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Post by pepinor on Aug 8, 2020 20:13:41 GMT -5
are there any main series books, se, novellas or mangas, that you feel are getting more than they actually deserve?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 20:23:54 GMT -5
Tallstar's Revenge. Majority of the book was very dull, and I didn't like Talltail's blood hungry POV. Too little of Jake.
And if it counts, POT and OOTS as a whole. I watched a lot of MAPs pertaining to the characters and events before my initial read. I guess I hyped myself up too much, because when I did reach those arcs I was really let down. POT had its good moments, I liked Eclipse and Sunrise, as well as all the drama. However, I found the arc boring and directionless overall, and I expected more from the new characters (Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and especially Sol). OOTS was just...yikes. Left a bad taste in my mouth and made me stop reading the books for a while.
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Post by Oceanmist97 on Aug 8, 2020 20:34:08 GMT -5
Crookedstar's Promise and Tallstar's Revenge, mainly the latter. I just do not get the hype for either of these books.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2020 20:39:10 GMT -5
I'm going to have to agree with the majority so far about Tallstar's Revenge, I really liked the first half, but I found the second half a bit boring. Crookedstar's Promise is another one that I didn't see understand the hype for, same with Bluestar's Prophecy. However, the book that I think is absolutely the most overrated, is Hawkwing's Journey.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 8, 2020 23:41:44 GMT -5
skyclanโs destiny was dull
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 9, 2020 3:19:24 GMT -5
To go against the grain and actually say a main series book, A Dangerous Path. It's not bad at all, I just don't understand why people trot it out as their favorite when both Into the Wild and Forest of Secrets exist. ADP to me feels like... a book. Like, it does its job and is a solid entry in the series, but it's by no means stellar.
So many people who hate Po3 say Eclipse is the least terrible, which I find funny because it's my least favorite in the arc, lol. It's still good though, I just find the other five better.
Same deal with OotS. Everyone loves (or at least tolerates) The Forgotten Warrior and hates the rest of the arc. I have the exact same opinion on it as I do toward ADP above.
TBC as a whole is severely overrated. I've seen multiple people hail it as the best Warriors arc ever written and I'm just like... fam. At least wait until it's finished to give it a trophy, come on.
Dovewing's Silence appears to be relatively well-liked. Not loved by anyone, but I never see any hate for it that doesn't come from my own mouth. So yeah, I hate this book. Stopped reading Warriors for four years because of this shit. It's fine if you like it, I just... don't. At all.
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Post by Cloverฦall on Aug 9, 2020 6:40:55 GMT -5
Crookedstar's Promise. I don't hate it, but people mainly love to throw Crookedstar a pity party, which is the main reason it's so praised. I just don't get the hype.
TPB is full of classic "enter the hero" tropes. It's well-written, yes, but it's a pretty basic arc. PoT is (although very bashed) is actually more creative in plot line imo.
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Post by porridgeho on Aug 13, 2020 13:27:50 GMT -5
Tallstar's Revenge. Majority of the book was very dull, and I didn't like Talltail's blood hungry POV. Too little of Jake. And if it counts, POT and OOTS as a whole. I watched a lot of MAPs pertaining to the characters and events before my initial read. I guess I hyped myself up too much, because when I did reach those arcs I was really let down. POT had its good moments, I liked Eclipse and Sunrise, as well as all the drama. However, I found the arc boring and directionless overall, and I expected more from the new characters (Hollyleaf, Lionblaze and especially Sol). OOTS was just...yikes. Left a bad taste in my mouth and made me stop reading the books for a while. I have to agree about POT and OOTS. I'm not sure what this would've looked like or how it would've changed the plot, but POT and OOTS were so dull that I wished they would've just combined them into one 6-book arc instead of dragging it out into 12. TPB will always be my favorite arc and it always felt like it was action-packed and had lots of revelations the entire time. I feel like the revelation about Holly, Jay, and Lion being Leafpool's kits could've happened by halfway through and Dovepaw could've been introduced and had her arc leading to the Great Battle in the second half. I actually liked Tallstar's Revenge a lot, but Firestar's Quest and SkyClan's Destiny were definitely my least favorite SE's.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 13:59:14 GMT -5
dovewings silence - its not the worst book but ppl act like she changed a lot just because shes been away from tigerheart but this isnt anything new to her character. dovewing has left tigerheart before and came back to him. she has always loved her clanmates and wanted what was best for them, and always wanted things to be fair. this isnt anything new or refreshing to her character. i never saw much of a difference to her growth from this book, and all of that went down the drain anyways since she ditched her clan for him again
crowfeathers trial - im sick of ppl praising this book like its one of the best ones. its incredibly inconsistent, and everyone is an asshole. nightcloud is an asshole and blamed crowfeather for everything, breezepelt acted like the victim, and crowfeather was an asshole to everyone. everyone was a jerk, but my problem with this book is that ppl pressured crowfeather to get along w/ his family, which is NOT a good example on how to solve your problems. nightcloud blamed crowfeather for everything when she was partly at fault for her own shitty actions, breezepelt acted like the victim, onestar wasnt reasonable, and the entire clan acted like jerks. the only thing i liked was that breezepelt apologized to jayfeather and lionblaze, which shows a lot of maturity and its sad that nightcloud and crowfeather never did this. Im glad everyone made amends, but blaming ppl and forcing someone to do something isnt the right way to do that. this book gives off bad vibes, and it only exists to please the fans. nightcloud is seemingly well respected in this book when no one gave a shit about her before. sorry if that sounds harsh but its true. a persons thread proves this. she didnt do shit to earn the respect, even going as far as wanting riverclan to suffer. but i know her stans will excuse this shit.
tldr; crowfeathers trial is an inconsistent, fanservice book that only existed because the fans glued these ideas of night being respected and everyone hating crow into cheriths head. breeze was done better out of both of his parents but even he had some issues that i didnt like.breeze dealt w/ a lot of issues, so its not like he got away with shit, but im bothered that nobody remembered that he attacked a windclan cat?? surely someone saw that? im also bothered that jayfeather didnt bring up that he almost killed poppyfrost?? that should have been in the book. but still, i prefer it over Crow and night, cause those two bickered the entire book and it was so ****ing annoying, pin pointing the blame at who's fault this was. breezepelt recognized his own actions and was the first to redeem himself out of those two and worked hard to earn forgiveness and trust back. idk, i dont like ct. ppl are free to like it, but the inconsistencies bother me a lot.
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Post by Fireleap on Aug 13, 2020 16:07:30 GMT -5
Hawkwing's Journey and Shattered Sky.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 16:17:52 GMT -5
Hawkwing's Journey and Shattered Sky. What happened in Shattered Sky again? Was that where Onestar finally died? Also, I just noticed your profile picture LOL
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 17:01:19 GMT -5
all of themtpb honestly
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Post by Emberstar ๐ฅ on Aug 13, 2020 17:04:37 GMT -5
Tnp the whole of it except sunset
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Post by Fireleap on Aug 13, 2020 17:56:15 GMT -5
Chicken SkyClan returns to the lake and both Onestar and Darktail die. It wasn't a bad book, I just don't think it's the amazing book a lot of people claim it is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2020 17:59:41 GMT -5
Chicken SkyClan returns to the lake and both Onestar and Darktail die. It wasn't a bad book, I just don't think it's the amazing book a lot of people claim it is. The one part that makes it a cut above the rest, is that Onestar FINALLY dies. I honestly don't remember what else happens. But it's kind of annoying that Onestar died before facing any repercussions
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Post by Emberstar ๐ฅ on Aug 13, 2020 18:10:07 GMT -5
LS was just a bad intro to TBC to me.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 13, 2020 22:17:12 GMT -5
Bluestar's Prophecy, Hawkwing's Journey, Tallstar's Revenge (4/10 Not enough Jake)
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Post by highprince on Aug 13, 2020 22:21:51 GMT -5
TPB and TBC. I think they're kind of same/opposite cases, where people put TPB on a pedestal because it was the first and TBC doesn't get as criticized because it's still shiny and new. That being said, I like both arcs, I just don't think they're as great as people say they are.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 13, 2020 22:34:55 GMT -5
TPB and TBC. I think they're kind of same/opposite cases, where people put TPB on a pedestal because it was the last and TBC doesn't get as criticized because it's still shiny and new. That being said, I like both arcs, I just don't think they're as great as people say they are. These two arcs also have the high distinction of being the only arcs where people will be actually offended if you dislike them. I personally have never shown dislike for TPB, but I've seen people who have get absolutely blasted. It's like saying you dislike TPB shakes some people to their core and they immediately target you for execution. TBC is getting better; ever since VoS came out and more people found flaws in it, it's become more acceptable to dislike it. But right after LS and TSiT came out, being a TBC naysayer was unheard of. It's a different kind of vitriol than the TPB dislikers experience. TPB dislikers get angry and emotional responses, TBC dislikers get a more condescending "you just don't appreciate it" kind of response. All of the other arcs you can actually have a conversation about. These two are like a fuse.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Aug 13, 2020 22:38:54 GMT -5
The entirety of the first arc comes to mind, as well as HJ.
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Post by highprince on Aug 13, 2020 22:47:24 GMT -5
TPB and TBC. I think they're kind of same/opposite cases, where people put TPB on a pedestal because it was the last and TBC doesn't get as criticized because it's still shiny and new. That being said, I like both arcs, I just don't think they're as great as people say they are. These two arcs also have the high distinction of being the only arcs where people will be actually offended if you dislike them. I personally have never shown dislike for TPB, but I've seen people who have get absolutely blasted. It's like saying you dislike TPB shakes some people to their core and they immediately target you for execution. TBC is getting better; ever since VoS came out and more people found flaws in it, it's become more acceptable to dislike it. But right after LS and TSiT came out, being a TBC naysayer was unheard of. It's a different kind of vitriol than the TPB dislikers experience. TPB dislikers get angry and emotional responses, TBC dislikers get a more condescending "you just don't appreciate it" kind of response. All of the other arcs you can actually have a conversation about. These two are like a fuse. Ikr. I added that last sentence onto my original post just so people wouldn't miss the point and get on my case for not liking the arc. At least it's easier to talk about TBC's flaws, but everyone seems to have such nostalgia for TPB that it's hard to criticize any major points of it aside from "I don't like this character." It's got a total cult following. "TBC dislikers get a more condescending "you just don't appreciate it" kind of response." Oh, totally. It kind of reminds me of the Rick and Morty memes about needing a high IQ to understand. Like, just because you like the arc and think it's different from the others doesn't mean it's objectively good lmao
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Aug 14, 2020 21:33:55 GMT -5
The newer se's for sure. I found CT to be dull and terribly boring.(if it had been shorter it would have been a better book imo) I'm halfway through SH but that was two months ago, so that tells you something. And the OOTS arc, except Last Hope is overrated. How is OotS overrated? It's one of the most unpopular arcs in the fandom.
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are shorts shorts or are they just long pants?
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Post by fangbranch on Aug 14, 2020 23:13:47 GMT -5
The newer se's for sure. I found CT to be dull and terribly boring.(if it had been shorter it would have been a better book imo) I'm halfway through SH but that was two months ago, so that tells you something. And the OOTS arc, except Last Hope is overrated. How is OotS overrated? It's one of the most unpopular arcs in the fandom. I thought POT was more disliked,but people seem to dislike both equally, imo. I think?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Aug 14, 2020 23:28:31 GMT -5
How is OotS overrated? It's one of the most unpopular arcs in the fandom. I thought POT was more disliked,but people seem to dislike both equally, imo. I think? OotS is more disliked from what I've seen, but even if PoT was either just as unpopular or more so, this doesn't change the fact that OotS isn't overrated. It's not popular among the fandom at all. For it to be overrated, it'd have to have the exact opposite reputation.
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