was adamant about his decision until he saw the fake sign. The only other time she directly asks ThunderClan for help is when ShadowClan is having trouble with badgers. ThunderClan got involved with the kittypets themselves without ShadowClan really asking for help.
As for Scorchfur, not only did he insult Rowanstar, he basically said that he preferred Darktail because he considered him stronger. No, she shouldn't have attacked him, but considering what he was saying, after everything ShadowClan had gone through, I'm really not surprised she reacted the way she did, especially since Darktail had not only killed her own daughter, but Scorchfur's as well.
And as for Tigerheart, she clearly named her son after her father in order to reclaim the name. This sort of thing happens alot irl, and even Firestar did something similar when he made Brambleclaw a warrior (though in his case, it helps that -claw is such a common suffix anyway).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 21:54:36 GMT -5
Fragile hearted? Goldenflower? Also, just saying, not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same things. Going to ShadowClan while Tigerstar was in power was stupid, sure, but on the other hand, why should she stay in a Clan that doesn't respect her? Never mind that she was also an apprentice at the time. Tyrant or not, it makes sense she would go to her father, especially since he was her only other kin at the time, and ShadowClan clearly respected him at the time as well. Also, she went to ThunderClan because ShadowClan during the Sol incident had become a mess. What else was she supposed to do? Stay? Blackstar was adamant about his decision until he saw the fake sign. The only other time she directly asks ThunderClan for help is when ShadowClan is having trouble with badgers. ThunderClan got involved with the kittypets themselves without ShadowClan really asking for help. As for Scorchfur, not only did he insult Rowanstar, he basically said that he preferred Darktail because he considered him stronger. No, she shouldn't have attacked him, but considering what he was saying, after everything ShadowClan had gone through, I'm really not surprised she reacted the way she did, especially since Darktail had not only killed her own daughter, but Scorchfur's as well. And as for Tigerheart, she clearly named her son after her father in order to reclaim the name. This sort of thing happens alot irl, and even Firestar did something similar when he made Brambleclaw a warrior (though in his case, it helps that -claw is such a common suffix anyway). Just because not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same thing, doesn't mean that Goldenflower wasn't upset about her only daughter abandoning her. Not only did her mate get exiled, but her daughter up and left her as well. That's half her family gone in one fell swoop, I imagine she'd be at least a little hurt about it. Also, where was it said that Tawnypelt chose the name Tiger for Tigerheart in order to reclaim the name? |
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Post by highprince on Nov 30, 2020 22:02:06 GMT -5
And as for Tigerheart, she clearly named her son after her father in order to reclaim the name. This sort of thing happens alot irl, and even Firestar did something similar when he made Brambleclaw a warrior (though in his case, it helps that -claw is such a common suffix anyway). Addressing this paragraph because I don’t have the energy or brain power to bother writing out solid arguments right now, but this one upsets me enough that it’s like a caffeine booster. The “reclaiming the name Tiger” point is an incredibly flawed excuse, and quite frankly, stupid. Was there any evidence up to that point that no one wanted to name their kits Tiger? We hadn’t seen any pre-Po3, sure, but we haven’t seen any after Tigerheart, either. It’s cruel as hell for Tawnypelt to do. She sees her newborn kit, who is the grandson of Tigerstar and looks just like him, and names him Tigerkit? She’s essentially opening him up to the judgment and mistrust that made her leave ThunderClan in the first place. Since a lot of people make the comparison to Tigerstar being the Hitler of warriors, can you seriously imagine if Hitler had a daughter who seemingly supported his cause and supported him, who, after his death, had a son named Adolf. It would be cruel, and quite frankly, extremely suspect to if she actually rejected her tyrannical father or not. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Nov 30, 2020 22:02:17 GMT -5
Fragile hearted? Goldenflower? Also, just saying, not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same things. Going to ShadowClan while Tigerstar was in power was stupid, sure, but on the other hand, why should she stay in a Clan that doesn't respect her? Never mind that she was also an apprentice at the time. Tyrant or not, it makes sense she would go to her father, especially since he was her only other kin at the time, and ShadowClan clearly respected him at the time as well. the rational thing to do was to talk to someone if she was being bullied. she could have been brave and tell fireheart or work out a solution with her mother and brother since goldenflower was shown to always defend bramblepaw whenever she caught fireheart staring at him weird. edit: i forgot to mention. calling goldenflower fragile isn't a bad thing. she was fragile. her mate broke her heart by turning out to be evil and betraying everyone to wage war for power. then she and her kits probably faced judgement (since bramble faced judgement that we got to see first hand, i am asusming the same for her and tawny). tawny's first reaction to it is to run away instead of face it...? she's no where near as strong as bramblepaw (who, btw, stayed where he was to make something of himself seperate from his father's legacy. he rose above it, tawnypelt ran from it...two different reactions). staying in the clan like bramblepaw and rising above the hate is way stronger and more interesting than her just abandoning her clan because her feelings got hurt. i doubt she faced anything worse than bramblepaw. again, bramblepaw got it worse since he LOOKED like tigerstar. tawnypelt could have easily just stayed put, and proven everyone wrong like brambleclaw ended up doing, but she chose to run from her problems instead. also, them being apprentices doesn't lessen their actions or decisions. high shcool aged kids make dumb decisions, yes, but they're not helpless chidren either. they're middle ground and can make their own choices. it makes NO sense that she would go to her father. the sole reason she was being "bullied" in the first place was because her father is big bad man. by chosing her horrible father over everyone and everything else, she is proving she thinks being with the enemy is easier than proving her haters wrong...which is dumb. nothing about her choice is right, logical, or justified. |
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Post by fire on Nov 30, 2020 22:02:31 GMT -5
Fragile hearted? Goldenflower? Also, just saying, not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same things. Going to ShadowClan while Tigerstar was in power was stupid, sure, but on the other hand, why should she stay in a Clan that doesn't respect her? Never mind that she was also an apprentice at the time. Tyrant or not, it makes sense she would go to her father, especially since he was her only other kin at the time, and ShadowClan clearly respected him at the time as well. And as for Tigerheart, she clearly named her son after her father in order to reclaim the name. This sort of thing happens alot irl, and even Firestar did something similar when he made Brambleclaw a warrior (though in his case, it helps that -claw is such a common suffix anyway). Since I'm not too far into the series, I'm only going to touch on these two subjects. First, the argument that she was an apprentice is invalid because she isn't a kit. She's a growing cat that knows how to conduct herself and follow the ways of Clan life. She knows how to make her own decisions and what is right from wrong. Going to Tigerstar and ShadowClan, a Clan where no one knew her and maybe didn't respect her or regard her at all, over staying in a Clan that would've grown to love her after she'd proven herself is a bad choice. Second, I get the reclaiming the name thing, so I agree that it probably was to reclaim it. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 30, 2020 22:02:32 GMT -5
Fragile hearted? Goldenflower? Also, just saying, not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same things. Going to ShadowClan while Tigerstar was in power was stupid, sure, but on the other hand, why should she stay in a Clan that doesn't respect her? Never mind that she was also an apprentice at the time. Tyrant or not, it makes sense she would go to her father, especially since he was her only other kin at the time, and ShadowClan clearly respected him at the time as well. Also, she went to ThunderClan because ShadowClan during the Sol incident had become a mess. What else was she supposed to do? Stay? Blackstar was adamant about his decision until he saw the fake sign. The only other time she directly asks ThunderClan for help is when ShadowClan is having trouble with badgers. ThunderClan got involved with the kittypets themselves without ShadowClan really asking for help. As for Scorchfur, not only did he insult Rowanstar, he basically said that he preferred Darktail because he considered him stronger. No, she shouldn't have attacked him, but considering what he was saying, after everything ShadowClan had gone through, I'm really not surprised she reacted the way she did, especially since Darktail had not only killed her own daughter, but Scorchfur's as well. And as for Tigerheart, she clearly named her son after her father in order to reclaim the name. This sort of thing happens alot irl, and even Firestar did something similar when he made Brambleclaw a warrior (though in his case, it helps that -claw is such a common suffix anyway). Just because not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same thing, doesn't mean that Goldenflower wasn't upset about her only daughter abandoning her. Not only did her mate get exiled, but her daughter up and left her as well. That's half her family gone in one fell swoop, I imagine she'd be at least a little hurt about it. Also, where was it said that Tawnypelt chose the name Tiger for Tigerheart in order to reclaim the name? Where did I imply Goldenflower didn't have a right to be upset, though? Of course she did, that's her daughter. If you're referring to the fragile hearted part, I was speaking in general, because Goldenflower is far from fragile. And with Tigerheart, I don't think it was ever confirmed, but whether or not it was, it's just basic logic. Tawnypelt already rejected Tigerstar in TNP. Why would she name her son after him except to show everyone that it can be used for good cats as well? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 22:04:09 GMT -5
Just because not everyone is going to have the same reaction to the same thing, doesn't mean that Goldenflower wasn't upset about her only daughter abandoning her. Not only did her mate get exiled, but her daughter up and left her as well. That's half her family gone in one fell swoop, I imagine she'd be at least a little hurt about it. Also, where was it said that Tawnypelt chose the name Tiger for Tigerheart in order to reclaim the name? Where did I imply Goldenflower didn't have a right to be upset, though? Of course she did, that's her daughter. If you're referring to the fragile hearted part, I was speaking in general, because Goldenflower is far from fragile. And with Tigerheart, I don't think it was ever confirmed, but whether or not it was, it's just basic logic. Tawnypelt already rejected Tigerstar in TNP. Why would she name her son after him except to show everyone that it can be used for good cats as well? That's a really good point |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Nov 30, 2020 22:06:12 GMT -5
Guys, no where did I say she was in the right to leave her Clan (like I already said, it was a really stupid decision to make), I was just trying to explain her logic behind her decision.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 30, 2020 22:30:37 GMT -5
I’m glad Tawnypelt left her clan. Why should she try and appease cats for something she had no control over? Working to her bone to prove she wasn’t her father wasn’t going to change anything, and she was clearly bothered enough that she was done with it all. It’s not all that stupid that she left anyway. She became a dedicated and loyal Shadowclan Warrior. She was happy and raised a good family. She had a mate that clearly loved her, and respected her, and she did the same for him. When she switched clans, she didn’t flip-flop back and forth. She stuck with her new clan and made a name for herself amongst cats who did not judge her solely on who her father was, but on her merit and loyalty to her clan. She trained 5 of Shadowclan’s Warriors, she raised a leader, she represented Shadowclan on the journey and didn’t take crap from cats that cross her. She literally told her father to screw off in cat hell while Brambleclaw trained with him like an idiot. She made a good life for herself in Shadowclan, and I’m glad we could get a point of view like that.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 22:34:08 GMT -5
People like Tawnypelt because she went through a lot of shit in her life and still tries to be strong. She doesn't go ape shit like some cats do (Mapleshade is an example of this) and actually appreciates her family and tried to keep the clan together. Does she handle shit right? Absolutely not. But Tawnypelt has good intentions. The only reason she acts so aggressively at all is because of stress, and I can't really blame her, because she tried her best to keep her Clan together but everyone treats her like garbage because she "let Darktail take over" even though half of the Clan chose to leave because they thought Rowanstar was weak.
Fans also like Tawnypelt because she supported Rowanstar through everything. Tawnypelt was always there for him, even when his Clan was collapsing. Rowanstar does everything he can for her as well, and it's clear as day they both love each other.
No, they don't handle things right, but Tawnypelt has good intentions and she loves her Clan.
I don't know what she's doing in TBC right now, but this is from what I read and do know. She always has good intentions. She doesn't act violently nor does she betray her Clan. And if you dislike her for swapping Clans, well, she only did that as a "screw you" thing because Tawnypelt was fed up with her Clanmates for treating her like shit. They were assholes to her because she was the son of Tigerstar. She felt that she shouldn't have to prove herself to ThunderClan and she was never truly happy there. Even Firestar was unsettled by her and her brother at times. If someone is not happy with their life, they have the right to move forward and choose their own path. The warrior code should not force a cat to choose to stay in their clan if they're not happy there. I don't hold against anyone for swapping Clans as long as they have good intentions for it.
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Post by fire on Nov 30, 2020 22:38:10 GMT -5
I’m glad Tawnypelt left her clan. Why should she try and appease cats for something she had no control over? Working to her bone to prove she wasn’t her father wasn’t going to change anything, and she was clearly bothered enough that she was done with it all. It’s not all that stupid that she left anyway. She became a dedicated and loyal Shadowclan Warrior. She was happy and raised a good family. She had a mate that clearly loved her, and respected her, and she did the same for him. When she switched clans, she didn’t flip-flop back and forth. She stuck with her new clan and made a name for herself amongst cats who did not judge her solely on who her father was, but on her merit and loyalty to her clan. She trained 5 of Shadowclan’s Warriors, she raised a leader, she represented Shadowclan on the journey and didn’t take crap from cats that cross her. She literally told her father to screw off in cat hell while Brambleclaw trained with him like an idiot. She made a good life for herself in Shadowclan, and I’m glad we could get a point of view like that. The way she left was stupid, and it really created more problems for her at the start. Not only was she seen as Tigerstar's daughter, but now she was seen as a cat with "divided loyalties", earning scorn from her new Clanmates, including Rowanclaw at the time. She overcame this, but I still think she shouldn't have left and should've stuck it out with her family, rather than make herself look worse by following behind the traitor whose identity everyone saw when looking at her. Her rejecting Tigerstar was good though. And she did end up having a good life after all this. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 22:44:07 GMT -5
Honestly, I don't like Tawnypelt, but I can't exactly fault her for leaving, Moonblazer brought up some good points I didn't think of.
Like, why should she appease her clanmates who don't even like her?
And who's to say that they would, if she did work hard to prove herself?
Which, she shouldn't have to.
Her clanmates are idiots for judging her for her father is.
I know first hand, what's it's like to have people dislike me for essentially no reason, and not wanting to cater to what they want me to be.
So, I'm sorry Briar, but I can't agree with you on this, but I agree with you on pretty much everything else about your post.
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Post by Moonblazer on Nov 30, 2020 23:19:14 GMT -5
I’m glad Tawnypelt left her clan. Why should she try and appease cats for something she had no control over? Working to her bone to prove she wasn’t her father wasn’t going to change anything, and she was clearly bothered enough that she was done with it all. It’s not all that stupid that she left anyway. She became a dedicated and loyal Shadowclan Warrior. She was happy and raised a good family. She had a mate that clearly loved her, and respected her, and she did the same for him. When she switched clans, she didn’t flip-flop back and forth. She stuck with her new clan and made a name for herself amongst cats who did not judge her solely on who her father was, but on her merit and loyalty to her clan. She trained 5 of Shadowclan’s Warriors, she raised a leader, she represented Shadowclan on the journey and didn’t take crap from cats that cross her. She literally told her father to screw off in cat hell while Brambleclaw trained with him like an idiot. She made a good life for herself in Shadowclan, and I’m glad we could get a point of view like that. The way she left was stupid, and it really created more problems for her at the start. Not only was she seen as Tigerstar's daughter, but now she was seen as a cat with "divided loyalties", earning scorn from her new Clanmates, including Rowanclaw at the time. She overcame this, but I still think she shouldn't have left and should've stuck it out with her family, rather than make herself look worse by following behind the traitor whose identity everyone saw when looking at her. Her rejecting Tigerstar was good though. And she did end up having a good life after all this. I mean, not really. Tawnypelt has never been regretful about her choice to stay in Shadowclan. She had her own family and life and clearly became a good Warrior of her own right in Shadowclan. Who’s to say her life would have been better in Thunderclan? It could have easily been just as bad. Why is she expected to prove anything to a clan that should have cared for her from the start, but clearly broke her heart and made her feel hated enough to leave. Tbh I’d rather be scorned by strangers in another clan than by cats who are supposed to love me and treat me as a clanmate but clearly don’t. She and Rowanstar clearly got past their differences and came to respect one another, and love one another. She clearly loves Shadowclan, and Thunderclan didn’t change all that much with or without her. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 23:49:21 GMT -5
Personally i think tawnypelt is anoying, like when she left her birth clan because some old ladies were “making her feel bad”🙄 like grow up.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2020 23:50:53 GMT -5
I'll just quote myself from another similar Tawnypelt thread:
I agree wholeheartedly with Moonblazer, Aqua and Cinder.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Dec 1, 2020 0:00:34 GMT -5
Meh. Don't like how she just snuck off.
I don't blame her for attacking Scorchfur though. Though it was a reckless and code-breaking thing to do, Scorchfur was being horrible. Rowanstar was trying with his Clan, and they were just being disrespectful and ungrateful. ShadowClan's actions in AVoS are the reason they're my least favorite Clan.
After all ShadowClan and the other Clans had done for them, they chose to leave and be with a rogue. They should have stood up for honor.
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Post by vectoring34 on Dec 1, 2020 0:16:55 GMT -5
Scorchfur got what he deserved. He was running his mouth and saying that the cat who had murdered Tawnypelt's daughter(AND HIS OWN!) was a better leader than Rowanstar. Firepaw attacked Longtail for less. Honor is a big deal in warrior society, what someone's good name and standing is, and Scorchfur is insulting it directly and ripping it to shreds. Furthemore, the last time Shadowclan tolerated that kind of seditious talk they had a coup.
I don't even like Tawnypelt that much, but Scorchfur isn't the victim here. The only thing disappointing in that scene was that he wasn't humbled like Longtail was.
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Dec 1, 2020 0:23:44 GMT -5
Scorchfur got what he deserved. He was running his mouth and saying that the cat who had murdered Tawnypelt's daughter(AND HIS OWN!) was a better leader than Rowanstar. Firepaw attacked Longtail for less. Honor is a big deal in warrior society, what someone's good name and standing is, and Scorchfur is insulting it directly and ripping it to shreds. Furthemore, the last time Shadowclan tolerated that kind of seditious talk they had a coup. I don't even like Tawnypelt that much, but Scorchfur isn't the victim here. The only thing disappointing in that scene was that he wasn't humbled like Longtail was. I agree with this! Scorchfur deserved it. |
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Dec 1, 2020 0:30:38 GMT -5
I'm fine with her changing clans. She shouldn't have to stay somewhere she doesn't want to no matter the reason.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Dec 1, 2020 10:31:42 GMT -5
I see it as her leaving her Clan where she would have to prove herself to a different Clan where she'd have to prove herself. |
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