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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 29, 2020 12:43:18 GMT -5
One of the defining moments in the series is Rusty battling Longtail to defend his honor and prove himself, with full approval of the clan for defending his good name. It painted a picture of just how important honor and one's name is to the clans, and explained why their wars held such importance to them too. It was all a matter of cultural pride through combat.
However, ever since that point, duels over honor have been few and far between. I find this pretty unfortunate, as it seems to lessen the clan warrior culture for me and doesn't make much sense to have gone away unlike inter-clan battles which would become less frequent with greater cooperation. I for one, would love to see more such formalized duels.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2020 13:13:56 GMT -5
Why was my first thought a cat shouting "AGNI KAI" at another I-
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 13:20:46 GMT -5
vectoring34 Duels, if the Erins had kept them would ahve been a surefire way to clearly develop some frenemy relationships
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 29, 2020 17:26:03 GMT -5
hmm are we talking within the clan, or between clan cats as well?
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 17:26:44 GMT -5
hmm are we talking within the clan, or between clan cats as well? Probably within the clan???
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 29, 2020 17:33:49 GMT -5
hmm are we talking within the clan, or between clan cats as well? I figured it was more intra-clan since it's about settling personal issues which rarely crop up between clans, making it an inter-clan issue would be tricky but not impossible. It'd just have to be in secret, I imagine.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 29, 2020 17:51:03 GMT -5
hmm are we talking within the clan, or between clan cats as well? I figured it was more intra-clan since it's about settling personal issues which rarely crop up between clans, making it an inter-clan issue would be tricky but not impossible. It'd just have to be in secret, I imagine. i'm not sure what would be gained from inter-clan duels since it would likely just make both clans as a whole more hostile to each other (i imagine the clans would see their dueling cat as representative of the whole clan and therefore get personally offended/smug if they lost/won). but intra-clan makes sense. a way to let clanmates burn through their anger and settle things.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 29, 2020 18:02:14 GMT -5
I figured it was more intra-clan since it's about settling personal issues which rarely crop up between clans, making it an inter-clan issue would be tricky but not impossible. It'd just have to be in secret, I imagine. i'm not sure what would be gained from inter-clan duels since it would likely just make both clans as a whole more hostile to each other (i imagine the clans would see their dueling cat as representative of the whole clan and therefore get personally offended/smug if they lost/won). but intra-clan makes sense. a way to let clanmates burn through their anger and settle things. Oh, duels don't make sense at all in my opinion. But that's really the entire point, in cultures there's a lot of things that don't make sense. It helped make the clans' culture more distinct that Longtail smacktalking Rusty was justification enough for Rusty to shred Longtail's ear to the cheers of everyone. I'm not suggesting it because I think it's a good thing morally for the clans but rather because it's more interesting and has a lot of potential for stories from it.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Jul 29, 2020 18:13:08 GMT -5
I figured it was more intra-clan since it's about settling personal issues which rarely crop up between clans, making it an inter-clan issue would be tricky but not impossible. It'd just have to be in secret, I imagine. i'm not sure what would be gained from inter-clan duels since it would likely just make both clans as a whole more hostile to each other (i imagine the clans would see their dueling cat as representative of the whole clan and therefore get personally offended/smug if they lost/won). but intra-clan makes sense. a way to let clanmates burn through their anger and settle things. I don't know if this counts, but in CP Mudfur and Adderfang had a duel to determine which clan gets sunningrocks. Mudfur won.
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Post by Redstorm on Jul 29, 2020 18:21:12 GMT -5
I could see it as being big in ShadowClan. I think it'd have to be done more in secret for ThunderClan esp under Firestar's reign. I'm surprised Bluestar even let Longtail act that rowdy, maybe she really wanted Rusty to prove himself.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Jul 29, 2020 18:25:37 GMT -5
Maybe duels can solve the "It's on XClan land"/"It came from YClan territory" prey debate.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 29, 2020 18:33:24 GMT -5
would ashfur vs lionblaze be considered one or was that just a training session gone bad/personal?
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 29, 2020 18:34:21 GMT -5
would ashfur vs lionblaze be considered one or was that just a training session gone bad/personal? Training gone personal
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 29, 2020 18:45:25 GMT -5
would ashfur vs lionblaze be considered one or was that just a training session gone bad/personal? That was not a duel, both of them just randomly launched into a brawl without any insults or challenges being brought forth or anything like that.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 29, 2020 19:35:02 GMT -5
Honor duels should be brought back, they can settle disputes between cats (whether same Clan or inter-Clan) or disputes between Clans in a way that you can't argue against.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Jul 29, 2020 19:36:05 GMT -5
That's actually something I'd change about the clans- especially in ThunderClan. Just duels in general. It would be a good way to resolve arguememts and be a way let go of hostilities. We wouldn't have to deal with a lot of mess if Brambleclaw and Ashfur had duked it out.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 29, 2020 20:40:24 GMT -5
Can Tawnypelt and Scorchfur have a showdown and her officially shut him down for good? Because I would pay good money to read that kind of honor duel
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 29, 2020 20:41:40 GMT -5
Can Tawnypelt and Scorchfur have a showdown and her officially shut him down for good? Because I would pay good money to read that kind of honor duel I'm sure there's someone taking writing commissions who would accept that.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jul 29, 2020 20:42:57 GMT -5
Can Tawnypelt and Scorchfur have a showdown and her officially shut him down for good? Because I would pay good money to read that kind of honor duel I'm sure there's someone taking writing commissions who would accept that. I want it to be canon though :c
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Post by alphayamergo on Jul 29, 2020 21:36:41 GMT -5
If honour duels had stayed a thing, Crowfeather getting challenged would be a great running gag. Stormfur challenging him for Feathertail's honour, Squirrelflight for Leafpool, Breezepelt for Nightcloud
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Post by alphayamergo on Jul 29, 2020 21:38:30 GMT -5
That's actually something I'd change about the clans- especially in ThunderClan. Just duels in general. It would be a good way to resolve arguememts and be a way let go of hostilities. We wouldn't have to deal with a lot of mess if Brambleclaw and Ashfur had duked it out. Ashfur challenges Brambleclaw for stealing Squirrelflight. Squirrelflight promptly challenges him back for implying she's an object to be stolen. Ashfur gets dunked twice in a row while everyone cheers.
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Post by sylveon on Jul 29, 2020 22:47:20 GMT -5
hmm are we talking within the clan, or between clan cats as well? I figured it was more intra-clan since it's about settling personal issues which rarely crop up between clans, making it an inter-clan issue would be tricky but not impossible. It'd just have to be in secret, I imagine. I would imagine apprentices did this often - and I like the idea. We always see apprentices teasing and challenging one another (ex. Lionpaw and Berrypaw) that it's considered friendly competition. If they could duel it out in a healthy, monitored way then I'm sure a lot of tension within the Clan would be eased. Edit: We kinda did see this a bit in ShadowClan, when two apprentices tussled over prey in AVoS and then shared it in the end. Twigpaw was alarmed but Violetpaw thought it was normal - if done in a healthier more controlled manner, I can see some benefits.
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 30, 2020 19:50:17 GMT -5
That's actually something I'd change about the clans- especially in ThunderClan. Just duels in general. It would be a good way to resolve arguememts and be a way let go of hostilities. We wouldn't have to deal with a lot of mess if Brambleclaw and Ashfur had duked it out. Ashfur challenges Brambleclaw for stealing Squirrelflight. Squirrelflight promptly challenges him back for implying she's an object to be stolen. Ashfur gets dunked twice in a row while everyone cheers. This should have happened
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