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Post by epicstyle on Aug 10, 2020 12:18:00 GMT -5
Which two or more characters had a really promising dynamic to you, but eventually fell flat? This doesn't have to be strictly romantic, it could also be familial or just a friendship. And how would you go about fixing them? Here are mine:
1. Alderheart and Needletail
I always feel sad when thinking about what these two could have been. Both of their characters were great on their own in TAQ, and I thought they were great together in the book. Whether it was a friendship or romantic relationship, Alderheart and Needletail could have had a very complex relationship that could have driven the plot of AVOS. But sadly, Needletail was never the same character after TAQ and Alderheart just kinda faded into irrelevancy. As for how I'd go about fixing them, I'd start by keeping their characters consistent. I'd still have Darktail and the Kin invade the lake, but maybe instead of Needlepaw inviting them they could just track Alderpaw and Needlepaw back to the lake. Needletail could still side with the Kin at first, but maybe has a change of heart out of concern for Violetpaw.
2. Firestar and Scourge
It was retconned that Firestar and Scourge are half brothers, but I don't remember it being brought up in TDH and it certainly had no impact on the plot. And Scourge and BloodClan's introduction in the last book of the arc felt really forced and kinda took away from the climax of the story. (Save for the shock value of Tigerstar's death.) I'd fix these issues by introducing Tiny at the same time as Rusty and Smudge in ITW. Have him present as a kittypet when Rusty leaves for the forest, and maybe have him pop up here and there like Smudge did in the later books. (IDK how this would fit timing wise, i never read Rise of Scourge.) With this small change, it would make BloodClan's introduction feel less forced and would be a good twist to have Firestar's brother side with his worst enemy. This would give the final fight with Scourge much more emotional weight since in this version of the story Firestar would be aware of his kinship with Scourge. It would also give the original arc the theme of how one's environment can affect who they are, since Firestar and Scourge were both kittypets together but turned out polar opposites of each other.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 12:21:07 GMT -5
Cherryfall and Stormcloud
Bramblestar/Tawnypelt/Tigerstar and Mothwing
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Aug 10, 2020 12:22:49 GMT -5
I feel like the bonds between adoptive families tend to be forgotten. The three rarely acknowledged Squirrelflight and Brambleclaw after the reveal and Twigbranch rarely brings up her foster family.
Also with Firestar and Scourge, it's actually pretty heavily hinted (especially in the Pinestar novella) that Jake was Quince's mate and confirmed that he's Firestar's father. Not that it really matters to me since it was never acknowledged in series.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 10, 2020 12:38:46 GMT -5
foxleap and dovewing. i feel like they should have at least bonded more as friends since they went on a journey to the mountains together.
also bracken and cinder. the series seemed to forget they were siblings and brackenfur literally didn't react at all to her dying for his mate/kits.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 13:46:34 GMT -5
graystripe and darkstripe - they're half brothers (willowpelt was re-confirmed as his mother in the SE preview), and being that gray always had a bunch of animosity toward him i'd wonder how he felt when he killed him. this is just a little bit of trivia tho, so it probably won't get elaborated on
mudclaw and tornear - tornear was mudclaw's brother iirc, and i'd just love to see what was going on in his head during windclan's civil war back in tnp
alderneedle and aldervelvet - you mentioned how alder and needle had decent chemistry in TAQ, that's the main reason i care about it. both pretty good ships, and a lot of wasted potential, but that kinda goes for alderheart in the whole of avos... like he gets forgotten past book 2
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 10, 2020 14:52:01 GMT -5
I honestly really would have liked to see Jayfeather reject Half Moon because he didn't like her rather than the attempted epic love story we got.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 10, 2020 17:53:31 GMT -5
It was retconned that Firestar and Scourge are half brothers, but I don't remember it being brought up in TDH and it certainly had no impact on the plot. And Scourge and BloodClan's introduction in the last book of the arc felt really forced and kinda took away from the climax of the story. (Save for the shock value of Tigerstar's death.) I'd fix these issues by introducing Tiny at the same time as Rusty and Smudge in ITW. Have him present as a kittypet when Rusty leaves for the forest, and maybe have him pop up here and there like Smudge did in the later books. (IDK how this would fit timing wise, i never read Rise of Scourge.) With this small change, it would make BloodClan's introduction feel less forced and would be a good twist to have Firestar's brother side with his worst enemy. This would give the final fight with Scourge much more emotional weight since in this version of the story Firestar would be aware of his kinship with Scourge. It would also give the original arc the theme of how one's environment can affect who they are, since Firestar and Scourge were both kittypets together but turned out polar opposites of each other. wouldn't really work with the timeline. scourge is quite a bit older than firestar, because he was an older kit around the time tigerstar was an apprentice (TROS) and prior to Bluestar even being deputy (BP). he was around and in power long enough to cause a young barley to flee twolegplace at least before firestar was apprenticed. so in all likelihood, scourge was already in power before firestar left his housefolk.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2020 19:35:58 GMT -5
Wind Runnner/Gorse Fur and Willow Tail, like they had that bonus scene of them saving her and her brother's life, and it is never brought up or hinted at after that?
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Aug 10, 2020 19:45:44 GMT -5
AlderheartxVelvet.. I dont rly know why im saying this tho tbh
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 0:05:33 GMT -5
Ivypool x Fernsong. I like them, but they're definitely NOT "well developed" like ppl say they are. They flirted like two times in a couple of books. Then we were promised that Fernsong would be watching Ivypool's kits while she was out on patrol, and we never got to see that. >.> tbh i think these ppl just say they're "well developed" out of spite because a few ppl like DovexTiger and wanted Lesbian Ivypool. These two are fine together, but they're definitely not the best couple in the universe, lol.
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 11, 2020 6:29:46 GMT -5
graystripe and darkstripe - they're half brothers (willowpelt was re-confirmed as his mother in the SE preview), and being that gray always had a bunch of animosity toward him i'd wonder how he felt when he killed him. this is just a little bit of trivia tho, so it probably won't get elaborated on mudclaw and tornear - tornear was mudclaw's brother iirc, and i'd just love to see what was going on in his head during windclan's civil war back in tnp alderneedle and aldervelvet - you mentioned how alder and needle had decent chemistry in TAQ, that's the main reason i care about it. both pretty good ships, and a lot of wasted potential, but that kinda goes for alderheart in the whole of avos... like he gets forgotten past book 2 I’m hoping we get some detail regarding Graystripe and Darkstripe in GV.
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Post by epicstyle on Aug 11, 2020 8:40:04 GMT -5
It was retconned that Firestar and Scourge are half brothers, but I don't remember it being brought up in TDH and it certainly had no impact on the plot. And Scourge and BloodClan's introduction in the last book of the arc felt really forced and kinda took away from the climax of the story. (Save for the shock value of Tigerstar's death.) I'd fix these issues by introducing Tiny at the same time as Rusty and Smudge in ITW. Have him present as a kittypet when Rusty leaves for the forest, and maybe have him pop up here and there like Smudge did in the later books. (IDK how this would fit timing wise, i never read Rise of Scourge.) With this small change, it would make BloodClan's introduction feel less forced and would be a good twist to have Firestar's brother side with his worst enemy. This would give the final fight with Scourge much more emotional weight since in this version of the story Firestar would be aware of his kinship with Scourge. It would also give the original arc the theme of how one's environment can affect who they are, since Firestar and Scourge were both kittypets together but turned out polar opposites of each other. wouldn't really work with the timeline. scourge is quite a bit older than firestar, because he was an older kit around the time tigerstar was an apprentice (TROS) and prior to Bluestar even being deputy (BP). he was around and in power long enough to cause a young barley to flee twolegplace at least before firestar was apprenticed. so in all likelihood, scourge was already in power before firestar left his housefolk. Yeah, I was thinking about that when writing the original post. I guess for this idea to work, TROS would have to be removed from canon. Or maybe just have Tiny stick around the twolegplace for longer? IDK like I said I haven't read TROS so I'm kinda just taking shots in the dark lol.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 11, 2020 9:36:16 GMT -5
wouldn't really work with the timeline. scourge is quite a bit older than firestar, because he was an older kit around the time tigerstar was an apprentice (TROS) and prior to Bluestar even being deputy (BP). he was around and in power long enough to cause a young barley to flee twolegplace at least before firestar was apprenticed. so in all likelihood, scourge was already in power before firestar left his housefolk. Yeah, I was thinking about that when writing the original post. I guess for this idea to work, TROS would have to be removed from canon. Or maybe just have Tiny stick around the twolegplace for longer? IDK like I said I haven't read TROS so I'm kinda just taking shots in the dark lol. you would also have to discount Barley's account in Darkest Hour, and Bluestar's POV of the Tigerpaw x Tiny scene in BP. It's pretty firmly entrenched in canon.
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Post by crowspirit on Aug 11, 2020 9:42:10 GMT -5
Crowfeather and Mudclaw - They were mentor and apprentice and yet Crowfeather sided against him in the WindClan civil war. I'd like to know why.
Tigerstar and Whitestorm - They practically grew up alongside each other and yet we never really see them interact.
On a similar note, Tigerstar and Goldenflower. We had no interaction between them, not even during Tigerclaw's exile or his Novella.
Bluestar and Thistleclaw - I really don't like how Bluestar turned out to be right. I would have liked to see Thistleclaw not being that bad, and Bluestar realizing that, and them grudgingly learning to respect each other, like Firestar and Dustpelt.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 9:54:02 GMT -5
Crowfeather and Mudclaw - They were mentor and apprentice and yet Crowfeather sided against him in the WindClan civil war. I'd like to know why. Tigerstar and Whitestorm - They practically grew up alongside each other and yet we never really see them interact. On a similar note, Tigerstar and Goldenflower. We had no interaction between them, not even during Tigerclaw's exile or his Novella. Bluestar and Thistleclaw - I really don't like how Bluestar turned out to be right. I would have liked to see Thistleclaw not being that bad, and Bluestar realizing that, and them grudgingly learning to respect each other, like Firestar and Dustpelt. I can think of two reasons why Crowfeather sided with Onewhisker, 1. Ashfoot, his mother, sided with him, and was Onewhisker's deputy choice. 2. He probably figured it's what Leafpool would have wanted.
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Post by thehiddenicewolf on Aug 11, 2020 12:17:08 GMT -5
All of Frostfur's kits interacting with wach other Cinderheart x Lionblaze
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Post by Cloverƒall on Aug 11, 2020 12:51:14 GMT -5
FernXIvy >>> Not one Fernsong and the kits scene?! Bracken/Cinder >>> Sorreltail seemed sadder she died than Brackenfur. Fire/Scourge >>> Imagine how dramatic it would've been. Jake/Fire >>> I wanted a wholesome scene of Firestar meeting his daddy. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/6575102/images/RCFqazfvhbMAeE5hIhD3.gif)
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 11, 2020 19:42:06 GMT -5
A sister relationship between Tawnypelt and Mothwing. I'll be surprised if anyone (in the Warriors-verse) remembers that they're half sisters. I'll be even more surprised if they've even spoken with each other, or even know that they've got an extra sister.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2020 19:49:58 GMT -5
A sister relationship between Tawnypelt and Mothwing. I'll be surprised if anyone (in the Warriors-verse) remembers that they're half sisters. I'll be even more surprised if they've even spoken with each other, or even know that they've got an extra sister. There might be a chance of sister bonding between them in book 4 of TBC, that is one thing I'm slightly excited about with this arc. However, if it doesn't happen >.< >.< Then what was the point?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 12:16:59 GMT -5
A sister relationship between Tawnypelt and Mothwing. I'll be surprised if anyone (in the Warriors-verse) remembers that they're half sisters. I'll be even more surprised if they've even spoken with each other, or even know that they've got an extra sister. Its bullshit that bramble forgot about moth. he spent so much time with hawk, so it feels like no one cares about her??? I know shes a busy medicine cat but come on... moth deserves some love too ❤️
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