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Post by Spinestar on Sept 1, 2020 11:55:21 GMT -5
Hated it. It was 100% pointless and unnecessary. Why did they need to make this book, I do not know. All it did was have Graystripe go to the old territory and return with a “ThunderClan is my home” attitude. None of the wanderers completed the journey with him, Graystripe did not accomplish anything whatsoever in finding something that could help TC defeat the imposter or bring StarClan back. The whole point of this was to go to the Moonstone to communicate with StarClan, which never happened. It can work for Monkeystar, but not Graystripe??? BS.The blurb was false hope. All he SE ever did was free imprisoned cats and establish a new fake “Clan” in the Forest who very likely won’t play any role in TBC or prob ever after this SE whatsoever.
Worst of all, Graystripe didn’t die, wtf...why would an ancient cat get an SE only to end up surviving it, why didn’t they kill off Barely, an even more ancient cat???
There was no need for Graystripe to get his own story. 1000% filler. They said this book would tie into TBC. Lies!
I give this book 2/10, which I feel is overly generous. The plus 2 points is cuz of the attention Ashfur got, although I wish he was portrayed as a nice guy like TPB and early TNP showed, I still enjoyed seeing him be a total jerk
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Post by Red ripple on Sept 1, 2020 12:18:54 GMT -5
Imagine the lightning strike that destroyed the moonstone actually gets explained later in the broken code story. It’s just a theory I’m working on but generally lightning and StarClan are nearly always linked together with Mudclaw and shadowsight being examples. It’s a theory in the early stages. Also with warriorclan I’m hoping they do a spin-off on them and barley might get his closure.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 1, 2020 12:41:56 GMT -5
Your disappointment seems to lie in that it didn’t propel the TBC plot at all. I actually prefer when SEs are self contained stories like that.
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Post by Spinestar on Sept 1, 2020 12:46:05 GMT -5
Your disappointment seems to lie in that it didn’t propel the TBC plot at all. I actually prefer when SEs are self contained stories like that. Thats part of it, yes, but it also didn’t accomplish anything except for building a new Clan. A fake Clan which I feel is utterly pointless. The end of the blurb hints that he’ll find a solution to save his Clan, but that never happens. He doesn’t even speak with StarClan He also didn’t die It would have made no difference if this story was never even told at all
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Post by Hollyfall on Sept 1, 2020 15:08:07 GMT -5
Was WarriorClan pointless? I thought it helped Graystripe realize that they don't necessarily need StarClan to function and live together as a Clan. For an old man like him, that's certainly a big change.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Sept 1, 2020 15:47:13 GMT -5
Your disappointment seems to lie in that it didn’t propel the TBC plot at all. I actually prefer when SEs are self contained stories like that. Thats part of it, yes, but it also didn’t accomplish anything except for building a new Clan. A fake Clan which I feel is utterly pointless. The end of the blurb hints that he’ll find a solution to save his Clan, but that never happens. He doesn’t even speak with StarClan He also didn’t die It would have made no difference if this story was never even told at all It hints that he may find one. To me the purpose of the book was to flesh out and showcase Graystripe’s journey in finding his place in ThunderClan. It’s fine if that’s not enough for you, but since I view SEs as primarily for that purpose (rounding out characters rather than grand plot) I do not see it as purposeless
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Post by Spinestar on Sept 1, 2020 15:49:34 GMT -5
Was WarriorClan pointless? I thought it helped Graystripe realize that they don't necessarily need StarClan to function and live together as a Clan. For an old man like him, that's certainly a big change. I don’t think it was worth an SE, maybe a novella max. All the SE did was have Graystripe and Flipclaw realize their place was in TC, not at all worth 500 pages. Had this story not been told, there wouldn’t be any difference imo
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Sept 1, 2020 19:51:18 GMT -5
I personally liked it, seeing a bit more of Graystripe's story was unappealing at first, but the book really did it nicely.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2020 20:17:08 GMT -5
Is...did they seriously call it WarriorClan
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Post by Brindlefern on Sept 1, 2020 20:50:17 GMT -5
Is...did they seriously call it WarriorClan Imagine a bunch of LARPing cats where the LARP turns to reality.
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Post by Cloud on Sept 1, 2020 21:56:19 GMT -5
Is...did they seriously call it WarriorClan If you think about it, it was a bunch of kittypets forming their own group based on stories from Smudge. So, it being called WarriorClan kinda makes sense... most of them seemed like younger kittypets too. That being said. I LOVE Monkeystar and she is precious.
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Post by Jaysnow on Sept 2, 2020 13:12:13 GMT -5
Except it did tie into TBC....the events occur during Darkness Within. They said it would tie into the main arc, never how much.
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Post by Spinestar on Sept 2, 2020 15:11:28 GMT -5
Except it did tie into TBC....the events occur during Darkness Within. They said it would tie into the main arc, never how much. I'm pretty sure they said that this story was necessary to tell or something, but honestly, it would have made no diff to TBC or in general if this story had never been told at all, not accomplishing anything besides forming a new Clan which I doubt will play a role in the future. The blurb says that he is on a quest to find an answer that can save it, but that never happens ^ it doesn't broaden anything about TBC
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Post by lollycat on Sept 2, 2020 21:34:57 GMT -5
I think this book will be my favorit because I can relate to what Graystrip is feeling. It showed that Star Clan was still there with him. He was visited by at lest 3 Star Clan members, Firestar, Feathertail, and more important Millie. Millie's death made me cry becaused it showed how much Millie and Graystrip loved each other and she gave him a reason not to give up. He leaarned what a clan was really about and it is going to take a clan(s) working together to overcome the darkness that has consummed the clans by the lake. He also learned a lesson in hope. Hope was brought to his attention by I think it was Lily. He couldn't understand why the cats hadn't tried to get out of the house. When he was starting to move the board in the floor they became interested and wanted to know what they could do to help. He asked why they didn't seem interested earlier and Lily told him they saw hope. The cats in the house had been there for so long and in such filth that they lost hope. Iloved how he was able to see his son Stormfar and his family and then to be able to se Barley and to be able to see that RiverClans territory was still there. There is still a clan there now. I really liked the Bonus because we got to see the starting of a new SkyClan and Petunia was able to move forward after her loss of her twoleg whom she loved very much. She became the first medician cat and Nomkeystar the first leader with Fang as deputy.
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Post by whitestorm on Sept 6, 2020 17:35:40 GMT -5
Easy 9/10 from me but I'm also a nostalgic old prick. I don't understand why people get heated about super editions "not tying in" enough to the main books. It honestly bugged the hell out of me when they did that with Hawkwing's Journey and Tigerheart's Shadow. With Firestar's Quest, for example, there would have been no impact with or without it until A Vision of Shadows, or I suppose when it came time for Firestar to lose his last life. Does a fun book following the adventures of a fan favorite need to be "for" anything more than catharsis? Not to mention, we were given closure with Millie and probably Stormfur, we had the stage set for what is bound to be a tumultuous state of affairs at the lake when Darkness Within takes place, and we had the Moonstone, one avenue of possible "what ifs" from the cats seeking to re-establish contact with Starclan, eliminated. Some of you seem disappointed that the problem wasn't solved, or at least a solution hinted at, by the Moonstone; I think that would have been a cop-out and lazy writing. Won't it be far more intriguing to see the ingenuity and bravery of the Clans we've come to love be the necessary ingredient to save the day, not some shiny rock from books past?
P.S. I thought WarriorClan was dope as hell. WarriorClan slander is not permitted.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Sept 7, 2020 10:17:26 GMT -5
Except it did tie into TBC....the events occur during Darkness Within. They said it would tie into the main arc, never how much. I'm pretty sure they said that this story was necessary to tell or something, but honestly, it would have made no diff to TBC or in general if this story had never been told at all, not accomplishing anything besides forming a new Clan which I doubt will play a role in the future. The blurb says that he is on a quest to find an answer that can save it, but that never happens ^ it doesn't broaden anything about TBC But it did. It showed the state of mind and condition the clans were in because of the impostor issue. Some cats were obviously unhappy, some felt like they were out of place, some were resentful and confused, etc. Graystripe's POV was going back and forth between the current timeline and the past, to showcase the difference and how far they've come each generation. I think it's good that it also didn't give too much away when it came to the TBC plot, because honestly I'm tired of seeing huge spoilers in SE books. Like finding out Leafpool died between books, but having to read the SE that came out later to find out was frustrating. The original SE books focused on a character and their growth and change, like Bluestar, Tallstar, Yellowfang, etc and eventually tied in with the present timeline, but not in a significant way that it causes spoilers. I found that fact to be much more enjoyable tbh, heck even CT did something similar. Books like THS honestly ruin reading experiences. It's better that SE stay as "optional" reads like they originally were, and not necessary timeline inserts that you have to read in order to understand what's going on. Also if Barley is still alive, I'm pretty sure it's fine that Graystripe is too. That dude is ancient...
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Post by Spinestar on Sept 7, 2020 10:29:02 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure they said that this story was necessary to tell or something, but honestly, it would have made no diff to TBC or in general if this story had never been told at all, not accomplishing anything besides forming a new Clan which I doubt will play a role in the future. The blurb says that he is on a quest to find an answer that can save it, but that never happens ^ it doesn't broaden anything about TBC But it did. It showed the state of mind and condition the clans were in because of the impostor issue. Some cats were obviously unhappy, some felt like they were out of place, some were resentful and confused, etc. Graystripe's POV was going back and forth between the current timeline and the past, to showcase the difference and how far they've come each generation. I think it's good that it also didn't give too much away when it came to the TBC plot, because honestly I'm tired of seeing huge spoilers in SE books. Like finding out Leafpool died between books, but having to read the SE that came out later to find out was frustrating. The original SE books focused on a character and their growth and change, like Bluestar, Tallstar, Yellowfang, etc and eventually tied in with the present timeline, but not in a significant way that it causes spoilers. I found that fact to be much more enjoyable tbh, heck even CT did something similar. Books like THS honestly ruin reading experiences. It's better that SE stay as "optional" reads like they originally were, and not necessary timeline inserts that you have to read in order to understand what's going on. Also if Barley is still alive, I'm pretty sure it's fine that Graystripe is too. That dude is ancient... Well I feel like this SE was unnecessary and pointless as he doesn’t achieve finding something that can save TC from current tensions and the fact that if this SE had never been told, it wouldn’t have changed a thing. I don’t get why they would feature two ancient guys in a SE and keep them alive. BS idea
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Post by Brindlefern on Sept 7, 2020 10:31:23 GMT -5
But it did. It showed the state of mind and condition the clans were in because of the impostor issue. Some cats were obviously unhappy, some felt like they were out of place, some were resentful and confused, etc. Graystripe's POV was going back and forth between the current timeline and the past, to showcase the difference and how far they've come each generation. I think it's good that it also didn't give too much away when it came to the TBC plot, because honestly I'm tired of seeing huge spoilers in SE books. Like finding out Leafpool died between books, but having to read the SE that came out later to find out was frustrating. The original SE books focused on a character and their growth and change, like Bluestar, Tallstar, Yellowfang, etc and eventually tied in with the present timeline, but not in a significant way that it causes spoilers. I found that fact to be much more enjoyable tbh, heck even CT did something similar. Books like THS honestly ruin reading experiences. It's better that SE stay as "optional" reads like they originally were, and not necessary timeline inserts that you have to read in order to understand what's going on. Also if Barley is still alive, I'm pretty sure it's fine that Graystripe is too. That dude is ancient... Well I feel like this SE was unnecessary and pointless as he doesn’t achieve finding something that can save TC from current tensions and the fact that if this SE had never been told, it wouldn’t have changed a thing. I don’t get why they would feature two ancient guys in a SE and keep them alive. BS idea I rather an SE not tie majorly into the plot in regards to major events to the point it is a required read like Leafpool's Death in SqH or Tigerheart and Dovewing suddenly disappearing and Tigerheart suddenly being leader and us having no idea as to why unless we read ThS. Plus I hate that Barley and Graystripe still lives as much as you do, only because of how painful it is to read them longing for their mates like that. But it's not the worst SE ever just because they didn't kill a character you want.
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Post by Spinestar on Sept 7, 2020 10:37:48 GMT -5
Well I feel like this SE was unnecessary and pointless as he doesn’t achieve finding something that can save TC from current tensions and the fact that if this SE had never been told, it wouldn’t have changed a thing. I don’t get why they would feature two ancient guys in a SE and keep them alive. BS idea I rather an SE not tie majorly into the plot in regards to major events to the point it is a required read like Leafpool's Death in SqH or Tigerheart and Dovewing suddenly disappearing and Tigerheart suddenly being leader and us having no idea as to why unless we read ThS. Plus I hate that Barley and Graystripe still lives as much as you do, only because of how painful it is to read them longing for their mates like that. But it's not the worst SE ever just because they didn't kill a character you want. I never said that was the reason. Yes I hate that part and the fact that it doesn’t tie into the main series, but the main reason I hate it is cause Graystripe doesn’t achieve the reason he went to the Moonstone - he doesn’t speak with StarClan and doesn’t bring anything back that can help save TC. He just goes there and comes back with a “I belong in TC” attitude the only achievement being forming a Clan of kittypets we likely won’t see in future
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Post by Brindlefern on Sept 7, 2020 11:29:00 GMT -5
I rather an SE not tie majorly into the plot in regards to major events to the point it is a required read like Leafpool's Death in SqH or Tigerheart and Dovewing suddenly disappearing and Tigerheart suddenly being leader and us having no idea as to why unless we read ThS. Plus I hate that Barley and Graystripe still lives as much as you do, only because of how painful it is to read them longing for their mates like that. But it's not the worst SE ever just because they didn't kill a character you want. I never said that was the reason. Yes I hate that part and the fact that it doesn’t tie into the main series, but the main reason I hate it is cause Graystripe doesn’t achieve the reason he went to the Moonstone - he doesn’t speak with StarClan and doesn’t bring anything back that can help save TC. He just goes there and comes back with a “I belong in TC” attitude the only achievement being forming a Clan of kittypets we likely won’t see in future Expect it was never stated anywhere that he'd achieve his goal to reach Starclan on his journey, only that he HOPES to. He still got to the moonstone, what happened afterwards in terms of whether he'd succeed in getting what he wanted out of it however was always left up in the air before the books release.
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Post by whitestorm on Sept 7, 2020 11:32:22 GMT -5
I rather an SE not tie majorly into the plot in regards to major events to the point it is a required read like Leafpool's Death in SqH or Tigerheart and Dovewing suddenly disappearing and Tigerheart suddenly being leader and us having no idea as to why unless we read ThS. Plus I hate that Barley and Graystripe still lives as much as you do, only because of how painful it is to read them longing for their mates like that. But it's not the worst SE ever just because they didn't kill a character you want. I never said that was the reason. Yes I hate that part and the fact that it doesn’t tie into the main series, but the main reason I hate it is cause Graystripe doesn’t achieve the reason he went to the Moonstone - he doesn’t speak with StarClan and doesn’t bring anything back that can help save TC. He just goes there and comes back with a “I belong in TC” attitude the only achievement being forming a Clan of kittypets we likely won’t see in future Really? You would have wanted the story to follow exactly as indicated in the blurb? That would make these reads incredibly unexciting. Expectation subversion has been a pretty vital part of Warriors since its inception.
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Post by Spinestar on Sept 7, 2020 11:33:12 GMT -5
I never said that was the reason. Yes I hate that part and the fact that it doesn’t tie into the main series, but the main reason I hate it is cause Graystripe doesn’t achieve the reason he went to the Moonstone - he doesn’t speak with StarClan and doesn’t bring anything back that can help save TC. He just goes there and comes back with a “I belong in TC” attitude the only achievement being forming a Clan of kittypets we likely won’t see in future Expect it was never stated anywhere that he'd achieve his goal to reach Starclan on his journey, only that he HOPES to. He still got to the moonstone, what happened afterwards in terms of whether he'd succeed in getting what he wanted out of it however was always left up in the air before the books release. Alright well I still felt like this story was unnecessary and unimportant and not SE material, this would better fit a novella. I had high hopes and expectations for this book, none of which were met at all
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Post by Spinestar on Sept 7, 2020 11:34:26 GMT -5
I never said that was the reason. Yes I hate that part and the fact that it doesn’t tie into the main series, but the main reason I hate it is cause Graystripe doesn’t achieve the reason he went to the Moonstone - he doesn’t speak with StarClan and doesn’t bring anything back that can help save TC. He just goes there and comes back with a “I belong in TC” attitude the only achievement being forming a Clan of kittypets we likely won’t see in future Really? You would have wanted the story to follow exactly as indicated in the blurb? That would make these reads incredibly unexciting. Expectation subversion has been a pretty vital part of Warriors since its inception. He could have still had all the WarriorClan experience and eventually have chance to speak w StarClan, that wouldn’t make anything unexciting, still having the adventure he did
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Post by highprince on Sept 7, 2020 13:13:45 GMT -5
I’m so glad it didn’t heavily impact TBC. I absolutely hate when super editions like ThS and SqH are required reads to understand what the hell is happening. Imo, Crookedstar’s Promise and Tallstar’s Revenge are two of the best SEs and they had little to no bearing on the plot of TPB. Super editions are meant to expand on the world and characters, which is exactly what GV does.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 13:31:04 GMT -5
easy 9/10 for me. was a great character study, i found the characters introduced to be super endearing, i adore warriorclan, and im so, so happy that greystripe finally realized that a clan exists because individuals come together to care for each other, not because they have some religion.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2020 13:41:52 GMT -5
I agree with everyone saying that they're glad it didn't tie into strongly with the main series. SEs, Novellas, etc are supposed to be standalones, which means, they're not supposed to have a big impact on the main series, and vise versa. This SE is about Graystripe, his thoughts, his feelings, his personal journey, etc.
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Post by StormPlayz on Sept 10, 2020 9:40:23 GMT -5
Personally I didn't like that it had 0 impact, but I thought it was a good read with a good character study.
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