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SkyClan
Oct 9, 2020 22:13:18 GMT -5
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Post by sar8 on Oct 9, 2020 22:13:18 GMT -5
Was there really a need for the Erins to create a fifth Clan, especially when they never even hinted about its existence in the first series?
It’s kind of inconsistent with the theme of 4 (4 seasons, 4 trees) in the first series anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 22:26:45 GMT -5
SkyClan is valid and great
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Oct 9, 2020 22:40:54 GMT -5
i liked it as a stand-alone story for firestar's quest, i thought it added interesting lore and depth to the clans. the whole idea of a fifth clan driven out by the others generations ago, needing to be rebuilt, is cool.
they overstayed their welcome though imo. i dont think we needed a whole manga and three super editions on top of re-intergation at the lake. i would have preferred for them to stay separate and kinda fade out of the narrative.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 22:56:11 GMT -5
I love SkyClan, it's one of my favorite clans, and most of my favorite cats are from SkyClan. However, I hate that it exists, I didn't like the idea of a fifth clan cropping up out of nowhere. I like things that are even, five threw things way off balance.
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SkyClan
Oct 9, 2020 23:12:48 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2020 23:12:48 GMT -5
how were the clans originally formed then?
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Post by Brindlefern on Oct 9, 2020 23:32:23 GMT -5
I don't mind them being a thing, I love them even, but I'll always be on the "Skyclan should've stayed standalone and stayed away from the lake as their differences and seperation from the four were all that made them unique" train.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2020 5:07:21 GMT -5
SkyClan is valid and great Couldn’t have said it better! SkyClan best Clan🔥
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Oct 10, 2020 18:39:22 GMT -5
SkyClan is awesome, I love how in their history and current thinking they're more unique than the other Clans.
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Oct 10, 2020 19:08:46 GMT -5
I personally have never been bothered by SkyClan’s existence, in fact, they’re my favorite clan. Then again, the very first Warriors book I read was Firestar’s Quest, so the whole deal with only four clans being established in the first arc and no hints about a fifth were irrelevant.
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Post by fangbranch on Oct 10, 2020 19:10:05 GMT -5
I love SkyClan, it's one of my favorite clans, and most of my favorite cats are from SkyClan. However, I hate that it exists, I didn't like the idea of a fifth clan cropping up out of nowhere. I like things that are even, five threw things way off balance. Ex-catly what I was gonna post🤣
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 10, 2020 21:12:53 GMT -5
SkyClan was better in the gorge. I wouldn't mind a fifth clan if it was hinted before Firestar's Quest. But it came out of nowhere.
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Post by Fernsong on Oct 10, 2020 21:47:06 GMT -5
I personally have never been bothered by SkyClan’s existence, in fact, they’re my favorite clan. Then again, the very first Warriors book I read was Firestar’s Quest, so the whole deal with only four clans being established in the first arc and no hints about a fifth were irrelevant. I'm in a similar situation, one of the first Warrios books I read was SkyClan's Destiny since it was one of the ones my school library had, and it got me hooked to continue after Into the Wild. SkyClan was better in the gorge. I wouldn't mind a fifth clan if it was hinted before Firestar's Quest. But it came out of nowhere. Wasn't SkyClan hinted at (a little bit, at least) in The Darkest Hour, though? When Bluestar says, "There were never four clans in the forest. There were always five." Admittedly, she likely meant StarClan was the fifth clan, but I suppose she could be referring to SkyClan there, in hindsight.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 10, 2020 21:52:17 GMT -5
I personally have never been bothered by SkyClan’s existence, in fact, they’re my favorite clan. Then again, the very first Warriors book I read was Firestar’s Quest, so the whole deal with only four clans being established in the first arc and no hints about a fifth were irrelevant. I'm in a similar situation, one of the first Warrios books I read was SkyClan's Destiny since it was one of the ones my school library had, and it got me hooked to continue after Into the Wild. SkyClan was better in the gorge. I wouldn't mind a fifth clan if it was hinted before Firestar's Quest. But it came out of nowhere. Wasn't SkyClan hinted at (a little bit, at least) in The Darkest Hour, though? When Bluestar says, "There were never four clans in the forest. There were always five." Admittedly, she likely meant StarClan was the fifth clan, but I suppose she could be referring to SkyClan there, in hindsight. No, it was StarClan. SkyClan wasn't thought of until Vicky was figuring out the plot for Firestar's Quest. There's an article talking about it on the official website.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Oct 10, 2020 22:06:18 GMT -5
I heard once that Vicky came up with the plot for Firestar's Quest literally overnight, and that kind of illustrates all the issues I have with them, lol.
I'm not too upset with the founding of the Clans and SkyClan eventually being driven out. I think it could have worked well as a cautionary tale for why Clans should offer help to one another. But I really don't think Firestar should have LEFT ThunderClan to go round up a bunch of rogues and kittypets to create ThunderClan 2.0, and I REALLY don't think said ragtag group should have been integrated into the Lake.
Also, in AVoS they just kind of gloss over the fact that no one knows what SkyClan even is. I found it ridiculous that the other three leaders were just like "oh, yeah, that makes sense, okay". Everyone's problem was that territory was now scarce, rather than, y'know, an entire fifth Clan popping into existence.
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SkyClan
Oct 11, 2020 4:08:38 GMT -5
Post by Lizard 🦎 on Oct 11, 2020 4:08:38 GMT -5
I like SkyClan! I find them unique, and I believe they do belong at the lake with the other Clans. I'm not a big fan of SkyClan's Destiny or Firestar's Quest, but I do like Hawkwing's Journey and the SkyClan mangas. Plus, they had HONEYLEAF
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Post by sar8 on Oct 11, 2020 8:54:30 GMT -5
SkyClan was better in the gorge. I wouldn't mind a fifth clan if it was hinted before Firestar's Quest. But it came out of nowhere. Their existence isn’t hinted at in the second arc either, even though that arc takes place after Firestar rebuilt their Clan. When do they first appear? The end of the third arc? Nobody at the lakeside except for Firestar has a clue about their existence before that.
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Post by 🔥Firestar🔥 on Oct 11, 2020 9:27:29 GMT -5
SkyClan is my least favorite Clan. They serve absolutely no purpose unless it's for drama, i don't like the daylight warriors' names (Billystorm, Bellaleaf), and they are just ThunderClan with stronger legs. They don't have a different territory, they just climb trees and call it a day. They are not interesting and just seem ThunderClan 2.0. This especially when the latter already trained to climb trees later in the series.
I remember Graystripe saying at the Darkest Hour: "There are four Clans," [...] "Just as there should be." And it kinda ruins the purpose that now a fifth Clan exists. Also, am i the only one who thinks the daylight warriors are an unfair rank? Imagine full warriors going cold and starving while daylight warriors get the adventage of being warm in a blanket and getting all food during hard times.
I think i liked them more in the gorge, where they were away from the other Clans and held their unique culture. But alas, five Clans in the lake, i guess.
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Post by whiteflight on Oct 11, 2020 21:19:43 GMT -5
I hate them. There really was no need to make them at all.
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SkyClan
Oct 12, 2020 16:26:05 GMT -5
Post by sar8 on Oct 12, 2020 16:26:05 GMT -5
I personally have never been bothered by SkyClan’s existence, in fact, they’re my favorite clan. Then again, the very first Warriors book I read was Firestar’s Quest, so the whole deal with only four clans being established in the first arc and no hints about a fifth were irrelevant. I've noticed a pattern on here where a lot of people seem to like whatever they read first best.
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SkyClan
Oct 12, 2020 16:51:01 GMT -5
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Post by Ivyfalcon on Oct 12, 2020 16:51:01 GMT -5
I personally have never been bothered by SkyClan’s existence, in fact, they’re my favorite clan. Then again, the very first Warriors book I read was Firestar’s Quest, so the whole deal with only four clans being established in the first arc and no hints about a fifth were irrelevant. I've noticed a pattern on here where a lot of people seem to like whatever they read first best. I think that’s a pretty across-the-board pattern, not just here. However, I’d argue in my case that reading Firestar’s Quest first is not actually why I like SkyClan the best, as a matter of fact they weren’t my favorite clan until they came to the lake. The only thing that reading FQ first got me was not caring about the whole five clans plot twist because there was no twist at all for me, having no background/context. I would agree that in many cases there is a nostalgia bias though, and that is not necessarily a good or a bad thing.
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Post by sar8 on Oct 12, 2020 18:20:27 GMT -5
This. Maybe Firestar could be told about SkyClan as a warning. But by the time of Firestar, it's a little silly to revive SkyClan. Really, the new SkyClan has nothing to do with the old SkyClan except the name. It's just a bunch of former rogues and kittypets who have at most 1/64 SkyClan ancestry.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Oct 12, 2020 19:29:47 GMT -5
i'd said from the beginning. skyclan has no reason to exist. the four clans were fine as they are and they only made up skyclan last second to give firestar's SE a plot...which is kinda dumb because they clearly came up with bloodclan's revenge for graystripe's vow...so why not give firestar's SE the plot of bloodclan's revenge and seeing firestar adjust to being a leader once the battle was over...that could have been a plot for his SE on its own, but they had to make up a new fifth clan and pretend it always did exist in the past...they retconned their own old guidebooks just ot make up something that never needed to exist.
yeah i like skyclan a bit more now compared to years ago, but it doesnt change the fact they never had a reason to exist anyways, or be forced into this series lol
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SkyClan
Oct 14, 2020 20:41:01 GMT -5
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Oct 14, 2020 20:41:01 GMT -5
SkyClan was better in the gorge. I wouldn't mind a fifth clan if it was hinted before Firestar's Quest. But it came out of nowhere. Their existence isn’t hinted at in the second arc either, even though that arc takes place after Firestar rebuilt their Clan. When do they first appear? The end of the third arc? Nobody at the lakeside except for Firestar has a clue about their existence before that. SkyClan first appears in Firestar's Quest. They didn't appear in the main arcs until AVOS.
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