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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 6, 2020 17:59:32 GMT -5
i think most of us can agree that the medicine cat rule of having no mate or kits is pretty dumb, but i would like to ask what everyone thinks about medicine cats having crushes?
cinderpelt is the best example for this. she had a crush on firestar yet never acted on it and never acted on her jealousy. spottedleaf would be the opposite for this. she had a crush on firestar, and she spent majority of her time spying on him or his kin and never letting things go.
so in my mind, i think if more medicine cats were strong willed and selfless like cinderpelt, i wouldn't have an issue for medicine cats having an innocent crush and then letting go of it soon after.
so for cats like alderheart, do you think his crush on velvet was okay, or was it annoying? like yes, thunderclan medicine cats have all had loves or crushes, and quite a bit of them acted on them in some capacity except for cinderpelt and alderheart. but i think if they dont act on it at all, medicine cats having crushes isn't as big of an issue compared to medicine cats who ACT on their crushes.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 6, 2020 18:02:43 GMT -5
Very much depends on the situation.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 6, 2020 18:12:23 GMT -5
I think expecting these cats to not catch feelings is expecting them to be robots
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 18:17:55 GMT -5
Maybe, but I wish it was other than just ALL the ThunderClan ones, like change it up a bit, make a ThunderClan medicine cat not have a crush for once, and make it be a cat from another clan, like maybe someone can make a comment about how Kestrelflight keeps staring at Larkwing like he has a crush.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Aug 6, 2020 19:36:27 GMT -5
Yes, because for once I would like to see a little crush that isn't blown out of proportion and doesn't turn into this crazy romance that spans an arc or two.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Aug 6, 2020 21:15:48 GMT -5
crushes are fine. infatuations are frustrating.
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Post by highprince on Aug 6, 2020 21:44:03 GMT -5
You can only expect them to have crushes, but the love interests are always these picture-perfect characters where their crush is blown out of proportion. Cinderpelt is the best example of a medicine cat crush but Firestar was her mentor for a while so I actually kind of hate it.
Would be nice to have a realistic crush or an aro medicine cat that doesn't have any love interest.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 6, 2020 22:27:16 GMT -5
You can only expect them to have crushes, but the love interests are always these picture-perfect characters where their crush is blown out of proportion. Cinderpelt is the best example of a medicine cat crush but Firestar was her mentor for a while so I actually kind of hate it. Would be nice to have a realistic crush or an aro medicine cat that doesn't have any love interest. I still feel like Alder/Velvet was actually a pretty good depiction since they both acknowledged they were too happy being kittypet/medicine cat and that it wouldn't work, even though they liked each other. It was surprisingly mature
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 6, 2020 23:34:44 GMT -5
I doubt TBC is gonna change this rule Plus, this code was a huge theme in MFV, revoking it would kinda make her SE pretty pointless MFV took place eons ago. Removing the dumb code from that long ago or changing it won't make it pointless because as far as we know, it's pointless as is to the modern clans. Removing it would at least be a start of updating something that has been more or less stagnant for generations. A flawed set of rules doesn't (And shouldn't) just stay the same. (And no, BrS adding a new code to the already flawed pile is barely change. It doesn't change the code that was already there) It's not like SqH where it wasn't that far back in comparison to make Squirrelflight rejecting death pointless (Which is why killing her now would be a major issue despite fandom complaints about her living). Moth Flight doesn't even realize or see that "Her rule" is flawed by the time she recently appears and has been flawed since given the multiple incidents, and Leafpool was proof that you can do what Moth Flight couldn't do.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 6, 2020 23:36:33 GMT -5
crushes are fine. infatuations are frustrating. how do you define those? in my mind, infatuations are lesser than crushes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 0:18:48 GMT -5
I think expecting these cats to not catch feelings is expecting them to be robots i mean, id be chill with an aroace med cat. itd certainly save us a lot of recycled drama.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 7, 2020 0:51:41 GMT -5
crushes are fine. infatuations are frustrating. how do you define those? in my mind, infatuations are lesser than crushes. The vast majority of people consider infatuations stronger than crushes. Some say far stronger. Basically, "crush" is "I like you. Perhaps a lot. But I am capable of doing things unrelated to you." Whereas "infatuation" is "I literally can't think about anything in the known universe without you popping up in my mind".
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Aug 7, 2020 0:58:41 GMT -5
how do you define those? in my mind, infatuations are lesser than crushes. The vast majority of people consider infatuations stronger than crushes. Some say far stronger. Basically, "crush" is "I like you. Perhaps a lot. But I am capable of doing things unrelated to you." Whereas "infatuation" is "I literally can't think about anything in the known universe without you popping up in my mind". really? omg man, i was thinking the opposite for years then! i thought for all this time that infatuation was just a one off thing where you dont know the but you just like them to like them, and a crush is when you like someone because you actually know them, etc.
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Post by Brindlefern on Aug 7, 2020 1:02:17 GMT -5
how do you define those? in my mind, infatuations are lesser than crushes. The vast majority of people consider infatuations stronger than crushes. Some say far stronger. Basically, "crush" is "I like you. Perhaps a lot. But I am capable of doing things unrelated to you." Whereas "infatuation" is "I literally can't think about anything in the known universe without you popping up in my mind". This, crushes tend to be more subtle per say. I also see infatuations as easier to have happen "on sight" than crushes.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Aug 7, 2020 1:05:57 GMT -5
The vast majority of people consider infatuations stronger than crushes. Some say far stronger. Basically, "crush" is "I like you. Perhaps a lot. But I am capable of doing things unrelated to you." Whereas "infatuation" is "I literally can't think about anything in the known universe without you popping up in my mind". really? omg man, i was thinking the opposite for years then! i thought for all this time that infatuation was just a one off thing where you dont know the but you just like them to like them, and a crush is when you like someone because you actually know them, etc. In the human world, the word "infatuation" is often used when people are trying to make the "lust not love" point. You probably heard it in a context of "that's not true love, it's just an infatuation" and came to the conclusion that infatuations were one-offs caused by physical attraction (which... they ARE, they're just extremely powerful). "crush" spans a large spectrum from "I think you're kinda cute" to "ohmigod marry me right now I'll do anything". Infatuation is always correlated with obsession, whether you know the person or not. You can be infatuated/obsessed with someone you've never met (like a celebrity), or someone you've known for years, like a childhood best friend. The word difference is mainly to say how independent a person is from their object of affection. So Cinder on Fire would be a crush because she can totally go off and do other things, but Spotted on Fire is an infatuation because literally her entire character surrounds another.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Aug 7, 2020 3:27:23 GMT -5
really? omg man, i was thinking the opposite for years then! i thought for all this time that infatuation was just a one off thing where you dont know the but you just like them to like them, and a crush is when you like someone because you actually know them, etc. In the human world, the word "infatuation" is often used when people are trying to make the "lust not love" point. You probably heard it in a context of "that's not true love, it's just an infatuation" and came to the conclusion that infatuations were one-offs caused by physical attraction (which... they ARE, they're just extremely powerful). "crush" spans a large spectrum from "I think you're kinda cute" to "ohmigod marry me right now I'll do anything". Infatuation is always correlated with obsession, whether you know the person or not. You can be infatuated/obsessed with someone you've never met (like a celebrity), or someone you've known for years, like a childhood best friend. The word difference is mainly to say how independent a person is from their object of affection. So Cinder on Fire would be a crush because she can totally go off and do other things, but Spotted on Fire is an infatuation because literally her entire character surrounds another. Crushes can also develop into actual love over time as well, personally I'm pretty sure this was the case for Cinderpelt toward Firestar, and she still holds these feelings for him but didn't act on it. But when it comes to Spottedleaf, I feel like it's more tricky than people give it credit for. Since the Erins have said if Spottedleaf had lived, she and Fire wouldn't be a thing in the long run. I think the reason why she ended up returning Firestar's feelings so intensely is because of dying at a young age so suddenly and being stuck in the cycles of being a StarClan spirit. Which is why she clung to Firestar's infatuation toward her, and only returned it when she wasn't bound by the code in death. However, Firestar was still alive, and still moving on from her, while she remained stagnant over the years. Her character revolved so deeply around Firestar at this point, that I don't think it can be considered infatuation. Especially when infatuation is usually a spark that doesn't last long, like Firestar toward Spottedleaf. If anything Spottedleaf was indeed in love with Firestar, just not a healthy kind of love per say. I think in comparison where as Cinderpelt's love is Agape, aka Selfless love, Spottedleaf's felt like the opposite, Mania, aka obsessive love.
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Post by ✲ριкαƒυєу✲ on Aug 7, 2020 3:31:41 GMT -5
I think expecting these cats to not catch feelings is expecting them to be robots i mean, id be chill with an aroace med cat. itd certainly save us a lot of recycled drama. Aro/Ace people still fall in love or have crushes though ._. I'm Ace and have a bf lol
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Post by Spinestar on Aug 7, 2020 6:59:24 GMT -5
I doubt TBC is gonna change this rule Plus, this code was a huge theme in MFV, revoking it would kinda make her SE pretty pointless MFV took place eons ago. Removing the dumb code from that long ago or changing it won't make it pointless because as far as we know, it's pointless as is to the modern clans. Removing it would at least be a start of updating something that has been more or less stagnant for generations. A flawed set of rules doesn't (And shouldn't) just stay the same. (And no, BrS adding a new code to the already flawed pile is barely change. It doesn't change the code that was already there) It's not like SqH where it wasn't that far back in comparison to make Squirrelflight rejecting death pointless (Which is why killing her now would be a major issue despite fandom complaints about her living). Moth Flight doesn't even realize or see that "Her rule" is flawed by the time she recently appears and has been flawed since given the multiple incidents, and Leafpool was proof that you can do what Moth Flight couldn't do. I feel like to the readers, the SE will become pointless cause 5 years later it changes
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Post by highprince on Aug 7, 2020 9:43:06 GMT -5
You can only expect them to have crushes, but the love interests are always these picture-perfect characters where their crush is blown out of proportion. Cinderpelt is the best example of a medicine cat crush but Firestar was her mentor for a while so I actually kind of hate it. Would be nice to have a realistic crush or an aro medicine cat that doesn't have any love interest. I still feel like Alder/Velvet was actually a pretty good depiction since they both acknowledged they were too happy being kittypet/medicine cat and that it wouldn't work, even though they liked each other. It was surprisingly mature Velvet was a piece of soggy white bread, Alder’s feelings came out of nowhere and there was no chemistry, and whatever reason Velvet appeared was so pointless that I can’t even remember it. I would appreciate the maturity more if I wasn’t grating my teeth the whole time reading it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 10:39:28 GMT -5
i mean, id be chill with an aroace med cat. itd certainly save us a lot of recycled drama. Aro/Ace people still fall in love or have crushes though ._. I'm Ace and have a bf lol im aro and have a bf lol. its less likely with a med cat whos both aro and ace. plus, primarily a response to “if they dont catch feelings then theyre like robots”
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Post by Cheetahstar on Aug 7, 2020 15:06:14 GMT -5
Med cats should be able to have mates as long as they have a fully trained apprentice
if med cats can't have kits then leaders and deputies shouldnt either
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 7, 2020 15:37:04 GMT -5
I don't mind them, I just don't like how often it's happened.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Aug 7, 2020 16:02:01 GMT -5
Very much depends on the situation. And who the cat (from the other side of the relationship) is. FirexCinder was cool with me generically. But LeafxCrow??? *Punches holes in walls in frustration and anger
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 7, 2020 16:49:12 GMT -5
Aro/Ace people still fall in love or have crushes though ._. I'm Ace and have a bf lol im aro and have a bf lol. its less likely with a med cat whos both aro and ace. plus, primarily a response to “if they dont catch feelings then theyre like robots” That wasn't what I was saying at all. While aro/ace is legit, the majority of medicine cats aren't going to be that way and expecting them to never have feelings is unrealistic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2020 16:56:32 GMT -5
im aro and have a bf lol. its less likely with a med cat whos both aro and ace. plus, primarily a response to “if they dont catch feelings then theyre like robots” That wasn't what I was saying at all. While aro/ace is legit, the majority of medicine cats aren't going to be that way and expecting them to never have feelings is unrealistic. i didnt think u meant it like that lol i was just playing off your own comment
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