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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 17, 2020 21:16:18 GMT -5
let's talk about the less controversial sister for a change.
gotta admit, as a kid, i didn't like her much. i thought she was way too soppy over Crowfeather, and thought the whole charade with pretending not to be the Three's mother was her own fault. basically, i had little to no sympathy for her. it was a sort of "you got yourself into this mess, deal with the consequences" view. i never hated her. but i did find her at fault for her life choices.
however, now that i am older, i see her differently. maybe it's because i'd never been in love before, whereas now i'm on the brink of marriage and probably a few years away from kids of my own. i think i just get her more. she was young, got caught up in a whirlwind romance (which in hindsight was honestly pretty sweet, even if it was rushed), and had to give it up. then she feels so pressured (not just by starclan, but by clan culture) to give up the kits, the last tether she has to love. like, i can't imagine being in that position; watching your children you never wanted to give up being raised by someone else, being seen only as their extended family, unable to take joy in motherhood except in secret, and certainly not share that joy with them. and then they go from distant to actually hating you.
like damn. leafpool is a tough cookie. i didn't get it as a kid, but i definitely empathize with her struggle now. poor thing was given little choice but to suffer.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 17, 2020 21:38:15 GMT -5
I love her. She's constantly faced all the bad shit that happens in her life well, and I love that she doesn't regret a single moment of her life (take that Moth Flight).
I think there's a lot of strength in her kindness and softness, and she works as a wonderful balancing act with the feistier Squirrelflight. The fact she was judged in Starclan is laughable since the clans would have been screwed without the two
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Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 18, 2020 0:21:47 GMT -5
She is amazing.
From the beginning, she was more patient and quiet than her sister. She broke her fair share of rules, but it was almost always in goodness. She made friendships everywhere, with RiverClan cats, ThunderClan cats, kittypets, etc. Leafpool was like a cat magnet. She emitted good vibes lol. Her relationship with Crowfeather is less hateable than other half-Clan relationships. They truly loved each other but accepted they couldn't be together. She's a great sister. She offered care and support for Squirrelflight when they were shunned for lying to the Clan about the three. She didn't pick and throw around blame. She modestly stepped down and accepted that she could not be a medicine cat anymore. Leafpool was always there to help her Clanmates when they needed it. She believed in the good and the kind. She didn't deserve to be trialed in StarClan when they were the very ones that made it her destiny to have her kits! They were the ones that pressured Squirrelflight into taking them, lying to her and telling her she was barren! And without the three, the Clans would have been doomed. But yeah, Leafpool is great and doesn't deserve the hate she gets.
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Post by Hollyfall on Oct 18, 2020 0:38:43 GMT -5
I don't really like her. I found her character to be really boring and didn't enjoy it all that much. Like Squirrelflight, her character never really appealed to me. Prior to TBC, I would have said I preferred her over Squirrelflight. However, now that I'm older, she's ranked a little bit higher for basically all the reasons you mentioned. She was a darned good medicine cat and did seem to make amends with Lionblaze, Jayfeather, and Hollyleaf.
tl;dr Not a huge fan of her, and I found her boring, but I can see why people like her character. Overall I guess I dislike her, bordering on neutral.
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Post by AsiPasasi on Oct 18, 2020 0:51:35 GMT -5
I don't like her as a POV char. Overall, she's cool and I liked her in AVoS and TBC. But reading her POV felt frustrating. She knew everything that's going on but didn't do anything. It wasn't like Jayfeather being grumpy and not doing anything out of spite/not being able to do anything. She was just worrying about everything and what would go wrong if she made the wrong decision. I understand she was put in a tough position but have some confidence. So it's not really her I don't like but more the way she was written.
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Post by Red ripple on Oct 18, 2020 11:06:30 GMT -5
Love her and hate crowxleaf
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 18, 2020 11:22:57 GMT -5
I prefer Squirrelflight over her tbh and always had, if anything it took until AVoS for me to even warm up to Leafpool again (Excluding TAQ where she was always weird to Alderheart and actively helped the pressure of him becoming a MC, I really did not like that, other than that she's fine that whole arc). She was pretty great in SqH too, being the supportive sister she was supposed to be despite the little she could do there to really help given circumstance, it was a "it's about fricking time" case for that after how Squirrelflight sacrificed so much for her and all, but was nice to see nonetheless even if very little. I do wish she could do more regarding that support tbh, she never really "gave back" for what her sister did for her when you think about it.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 18, 2020 11:36:01 GMT -5
I prefer Squirrelflight over her tbh and always had, if anything it took until AVoS for me to even warm up to Leafpool again (Excluding TAQ where she was always weird to Alderheart and actively helped the pressure of him becoming a MC, I really did not like that, other than that she's fine that whole arc). She was pretty great in SqH too, being the supportive sister she was supposed to be despite the little she could do there to really help given circumstance, it was a "it's about fricking time" case for that after how Squirrelflight sacrificed so much for her and all, but was nice to see nonetheless even if very little. I do wish she could do more regarding that support tbh, she never really "gave back" for what her sister did for her when you think about it. Personally, to think of Leafpool in Squilf’s “debt” seems like an unhealthy grasp of close relationships. Language suggesting that Leafpool “owes” her sister a quantifiable sacrifice is just...too transactional. When you love someone and it’s mutual, there shouldn’t be tallying how much you do for one another.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 11:45:23 GMT -5
Honestly, I really can't stand Leafpool. Her acting like a lovesick fool aside, and dragging her sister down with all the consequences and drama that resulted from it, I still can't get over how rude she was to Jayfeather in Power of Three. Yes, he was a jerk, but he was also a young cat, who felt different from his other clanmates, and Leafpool kept harping on his differences, to the point where she'd snap at him, if he even suggested that he wanted to be a warrior. To make matters worse, she prioritized Cinderheart over him. I know Leafpool isn't a bad cat, and she's done some good things, but standing up for Squirrelflight in Squirrelflight's Hope, and helping out ShadowClan, but I just don't like her.
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Post by vectoring34 on Oct 18, 2020 13:54:35 GMT -5
Pulling the "THEY'RE YOUR SONS!" card on Crowfeather after she chose to never tell him a single thing and exclude him from everything involving them was a dirty move.
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 18, 2020 14:21:11 GMT -5
A yes, we knew at least one of Firestar's kin would be a dumpster fire. Who would have thought we'd start right off the bat with her?
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Post by Cloverƒall on Oct 18, 2020 14:43:41 GMT -5
Most of the hate towards the TNP version of her sounds a lot like slut-shaming, ngl.
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Post by mymerlincat on Oct 18, 2020 14:45:58 GMT -5
Bleh
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Post by iceflower on Oct 18, 2020 15:49:27 GMT -5
Leafpool isn't my favourite character but it's not like I don't like her. I think she just wanted to protect her kids and be a good sister. I liked her in AVOS, even tho I think her POV in TNP was boring.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 18, 2020 15:55:16 GMT -5
I honestly found her boring and unlikeable but after re-reading TNP she seems a very kind and caring sister, sharing a strong bond with Cinderpelt and Squirrelpaw. I even got frustrated because they switched POV beetwen Leafpaw-Brambleclaw and i wanted to read more about her lol.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 18, 2020 20:31:32 GMT -5
I find Leafpool okay. My first impression of her was while reading PoT, and she acted so hysterical and mysterious over the Cinderheart/pelt situation, and how she was sometimes very rude to Jayfeather, lowered my opinion on her.
When I read TNP, I wasn't a fan of CrowLeaf, and when I read OOTS, she was acting weird as usual. So, Leafpool's just okay for me.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 18, 2020 20:37:13 GMT -5
Most of the hate towards the TNP version of her sounds a lot like slut-shaming, ngl. That's one reason I don't like her at times, but to me I think it was unfair for Crowfeather at times.
Crowfeather deserved to know about his kits and would have done something I'm sure, and I think he had more of a right to be pissed off than Bramblestar ever did about the situation. They were his kits and he even tried talking to Leafpool after she was pregnant and he didn't know and she accused him of causing her trouble. Honestly, the way she was with Crowfeather was irritating and he was really looking for a soulmate in that situation, not a fling. She was good with how she treated her kits and even though her plan was clever, my point about how she treated her mate still stands. Plus after sending him away she had the nerve to get jealous of him for becoming close with Nightcloud.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 18, 2020 20:42:34 GMT -5
Ṣanɗypaw™ Chicken With the Cinderheart thing, I also associated her hysteria with a trauma response. She lost one of her closest companions, her wise mentor, in a violent manner (mauled to death). I'm sure she was also still terribly guilty about leaving Cinderpelt in the first place, so she felt like she had something to "make up" for her past mistakes by guaranteeing her reincarnation's happiness. It was not only Cinderpelt's, but also Leafpool's "second chance" for restitution. That doesn't mean she wasn't frustrating about it. But it was easier for me to forgive it.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 18, 2020 20:46:28 GMT -5
Ṣanɗypaw™ Chicken With the Cinderheart thing, I also associated her hysteria with a trauma response. She lost one of her closest companions, her wise mentor, in a violent manner (mauled to death). I'm sure she was also still terribly guilty about leaving Cinderpelt in the first place, so she felt like she had something to "make up" for her past mistakes by guaranteeing her reincarnation's happiness. It was not only Cinderpelt's, but also Leafpool's "second chance" for restitution. That doesn't mean she wasn't frustrating about it. But it was easier for me to forgive it. Yeah. The reason why I didn't like Leafpool much for that was because I didn't know her full situation, but once I read TNP, I could understand Leafpool more, and why she did what she did. Thanks for explaining <3
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 18, 2020 20:46:38 GMT -5
Most of the hate towards the TNP version of her sounds a lot like slut-shaming, ngl. That's one reason I don't like her at times, but to me I think it was unfair for Crowfeather at times.
Crowfeather deserved to know about his kits and would have done something I'm sure, and I think he had more of a right to be pissed off than Bramblestar ever did about the situation. They were his kits and he even tried talking to Leafpool after she was pregnant and he didn't know and she accused him of causing her trouble. Honestly, the way she was with Crowfeather was irritating and he was really looking for a soulmate in that situation, not a fling. She was good with how she treated her kits and even though her plan was clever, my point about how she treated her mate still stands. Plus after sending him away she had the nerve to get jealous of him for becoming close with Nightcloud. I agree it was unfair to Crowfeather. Although I assume the reasoning was that she firmly believed that it was giving her kits their best chance by denying them their true parentage, not being raised as potential pariahs and discriminated against. Maybe it was to spare Crow pain, too. You can't grieve the kits you can't know if you don't know they exist. On that subject, I can't imagine how that'd be for Crowfeather. Finding out you had three secret kits who were all adults, that you interacted with at times without any clue. That's gotta be weird.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 18, 2020 21:15:21 GMT -5
That's one reason I don't like her at times, but to me I think it was unfair for Crowfeather at times.
Crowfeather deserved to know about his kits and would have done something I'm sure, and I think he had more of a right to be pissed off than Bramblestar ever did about the situation. They were his kits and he even tried talking to Leafpool after she was pregnant and he didn't know and she accused him of causing her trouble. Honestly, the way she was with Crowfeather was irritating and he was really looking for a soulmate in that situation, not a fling. She was good with how she treated her kits and even though her plan was clever, my point about how she treated her mate still stands. Plus after sending him away she had the nerve to get jealous of him for becoming close with Nightcloud. I agree it was unfair to Crowfeather. Although I assume the reasoning was that she firmly believed that it was giving her kits their best chance by denying them their true parentage, not being raised as potential pariahs and discriminated against. Maybe it was to spare Crow pain, too. You can't grieve the kits you can't know if you don't know they exist. On that subject, I can't imagine how that'd be for Crowfeather. Finding out you had three secret kits who were all adults, that you interacted with at times without any clue. That's gotta be weird. Definitely! It was made worse since he found out in front of every Clan cat possible.
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Post by whiteflight on Oct 18, 2020 23:58:04 GMT -5
I love everything about her!!!!
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Oct 19, 2020 2:55:54 GMT -5
I agree it was unfair to Crowfeather. Although I assume the reasoning was that she firmly believed that it was giving her kits their best chance by denying them their true parentage, not being raised as potential pariahs and discriminated against. Maybe it was to spare Crow pain, too. You can't grieve the kits you can't know if you don't know they exist. On that subject, I can't imagine how that'd be for Crowfeather. Finding out you had three secret kits who were all adults, that you interacted with at times without any clue. That's gotta be weird. Definitely! It was made worse since he found out in front of every Clan cat possible.
Actually, he found out alone. Lion, Jay, and Holly went to him to tell him they were his kits after they found out. And he rejected them, and it played somewhat into Holly's snapping
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 4:05:41 GMT -5
Best Girl Ever <3
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Post by Cloverƒall on Oct 19, 2020 6:17:40 GMT -5
Most of the hate towards the TNP version of her sounds a lot like slut-shaming, ngl. That's one reason I don't like her at times, but to me I think it was unfair for Crowfeather at times.
Crowfeather deserved to know about his kits and would have done something I'm sure, and I think he had more of a right to be pissed off than Bramblestar ever did about the situation. They were his kits and he even tried talking to Leafpool after she was pregnant and he didn't know and she accused him of causing her trouble. Honestly, the way she was with Crowfeather was irritating and he was really looking for a soulmate in that situation, not a fling. She was good with how she treated her kits and even though her plan was clever, my point about how she treated her mate still stands. Plus after sending him away she had the nerve to get jealous of him for becoming close with Nightcloud. If Crowfeather already managed to move on, I'm pretty sure she's allowed to assume he's done with her. She's allowed to be jealous, and she's allowed not to tell him. The reason I say that the hatred towards TNP!Leafpool sound like slut-shaming is because of all the hate for a hormonal teenager wanting to pork with Crow, yet that's not even as morally corrupt and messed up as say, Hollyleaf's madness.
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Post by highprince on Oct 19, 2020 8:35:17 GMT -5
Most of the hate towards the TNP version of her sounds a lot like slut-shaming, ngl. Could you possibly elaborate? Don’t get me wrong, I definitely think she gets more hate than she deserves for wanting to be with him, but I guess I don’t really see the slut-shaming parallels when she only got with and had feelings for one guy, and she seemed to genuinely love him.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 19, 2020 10:43:36 GMT -5
Most of the hate towards the TNP version of her sounds a lot like slut-shaming, ngl. Could you possibly elaborate? Don’t get me wrong, I definitely think she gets more hate than she deserves for wanting to be with him, but I guess I don’t really see the slut-shaming parallels when she only got with and had feelings for one guy, and she seemed to genuinely love him. I think they mean that people tend to blame Leafpool for getting pregnant and that she deserves to deal with the harsh consequences because she chose to have a forbidden relationship.
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