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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 22:07:30 GMT -5
Current mood: ![](https://img1.looper.com/img/uploads/2019/06/Steve-Carrell-Michael-Scott-crying-The-Office.jpg)
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 29, 2020 22:08:05 GMT -5
I LOVE Monkeystar! So, so much! And now Petunia is a true medicine cat. She was able to see Gremlin and I was very happy to see her again myself. It's also great that she was able to get closure on her Twoleg so she doesn't have to feel sad anymore.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 29, 2020 22:09:20 GMT -5
Current mood: ![](https://img1.looper.com/img/uploads/2019/06/Steve-Carrell-Michael-Scott-crying-The-Office.jpg) Same!
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Post by Fernstep on Aug 29, 2020 22:12:15 GMT -5
Jesus christ, what a disappointment. Not just Graystripe still being alive, but even going out of their way to tell us that Barley is old and suffering and just wants to be with Ravenpaw again and then leaving him alive by the end of the book...
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 29, 2020 22:14:39 GMT -5
As much as I love the content of this book, I feel like it didn't add much to the current story? Am I the only one who feels that way? I suspect that’s the point; they wanted a stand alone story After so many SEs that were tied in the the main series.
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Post by *Faith* on Aug 29, 2020 22:17:00 GMT -5
Thanks for the spoilers.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 29, 2020 22:17:34 GMT -5
I wish they'd shown more of Graystripe coming home and the clan's reaction, though I guess they're trying to avoid spoilers?
I also think it's interesting they seem to kind of confirm a heaven for twolegs? At least, that's the feeling I got
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 29, 2020 22:20:39 GMT -5
I wish they'd shown more of Graystripe coming home and the clan's reaction, though I guess they're trying to avoid spoilers?
I also think it's interesting they seem to kind of confirm a heaven for twolegs? At least, that's the feeling I got Agreed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 22:20:49 GMT -5
Is this Fang? ![](https://i.imgur.com/mvesfI0.png) It makes me wonder if the manga that is suspected to be coming out is about him. Or maybe...plot twist: Mudclaw is Fang's father.
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Post by Fireleap on Aug 29, 2020 22:22:32 GMT -5
This book seems like a fun read, but I don't think it amounted to much. We're likely never going to see WarriorClan again, so that's another interesting group with wasted potential (The Guardian Cats, The Kin, etc.) and it doesn't seem like Graystripe learned that much. We all knew he was loyal to ThunderClan, and if the "big lesson" he's bringing back to the Clans turns out to be "we don't need StarClan to be a Clan" I'll be really disappointed. Isn't that what Flipclaw said in the beginning? But the biggest wasted potential in this story is not bringing the other warriors along with him. We could've had some great character development and growth for Thornclaw, Flipclaw, Flywhisker, and Snaptooth but they were shunted aside super quickly. This reminds me of the early Super Editions, but while they had the advantage of not really tying into the main arcs when they were published, this came out in the post-HJ era where all the Super Editions (Aside from CT) strongly tied into the main arcs. GV was hyped up to be like one of those, but this could have been published at any time. It sounds like a good read, but it's also disappointing that we didn't get something more substantial during our wait for DW to come out.
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Post by whiteflight on Aug 29, 2020 22:23:43 GMT -5
This SE is making me want to cry. It shows the past when Graystripe was deputy and the current time it bring back so many memories of me reading TPB, TNP, and the SE's that were in the old forest. I love Warriorclan they're so adorable and it's great reading about them. I also love how Graystripe was also able to take some time to catch up on things with his son. I wish Graystripe was able to meet Starclan but it made since why he couldn't cause they moved to the Moonpool and left the Moonstone. This whole SE is just taking me down memory lane and it makes me smile to see how much everything changed and to see how strong Graystripe still is even if he's an elder.
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Post by highprince on Aug 29, 2020 22:45:37 GMT -5
While I wish that the other cats that left with Graystripe stuck around for longer, I'm glad that this arc doesn't tie into TBC too heavily. I'm sick of Super Editions that you have to read to understand the main series - they're supposed to expand on the world, not be a required read. That being said, this seemed like a fun Super Edition, and I love WarriorClan and their manga. I hope we get to see more of them, but that's unlikely.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Aug 29, 2020 22:51:59 GMT -5
As much as I love the content of this book, I feel like it didn't add much to the current story? Am I the only one who feels that way? You’re not the only one. I do wish it tied into the current story a bit more, even though I was glad it wrapped up loose ends. And it does feel like a bit of a repeat of what Firestar did with Skyclan. This sad thing is, unlike Skyclan, because there’s probably that many adventures they can write about in the old forest, it’s unlikely we will ever see the cats introduced here from the old forest again. Heck, even Skyclan had issues with this until vision of shadows, and The new characters and their way of life is so interesting that’s frustrating to see that happen again.
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Post by alphayamergo on Aug 29, 2020 22:52:33 GMT -5
I wish they'd shown more of Graystripe coming home and the clan's reaction, though I guess they're trying to avoid spoilers?
I also think it's interesting they seem to kind of confirm a heaven for twolegs? At least, that's the feeling I got Graystripe actually getting home, probably: ![](https://media.tenor.com/images/62bc398c9c49e922f72a1e0647951928/tenor.gif)
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Post by Haze on Aug 29, 2020 22:52:34 GMT -5
That's it, move out Skyclan, Warriorclan is my favorite clan now and Monkeystar is the best leader.
Anyway, it's subtle but it looks that the SE have hints about the situation of Starclan in the Broken Code, and that the clans might be ready to move on and continue united without them.
Thanks for the spoilers.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Aug 29, 2020 23:15:18 GMT -5
I hope that’s not the case with the rest of TBC. It’d be understandable if Starclan wasn’t so involved in the Clans’ lives, but they are and they’ve been a part of the clans culture for so long that moving on without them just doesn’t feel right. I could see it happening temporarily, but not permanently. Wow! Wild ride! I suspect we’ve just found who arc 8 is going to be about, though. What do you mean? I didn’t see any spoilers for who is going to be a protagonist in arc 8, if there even is an eighth arc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2020 23:31:00 GMT -5
I'll take an eighth arc centered on WarriorClan in a heartbeat.
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Post by wheeledwarrior on Aug 29, 2020 23:49:11 GMT -5
I'll take an eighth arc centered on WarriorClan in a heartbeat. What would they do though? The forest is destroyed, and there was already a similar concept with the original stories of Skyclan.
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 29, 2020 23:57:03 GMT -5
I'll take an eighth arc centered on WarriorClan in a heartbeat. What would they do though? The forest is destroyed, and there was already a similar concept with the original stories of Skyclan. Or take it right back to Into the Wild with a kittypet wanting to join Warriorclan.
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Post by Showers on Aug 30, 2020 0:01:12 GMT -5
Jesus christ, what a disappointment. Not just Graystripe still being alive, but even going out of their way to tell us that Barley is old and suffering and just wants to be with Ravenpaw again and then leaving him alive by the end of the book... we'll get a proper conclusion in whatever novella/SE/bonus scene/etc they are planning about warriorclan.
but yeah, super disappointed.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 30, 2020 0:02:52 GMT -5
yeaaaah i dont think i'll be buying this SE or reading it for myself. based off these spoilers, it's lowkey disappointing...
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 30, 2020 0:13:17 GMT -5
my thoughts: I am nostalgia's b****, so this SE was a hard read. Reliving the Old Forest memories while Graystripe revisited old haunts is the definition of bittersweet.
After all this time, it was nice to see Graystripe's character fleshed out in a way that only comes from seeing his POV. I especially liked Past Graystripe's realization that he prefers to support than to lead.
But I don't think his present journey was useless. I haven't ready TBC, but my impression is that there seems two distinct sides: one that overly relies on StarClan's guidance, and one that rejects or dismisses its importance all together. Graystripe's realization strikes an important balance. He recognizes that StarClan is important and has good purpose in Clan life, but that it is not an absolute necessity, and their ancestors should not function as a crutch.
I actually will be surprised if we do not see WarriorClan again. Either in a novella, manga, etc. It felt (judging by these summaries) like there were a few loose ends meant to be tied off at another time (such as other cats living in the barn, Barley's death, their own ancestors, etc). Not so many as to feel unfinished but enough to entice a followup book if the concept is popular enough with readers.
As to whether they are a "second SkyClan" and offer no new story potential, I quite disagree. The biggest difference is that SkyClan was directly descended from the original clans and was rebuilt from established traditions. Firestar and Sandstorm taught them very forest-specific things like the Warrior Code. Seems like WarriorClan was left more or less by Graystripe to develop according to its own devices. It would be really cool to see how they grow differently from the clans (who had a very different origin story), what their version of a code would look like, etc. Lots of potential.
Was it clarified in the book what the kittypets did about their housefolk? Monkeystar, Fireface, Clawwhistle, etc were all mentioned to be kittypets but in the summary/mangas it is unclear if they went completely feral or if they're doing a daylight warrior thing.
as for the plot itself: i think it was very entertaining emotionally for old fans, but the story did leave a little to be desired. the climax seems a bit muted. and while i liked graystripe's final conclusion about StarClan, I'm not sure the SE accomplished much besides flesh out his character a bit. it doesn't necessarily have to tie into the main arc (i prefer it doesn't) but even on its own, not much truly exciting happens. it's more like "aw cute!" "oh nostalgia" "poor twoleg"
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 30, 2020 0:35:50 GMT -5
I kind of wonder if this SE was more to act as a send off for Graystripe
Like, he'll die soon, but they wanted to give him one last journey and flesh him out more since he's the last OG cat around and I think a lot of people complained about Sandstorm's death being bleh
At least Graystripe has tied up some loose ends and we get to see his POV on his two mates and kits, which people have argued over a lot (Silverstream vs Millie...when it's clear they're both VERY loved by Graystripe).
And he sees Stormfur one last time
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Post by Hollyfall on Aug 30, 2020 1:04:54 GMT -5
Tbh I'd encourage people to read the book first and make a final judgement there. Anyways, my thoughts on it: I think this is one of the better SEs out there. Certainly one of the better ones we've gotten in recent years, in my opinion. Throughout the book, I barely saw any inconsistencies and I only counted two or three mistakes. That's...surprisingly good for a Warriors book. A super edition no less. I liked that it wasn't too heavily tied to the plot of TBC and you could understand the narrative without reading the other books, something I think all other SEs rely on. This one gives you enough information to get a grip of what's going on, and still care about the characters. The book was pretty emotional and gave me a lot of nostalgia. TPB and TNP fans I think would love this book. Despite the two different storylines taking place, I think the book did an exceptional job of keeping them balanced and keeping me interested in both. It subverted my expectations in some ways too. I did not expect the Moonstone to just be...goddamn obliterated seemingly by Zeus and I was surprised to see that Graystripe didn't die.
I quite liked Graystripe's characterization. In the past segments, he's constantly second guessing himself and has to deal with the burden of leadership. I think the book shows that leadership isn't easy, especially when Graystripe isn't the "true" leader of ThunderClan in a sense, he's only filling in for his best friend. In the present chapters, he's shutting himself down constantly because of his age and how misplaced he feels in ThunderClan. He did realize at the end of both segments that despite those, he can do great things. He's very, very apparent that he loves both Millie and Silverstream a lot, and he misses both of them dearly. He loves his kits as well. Graystripe also pretty obviously misses all the friends he's lost along the way, and I think it's quite sad that he's effectively the last of his generation. He and Barley were nice though, and I'm glad they got to reunite. I liked seeing his final goodbyes with Barley and Stormfur.
I liked the inclusion of WarriorClan, and I hope we can see more of them in the future. One tiny nitpick I have is that a lot of the cats (BloodClan, cats who joined WarriorClan) were unnamed, but that's just me.
That said, I do feel the plot left a bit to be desired. Not that it was bad, but the book more or less just established Graystripe's character more and made him realize that the Clans don't need StarClan to be unified or live together. I wish we also saw more of Thornclaw, Flipclaw, Snaptooth, and Flywhisker. We know Flipclaw planned to go back to ThunderClan, but what about the other three? Snaptooth and Flywhisker hadn't decided yet, and Thornclaw just up and left them. I'm guessing and hoping it'll be explained in a later book and the editors just don't make them vanish from the canon.
Overall, I'd say it's an 8/10 for me. Definitely one of the better Super Editions we've gotten in my opinion.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 30, 2020 10:00:15 GMT -5
I will say there were three main things I didn't like: first, the retroactive vilification of Ashfur. I don't mind him being a bit ornery like Cloudtail, but the SE went out of its way to establish Ashfur as particularly awful. It felt clunky and obvious and unnecessary. Just make him Background Cat #3.
Second, I still feel like so many ThunderClan cats believing Firestar and Sandstorm (y'know, the most independent she-cat ever) ran off to be kittypets is dumb. One or two cats muttering suspicions, sure, but most of the clan? Nah. It's not even the first time Firestar left on a journey for StarClan.
Third, and finally--I've mentioned it elsewhere before-- I do not like the retconned shortening of the distance between Lake and Forest. Yes, I know traveling is deadly boring. But to me it really knocks the stuffing out of the Great Journey. Cats died on the way from the dangers. Elders stayed behind because they couldn't make it/would just be a liability. Now old fart Graystripe can make it in less than a week and back with no issue. It feels like they just go visit the Forest/Mountains whenever they feel like a holiday and it's no longer considered this great, arduous journey.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 30, 2020 11:30:43 GMT -5
*raises glass* Cheers to the end of a wonderful book! We certainly deserved it after the mess that was SqH.
Graystripe's Vow left me with such a warm, happy feeling in my heart. It's been quite a long time since I felt that way, especially after reading a Warriors book.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 30, 2020 12:12:14 GMT -5
*raises glass* Cheers to the end of a wonderful book! We certainly deserved it after the mess that was SqH. Graystripe's Vow left me with such a warm, happy feeling in my heart. It's been quite a long time since I felt that way, especially after reading a Warriors book. Oh jeez, SqH truly was awful now that I remember it, in comparison, Graystripe's Vow is a saint.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Aug 30, 2020 17:30:10 GMT -5
Breaking news: WarriorClan is best clan. But we all knew that.
Also glad we got to see Barley once again and sad the Moonstone got destroyed. I hope Barley gets to see Ravenpaw soon, I know he misses him. I’m happy Graystripe got to meet Stormfur’s kits. It was a bit bittersweet when he realized that would be the last time they would see each other. Oh, and WarriorClan saving those cats! They are so precious and I hope they thrive.
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Post by andy on Aug 31, 2020 19:10:06 GMT -5
not over the name monkeystar.
i would love a series about WarriorClan and even the invention of more new Clans. admittedly getting tired of constant 5 main Clans. I want to see new ones
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Post by Jaysnow on Aug 31, 2020 20:09:41 GMT -5
Overall, this book seems pretty decent! A lot better than the recent Super Editions. I'm looking forward to reading it.
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