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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:26:21 GMT -5
I don't think she's a bad cat, but I personally don't like her personality. When she's first introduced, she is said to be completely disrespectful towards Dustpelt, like, always running off when it's time for her to train. She then continues to act entitled and bratty, by basically blackmailing Bramblestar into letting her come on a journey, which she wasn't invited to. Honestly, everyone in this situation were idiots, Bramblestar should have straight up told Firestar what was up, so their clanmates wouldn't worry about them, or Leafpool could have told him, but whatever. Anyway, I understand she was young during all of this, but Maplefrost is right in the fact that she hasn't changed much. She's still a very stubborn my way or the high way kind of cat, even if she is trying to do the right thing, she is still going about it to get these things. Honestly, I'm sick of her and Bramblestar's constant fighting, it's ALWAYS the same. Squirrelflight should have gone to the background after her arc was finished, and stayed there. Yeah, despite her being my first favorite character, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight's fighting is just getting tiring and so frustrating to read. Can't they just give them some peace? Agreed! Like, they were put together, to show that the blood-lines of Tigerstar and Firestar could fall in love, and show that even though that T and F are enemies, their offspring could still get along and work together as mates! Except, that they can't. I find it sad, that BS was supposed to be some huge revolutionary power couple, and they're...this. Dove x Tiger is a much better Tigerkin x Firekin match up.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 16, 2020 10:34:07 GMT -5
Yeah, despite her being my first favorite character, Bramblestar and Squirrelflight's fighting is just getting tiring and so frustrating to read. Can't they just give them some peace? Agreed! Like, they were put together, to show that the blood-lines of Tigerstar and Firestar could fall in love, and show that even though that T and F are enemies, their offspring could still get along and work together as mates! Except, that they can't. I find it sad, that BS was supposed to be some huge revolutionary power couple, and they're...this. Dove x Tiger is a much better Tigerkin x Firekin match up. Bramblestar's Storm is one of my favorite novellas because it shows them working together, in a healthy relationship, and finally getting along! Even having kits because they fully trust eachother now. But then Squirrelflight's Hope came along. I has come to the point that it is so bad, even people are literally labeling Bramblestar as abusive. I'm not the type of person to say that this and that was ruined, but this one is one of the couples that have been ruined in the span of just a few books.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2020 10:44:26 GMT -5
Agreed! Like, they were put together, to show that the blood-lines of Tigerstar and Firestar could fall in love, and show that even though that T and F are enemies, their offspring could still get along and work together as mates! Except, that they can't. I find it sad, that BS was supposed to be some huge revolutionary power couple, and they're...this. Dove x Tiger is a much better Tigerkin x Firekin match up. Bramblestar's Storm is one of my favorite novellas because it shows them working together, in a healthy relationship, and finally getting along! Even having kits because they fully trust eachother now. But then Squirrelflight's Hope came along. I has come to the point that it is so bad, even people are literally labeling Bramblestar as abusive. I'm not the type of person to say that this and that was ruined, but this one is one of the couples that have been ruined in the span of just a few books. Agreed, Squirrelflight's Hope was a hugeee mess, and I thought the author who hated happy relationships was gone, why are they still terrible? XD
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 18:11:18 GMT -5
I personally really loved her as an apprentice, and during the POT arc, but I think SqH is what made me go from loving her to disliking her. Her incredibly selfish and bratty behavior was cringe-worthy in that SE, and made me realize she really hasn't changed much at all in the maturity department. Personally, I also believe she was worse than Bramblestar in that SE as well, and I don't even like him. And now she's starting to clog the plot with her relevancy, which is kinda disappointing even though I don't mind Ashfur's return. I feel the same. I didn't mind her SE that much but it makes me hate how her personality is supposed to be a mix of how it used to be and how it is now. In my opinion she would have been better not being a deputy, for the sake of her personality as well as her sanity.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 16, 2020 18:20:34 GMT -5
I personally really loved her as an apprentice, and during the POT arc, but I think SqH is what made me go from loving her to disliking her. Her incredibly selfish and bratty behavior was cringe-worthy in that SE, and made me realize she really hasn't changed much at all in the maturity department. Personally, I also believe she was worse than Bramblestar in that SE as well, and I don't even like him. And now she's starting to clog the plot with her relevancy, which is kinda disappointing even though I don't mind Ashfur's return. I feel the same. I didn't mind her SE that much but it makes me hate how her personality is supposed to be a mix of how it used to be and how it is now. In my opinion she would have been better not being a deputy, for the sake of her personality as well as her sanity. I feel like Squirrel is super competent, she just pairs poorly with Bramble
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 16, 2020 18:43:02 GMT -5
I feel the same. I didn't mind her SE that much but it makes me hate how her personality is supposed to be a mix of how it used to be and how it is now. In my opinion she would have been better not being a deputy, for the sake of her personality as well as her sanity. I feel like Squirrel is super competent, she just pairs poorly with Bramble Yeah. Sometimes supposedly incompatible couples can become a beautiful thing if they work at it...I feel like those two didn't work on their struggles much. I was surprised at the end of TNP that there was any glue holding the foundation of their relationship together! Back then I only shipped them because of the journey lol
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 17, 2020 3:04:59 GMT -5
Bramblestar's Storm is one of my favorite novellas because it shows them working together, in a healthy relationship, and finally getting along! Even having kits because they fully trust eachother now. But then Squirrelflight's Hope came along. I has come to the point that it is so bad, even people are literally labeling Bramblestar as abusive. I'm not the type of person to say that this and that was ruined, but this one is one of the couples that have been ruined in the span of just a few books. Agreed, Squirrelflight's Hope was a hugeee mess, and I thought the author who hated happy relationships was gone, why are they still terrible? XD I just try not to think it's canon, because it has ruined a character and a healthy relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2020 9:35:39 GMT -5
Agreed, Squirrelflight's Hope was a hugeee mess, and I thought the author who hated happy relationships was gone, why are they still terrible? XD I just try not to think it's canon, because it has ruined a character and a healthy relationship. Idk, the relationship seemed kind of problematic from the very beginning, at least to me, but everyone has different thoughts and feelings about characters
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Post by ravenmoon on Oct 17, 2020 14:29:30 GMT -5
I used to hate Squirrelflight for the longest time. I thought she was extremely annoying, and I couldn't stand reading about her.
But after I put myself in her shoes -well paws haha- I instantly started liking her. Then Squirrelflight's Hope came out and she became a favorite of mine.
I like her a lot. She's definitely got some flaws but I think she means well lol.
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Post by Goldy from Dappleclan on Oct 17, 2020 14:55:03 GMT -5
She's the Squidward of Warriors. The writers love to give her pain no matter what
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Post by 𝘊𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘶𝘴𝘣𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘮 ꕤ on Oct 17, 2020 15:19:41 GMT -5
I've always really liked Squirrelflight, I like characters that have a little more fire to them, I don't think her being a brat bothered me at all because it was always fun to read her interactions with others. I don't like her relationship with Bramble at all though, I think the writers always wanted them to get together since Firestar is her dad, and you know. Tigerstar is Bramble's dad, so it's all poetic that they're together or something? But I think being with someone who was a lot more mellow and calm would have been good for her.
But yeah! I like her, she's fun and I think she had some nice character progression.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Oct 17, 2020 16:43:51 GMT -5
I just try not to think it's canon, because it has ruined a character and a healthy relationship. Idk, the relationship seemed kind of problematic from the very beginning, at least to me, but everyone has different thoughts and feelings about characters I agree. The BrambleSquirrel stuff isn't a new issue and has been going on forever.
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Post by platinum blond death on Oct 17, 2020 16:54:42 GMT -5
i still need to reread tnp through avos so anything pre those arcs i won't be commenting on.
she seems to have gotten better in tbc, i really liked her in that.
however in sqh i really disliked her. fighting with bramblestar, going behind bramblestar's back and not communicating with him, and just being really annoying? granted most of my annoyance came from how aggressive everyone was here. i really didn't like that se lol.
i also don't think she should've been deputy. or if you want squilf as deputy, have her gain it by her own merit. not because bramblestar wanted to apologize. erins why. (personally i think the leader and deputy shouldn't be familially connected but eh)
overall i'm neutral? she's fine but she sure isn't my favorite.
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Post by Fernshiine on Oct 17, 2020 17:21:41 GMT -5
I've always really liked Squirrelflight, I like characters that have a little more fire to them, I don't think her being a brat bothered me at all because it was always fun to read her interactions with others. I don't like her relationship with Bramble at all though, I think the writers always wanted them to get together since Firestar is her dad, and you know. Tigerstar is Bramble's dad, so it's all poetic that they're together or something? But I think being with someone who was a lot more mellow and calm would have been good for her.
But yeah! I like her, she's fun and I think she had some nice character progression. When she and Ashfur were nearly a couple (pretty much courting), Ashfur treated her with respect and kindness and wasn't as obsessive as he turned out to be later on. More protective than anything. But the Erins saw that as "not matching her fire" which doesn't make sense to me, given that all he tried to do was prevent her from hurting herself in many situations. Also Brambleclaw mocked her for spending time with him and accused her of "wanting a tom who smoothed out her path", as if there's something wrong with her wanting emotional support from a gentle and kind tom lol
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Oct 17, 2020 18:51:35 GMT -5
I've always really liked Squirrelflight, I like characters that have a little more fire to them, I don't think her being a brat bothered me at all because it was always fun to read her interactions with others. I don't like her relationship with Bramble at all though, I think the writers always wanted them to get together since Firestar is her dad, and you know. Tigerstar is Bramble's dad, so it's all poetic that they're together or something? But I think being with someone who was a lot more mellow and calm would have been good for her.
But yeah! I like her, she's fun and I think she had some nice character progression. When she and Ashfur were nearly a couple (pretty much courting), Ashfur treated her with respect and kindness and wasn't as obsessive as he turned out to be later on. More protective than anything. But the Erins saw that as "not matching her fire" which doesn't make sense to me, given that all he tried to do was prevent her from hurting herself in many situations. Also Brambleclaw mocked her for spending time with him and accused her of "wanting a tom who smoothed out her path", as if there's something wrong with her wanting emotional support from a gentle and kind tom lol I mean, Ashfur helped to kill Firestar almost immediately after Squirrelflight rejected him, so I wouldn't say he "wasn't as obsessive as he turned out to be later on". I also don't blame Squirrelfight for thinking that Ashfur was too mellow/smothering. That said, I agree that Brambleclaw is terrible and unreasonable and I wished Squirrelflight just stayed single or at least broke up with Brambleclaw after Po3.
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Post by whiteflight on Oct 18, 2020 0:46:24 GMT -5
I like Squirrelflight I'm just annoyed about how much attention she's getting and how the whole plot seems to be focusing on her love drama almost like Dovewing imo. Thinking back on a lot of stuff I found Squirrel extremely annoying during TNP but she grew up from it in PoT and so on. I don't find Bramblestar abusive as some people are saying and calling him. Imo it feels like some of his feelings are justified the whole Hawkfrost drama. It makes sense why he keeps thinking Squirrel dislike Hawk because of Tigerstar being his father. The whole finding out the three aren't his children drama makes sense as well. He found out he was lied to this whole time and that the three aren't even his children it makes sense for him to break up with Squrriel and dislike her. I liked how they got back together in his SE but right now it feels like the Erins are ruining him and changing him into a horrible person. I just hate the whole ship now and just wish they just stayed as friends.
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 18, 2020 1:27:18 GMT -5
Ya know, thinking about it, Squirrelflight is a lot like her dad in a way regarding morality. With the whole "willing to go behind a leaders back/break the rules for the sake of doing the right thing" thing she has going on, which is exactly what Firestar would do when he was a Warrior under Bluestar in the first arc, especially in the face of said leader not making wise decisions. To add to that, both were deputies when they did it too (At least in doing the more notable things). Like Father like Daughter and all that. xP
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 18, 2020 4:16:05 GMT -5
Honestly they should have just kept her with Shrew or Storm at this rate if it was gonna be like this. I personally don't care for either Squirrel or Bramble but their constant squabbling in SqH was just annoying.
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Post by Fernsong on Oct 18, 2020 5:04:02 GMT -5
I found her kind of annoying in TNP, and there's the whole lying about Jay Holly and Lion, which was wrong, but overall I like her, she's pretty cool.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 14:31:51 GMT -5
Bumping this cause I feel we need more healthier Squirrelflight topics like this one tbh
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 14:32:24 GMT -5
Thank you for getting along on here guys!
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Post by mymerlincat on Oct 18, 2020 14:41:35 GMT -5
It’s crazy how deep some people are getting into this. It’s literally a kids book about cats. I can understand not liking Bramblestar and thinking he’s an ass (as someone who loves him, there’s definitely been times his attitude has pissed me off) but some of the parallels people draw are ridiculous.
The negativity I see comes from people not being able to understand it’s literally a difference of opinion about cat characters in a children’s book. These type of debates would be a lot more productive if people worked on that basis instead of trying to turn this into something it’s not
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Oct 18, 2020 14:47:34 GMT -5
It’s crazy how deep some people are getting into this. It’s literally a kids book about cats. I can understand not liking Bramblestar and thinking he’s an ass (as someone who loves him, there’s definitely been times his attitude has pissed me off) but some of the parallels people draw are ridiculous. The negativity I see comes from people not being able to understand it’s literally a difference of opinion about cat characters in a children’s book. These type of debates would be a lot more productive if people worked on that basis instead of trying to turn this into something it’s not To be fair, Mer, your post did come off a bit strongly against what you're saying now. So if it is in reference to that, I can see why some got aggravated. At the same time, I've also posted in a similar manner you did so I'm not feigning innocence. If it isn't about that, my bad. Regardless, still love you, bud. <3
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 14:49:08 GMT -5
It’s crazy how deep some people are getting into this. It’s literally a kids book about cats. I can understand not liking Bramblestar and thinking he’s an ass (as someone who loves him, there’s definitely been times his attitude has pissed me off) but some of the parallels people draw are ridiculous. The negativity I see comes from people not being able to understand it’s literally a difference of opinion about cat characters in a children’s book. These type of debates would be a lot more productive if people worked on that basis instead of trying to turn this into something it’s not Please don't start anything. I want this thread to have no Squirrel wars.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2020 14:55:17 GMT -5
gonna be honest, all these stupid squirrelflight wars just makes me love leafpool even more because she doesn't have stupid shit in her life like squirrelflight does lol
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Oct 19, 2020 4:15:15 GMT -5
gonna be honest, all these stupid squirrelflight wars just makes me love leafpool even more because she doesn't have stupid shit in her life like squirrelflight does lol Honestly, Leafpool redeemed herself pretty well, it's a shame what they did to her in SqH, axing her and whatnot, especially when she was doing so well as a character again.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2020 8:57:02 GMT -5
It’s crazy how deep some people are getting into this. It’s literally a kids book about cats. I can understand not liking Bramblestar and thinking he’s an ass (as someone who loves him, there’s definitely been times his attitude has pissed me off) but some of the parallels people draw are ridiculous. The negativity I see comes from people not being able to understand it’s literally a difference of opinion about cat characters in a children’s book. These type of debates would be a lot more productive if people worked on that basis instead of trying to turn this into something it’s not Agreed, I don’t know about anyone else but I never see other fandoms argue over characters or plots in this manner.
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