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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 8, 2020 14:55:06 GMT -5
Because they are. Badgers are multiple times the weight of a cat, the weight difference between them and a cat is indeed the same as that between a human and a bear. Look into the scientific literature on the mass of badgers, their SPRING weights, when they are starving from hibernation, are already 8-10 kilos. Badgers when properly bulked up as in the summer and fall can easily double this weight up to 15-20 kilos easy. Feral cats average around 3-4 kilos. A badger can squash a cat if it felt like it, the size difference is massive. This is probably the biggest biological inaccuracy I've actually seen in the FANDOM. The books have it 100% correct, badgers are very large and big boned mustelids relative to small cats. you're right! i see that my statement was wrong now, thank you for clarifying. but are foxes really that big like they're shown in the books? Depends on the fox. Foxes average a little larger than cats, but the difference isn't so large. I guess if I had to make a comparison, between foxes and cats it'd be kind of like how men are generally bigger than women, but the gap is pretty flexible and you'll find plenty of foxes and cats in either direction who don't fit this general idea. Foxes also vary their weight a lot depending on geographic area, with the ones up north getting much larger than ones in more tropical climates(though this applies to cats too). Overall, I'll give the books a pass on this save for the vixen with Lionblaze, which is a little silly.
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Post by Numquam on Aug 8, 2020 21:12:59 GMT -5
see i have no reason to remember any of those characters lol aren't male torties usually infertile? i always assumed thats why they removed redtail as sandstorm's father on the official family tree EDIT: it seems that not all those toms are indubitably torties. redwillow and antfur aren't described as torties, just mottled and mixed, while fircone is kinda up for debate because his appearance changed often Yes the majority if not almost all of them are infertile intersex unless they're chimeras or something. Redtail was removed from the family tree not because Redtail would normally be infertile but because there was nothing in canon writing implicating he was Sandstorm's father nor Brindleface's mate. And ik they aren't explicitly described as torties, but well they look the part so it's what my brain sees them as. Almost all of them are, but there have been cases of fertile male torties (these males having potential Mosaic Genetics as opposed to the regular XXY you would see in male torties). As you can imagine though, it's extremely extremely rare.
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 9, 2020 5:26:22 GMT -5
Because they are. Badgers are multiple times the weight of a cat, the weight difference between them and a cat is indeed the same as that between a human and a bear. Look into the scientific literature on the mass of badgers, their SPRING weights, when they are starving from hibernation, are already 8-10 kilos. Badgers when properly bulked up as in the summer and fall can easily double this weight up to 15-20 kilos easy. Feral cats average around 3-4 kilos. A badger can squash a cat if it felt like it, the size difference is massive. This is probably the biggest biological inaccuracy I've actually seen in the FANDOM. The books have it 100% correct, badgers are very large and big boned mustelids relative to small cats. you're right! i see that my statement was wrong now, thank you for clarifying. but are foxes really that big like they're shown in the books? My Maine Coon is big enough to kill foxes occasionally, but he’s at least twice the size of any other cat I’ve ever known.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 9, 2020 8:49:33 GMT -5
you're right! i see that my statement was wrong now, thank you for clarifying. but are foxes really that big like they're shown in the books? My Maine Coon is big enough to kill foxes occasionally, but he’s at least twice the size of any other cat I’ve ever known. Are you speaking from experience or just speaking in hypotheticals? If it is experience, I would hope that you use that learning experience to keep a better eye on the cat before it runs into a fight it cannot win. A large cat may be able to take down foxes, but there's no telling when it'll run into a fox with enough game and/or luck to inflict serious wounds before going down. To say nothing of coyotes if you're in the Americas, who view cats as nothing but snacks. Even if not in the Americas, picking a fight with the likes of a badger or a large dog might well be the end of your cat. It is not responsible ownership of a cat whatsoever to be letting them get into brawls with similarly sized predators, let alone brawls that got so intense they became lethal.
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 9, 2020 18:21:46 GMT -5
My Maine Coon is big enough to kill foxes occasionally, but he’s at least twice the size of any other cat I’ve ever known. Are you speaking from experience or just speaking in hypotheticals? If it is experience, I would hope that you use that learning experience to keep a better eye on the cat before it runs into a fight it cannot win. A large cat may be able to take down foxes, but there's no telling when it'll run into a fox with enough game and/or luck to inflict serious wounds before going down. To say nothing of coyotes if you're in the Americas, who view cats as nothing but snacks. Even if not in the Americas, picking a fight with the likes of a badger or a large dog might well be the end of your cat. It is not responsible ownership of a cat whatsoever to be letting them get into brawls with similarly sized predators, let alone brawls that got so intense they became lethal. I live on a farm in rural Australia, so my biggest concern is snakes. We get foxes coming up to the house, and my dogs (border collies) try to round them up rather than chase them off. The cat has no such inhibitions, and will happily chase off or kill a fox if it gets too close. I have other (inside only, smaller) cats who are happy to hiss at foxes through the window, but wouldn’t dream of going near one.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 9, 2020 18:26:35 GMT -5
Are you speaking from experience or just speaking in hypotheticals? If it is experience, I would hope that you use that learning experience to keep a better eye on the cat before it runs into a fight it cannot win. A large cat may be able to take down foxes, but there's no telling when it'll run into a fox with enough game and/or luck to inflict serious wounds before going down. To say nothing of coyotes if you're in the Americas, who view cats as nothing but snacks. Even if not in the Americas, picking a fight with the likes of a badger or a large dog might well be the end of your cat. It is not responsible ownership of a cat whatsoever to be letting them get into brawls with similarly sized predators, let alone brawls that got so intense they became lethal. I live on a farm in rural Australia, so my biggest concern is snakes. We get foxes coming up to the house, and my dogs (border collies) try to round them up rather than chase them off. The cat has no such inhibitions, and will happily chase off or kill a fox if it gets too close. I have other (inside only, smaller) cats who are happy to hiss at foxes through the window, but wouldn’t dream of going near one. I feel immense pity for the local bird and marsupial population nearby.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 9, 2020 19:40:00 GMT -5
I live on a farm in rural Australia, so my biggest concern is snakes. We get foxes coming up to the house, and my dogs (border collies) try to round them up rather than chase them off. The cat has no such inhibitions, and will happily chase off or kill a fox if it gets too close. I have other (inside only, smaller) cats who are happy to hiss at foxes through the window, but wouldn’t dream of going near one. I feel immense pity for the local bird and marsupial population nearby. Almost not worth the energy typing. Most people I've tried to convince to keep their cats indoors are convinced they're right. Pretty frustrating
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 9, 2020 19:45:11 GMT -5
I live on a farm in rural Australia, so my biggest concern is snakes. We get foxes coming up to the house, and my dogs (border collies) try to round them up rather than chase them off. The cat has no such inhibitions, and will happily chase off or kill a fox if it gets too close. I have other (inside only, smaller) cats who are happy to hiss at foxes through the window, but wouldn’t dream of going near one. I feel immense pity for the local bird and marsupial population nearby. If there were any left by the previous 250 years of intensive farming, foxes and feral cats; I’d pass on my condolences for you. I’m in the throes of rehabilitation and revegetation of 300 acres of previously intensively cropped and overgrazed undulating land. I’ve managed to reintroduce indigenous flora, but fauna in a couple of years away, as the trees need to become established before they’re safe to eat.
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Post by highprince on Aug 9, 2020 21:13:24 GMT -5
I feel immense pity for the local bird and marsupial population nearby. Almost not worth the energy typing. Most people I've tried to convince to keep their cats indoors are convinced they're right. Pretty frustrating Really? Most of the outdoor cat owners I’ve met wish they could keep them inside. It’s usually the ones lecturing that are annoying
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 9, 2020 21:37:06 GMT -5
Almost not worth the energy typing. Most people I've tried to convince to keep their cats indoors are convinced they're right. Pretty frustrating Really? Most of the outdoor cat owners I’ve met wish they could keep them inside. It’s usually the ones lecturing that are annoying This cat has busted out of several cat runs. None of my other cats (and there have been hundreds, I work in animal rescue) have ever been able to do that.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Aug 9, 2020 21:42:37 GMT -5
Almost not worth the energy typing. Most people I've tried to convince to keep their cats indoors are convinced they're right. Pretty frustrating Really? Most of the outdoor cat owners I’ve met wish they could keep them inside. It’s usually the ones lecturing that are annoying Had someone just the other day tell me I was wrong about it being bad for cats to go outside and that I was ignorant for suggesting they not. There are some justifications (feral cats turned barn cats) but most of the people I've gotten into discussion with think they're doing what's right for their cat. When I point out that outdoor cats live shorter lives (for obvious reasons), they're like 'I HAD ONE THAT LIVED UNTIL 15' because anecdotal evidence? But yeah. I've had the opposite experience. People who think having outside cats is good
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Post by highprince on Aug 9, 2020 21:58:16 GMT -5
Really? Most of the outdoor cat owners I’ve met wish they could keep them inside. It’s usually the ones lecturing that are annoying Had someone just the other day tell me I was wrong about it being bad for cats to go outside and that I was ignorant for suggesting they not. There are some justifications (feral cats turned barn cats) but most of the people I've gotten into discussion with think they're doing what's right for their cat. When I point out that outdoor cats live shorter lives (for obvious reasons), they're like 'I HAD ONE THAT LIVED UNTIL 15' because anecdotal evidence? But yeah. I've had the opposite experience. People who think having outside cats is good I've always had the opposite experiences. My cat goes outside, and believe me I wish she didn't, but I always get someone jumping at my throat and claiming I'm a bad pet owner for letting her go out (someone claimed it was animal abuse once? that was wild). Sometimes I feel like the people that go off about "just keep them inside" haven't had a cat that really wanted to go outside, because she runs out doors and uses the entire place as her litterbox when she's kept inside. I just accept that she's an animal and if she really wants to go outside, it feels cruel to stop her. Plus, the whole "outside cats have shorter lifespans" thing doesn't really affect me because accidents happen regardless and it depends on the cat, there's just obviously more outside. I get that some people are irresponsible about letting cats out, but it gets tiring when people that don't know someone or their cat go off about being bad pet owners.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 9, 2020 22:46:42 GMT -5
Had someone just the other day tell me I was wrong about it being bad for cats to go outside and that I was ignorant for suggesting they not. There are some justifications (feral cats turned barn cats) but most of the people I've gotten into discussion with think they're doing what's right for their cat. When I point out that outdoor cats live shorter lives (for obvious reasons), they're like 'I HAD ONE THAT LIVED UNTIL 15' because anecdotal evidence? But yeah. I've had the opposite experience. People who think having outside cats is good I've always had the opposite experiences. My cat goes outside, and believe me I wish she didn't, but I always get someone jumping at my throat and claiming I'm a bad pet owner for letting her go out (someone claimed it was animal abuse once? that was wild). Sometimes I feel like the people that go off about "just keep them inside" haven't had a cat that really wanted to go outside, because she runs out doors and uses the entire place as her litterbox when she's kept inside. I just accept that she's an animal and if she really wants to go outside, it feels cruel to stop her. Plus, the whole "outside cats have shorter lifespans" thing doesn't really affect me because accidents happen regardless and it depends on the cat, there's just obviously more outside. I get that some people are irresponsible about letting cats out, but it gets tiring when people that don't know someone or their cat go off about being bad pet owners. What's really cruel is the effect on the environment. Cats left to their own devices are a pestilence and plague on the local wildlife and among the most terrible of invasive species.
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 9, 2020 22:58:22 GMT -5
I've always had the opposite experiences. My cat goes outside, and believe me I wish she didn't, but I always get someone jumping at my throat and claiming I'm a bad pet owner for letting her go out (someone claimed it was animal abuse once? that was wild). Sometimes I feel like the people that go off about "just keep them inside" haven't had a cat that really wanted to go outside, because she runs out doors and uses the entire place as her litterbox when she's kept inside. I just accept that she's an animal and if she really wants to go outside, it feels cruel to stop her. Plus, the whole "outside cats have shorter lifespans" thing doesn't really affect me because accidents happen regardless and it depends on the cat, there's just obviously more outside. I get that some people are irresponsible about letting cats out, but it gets tiring when people that don't know someone or their cat go off about being bad pet owners. What's really cruel is the effect on the environment. Cats left to their own devices are a pestilence and plague on the local wildlife and among the most terrible of invasive species. It’s crazy that cats (and foxes, rabbits, rats, mice, etc...) were even introduced to Australia. There’s absolutely no reason for them to be here. Turning the discussion back to warriors, though; a kangaroo in wind clan? I mean, there’s been mountain lions, raccoons and beavers, so why not?
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Post by halogen on Aug 10, 2020 14:50:20 GMT -5
My Maine Coon is big enough to kill foxes occasionally, but he’s at least twice the size of any other cat I’ve ever known. Are you speaking from experience or just speaking in hypotheticals? If it is experience, I would hope that you use that learning experience to keep a better eye on the cat before it runs into a fight it cannot win. A large cat may be able to take down foxes, but there's no telling when it'll run into a fox with enough game and/or luck to inflict serious wounds before going down. To say nothing of coyotes if you're in the Americas, who view cats as nothing but snacks. Even if not in the Americas, picking a fight with the likes of a badger or a large dog might well be the end of your cat. It is not responsible ownership of a cat whatsoever to be letting them get into brawls with similarly sized predators, let alone brawls that got so intense they became lethal. Size isn't always going to stop certain types of daring cats from attacking. I have a cat who always tries to get outside to fight not only any cats who show up in our yard, but raccoons, too, which are clearly bigger than her (we don't let her, of course). Some cats (like my other cat) will run from anything, but others will definitely try to pick fights that they can't or at least can't definitely win.
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Post by vectoring34 on Aug 10, 2020 14:53:08 GMT -5
Are you speaking from experience or just speaking in hypotheticals? If it is experience, I would hope that you use that learning experience to keep a better eye on the cat before it runs into a fight it cannot win. A large cat may be able to take down foxes, but there's no telling when it'll run into a fox with enough game and/or luck to inflict serious wounds before going down. To say nothing of coyotes if you're in the Americas, who view cats as nothing but snacks. Even if not in the Americas, picking a fight with the likes of a badger or a large dog might well be the end of your cat. It is not responsible ownership of a cat whatsoever to be letting them get into brawls with similarly sized predators, let alone brawls that got so intense they became lethal. Size isn't always going to stop certain types of daring cats from attacking. I have a cat who always tries to get outside to fight not only any cats who show up in our yard, but raccoons, too, which are clearly bigger than her (we don't let her, of course). Some cats (like my other cat) will run from anything, but others will definitely try to pick fights that they can't or at least can't definitely win. I know, that's why I said it's irresponsible to not be stepping in and getting better control of such a cat. I've seen plenty of dogs who think they're hotshot enough to play chicken with alligators, and I would likewise call their owner irresponsible if they let their dog mess with the alligator until one of them ends up becoming a snack for it. Domestic animals can often do some incredibly stupid things due to a false sense of security from being insulated from any consequences from their behavior, but that's precisely why it's so important for owners to make sure that they don't do these stupid things.
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Post by wftl1980 on Aug 10, 2020 18:01:38 GMT -5
Size isn't always going to stop certain types of daring cats from attacking. I have a cat who always tries to get outside to fight not only any cats who show up in our yard, but raccoons, too, which are clearly bigger than her (we don't let her, of course). Some cats (like my other cat) will run from anything, but others will definitely try to pick fights that they can't or at least can't definitely win. I know, that's why I said it's irresponsible to not be stepping in and getting better control of such a cat. I've seen plenty of dogs who think they're hotshot enough to play chicken with alligators, and I would likewise call their owner irresponsible if they let their dog mess with the alligator until one of them ends up becoming a snack for it. Domestic animals can often do some incredibly stupid things due to a false sense of security from being insulated from any consequences from their behavior, but that's precisely why it's so important for owners to make sure that they don't do these stupid things. It’s a work in progress. Like I said earlier; I work in animal rescue and have had an awful lot of stray, feral and otherwise temperamentally challenging cats to look after. I thought this run was bomb proof until we got this cat. It’s a work in progress keeping him contained, but I’ll get there. When I lived further north, it was always the blue cattle dogs who tried to take on crocodiles. Usually owned by the type of man who hung townuts from his ute and beat his wife.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Sept 6, 2020 11:23:19 GMT -5
Newborn kits having eyes closed hat aren’t blue. Th at has begged me since I started reading the books. It makes no sense.
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