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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 19, 2020 16:43:37 GMT -5
lemme just explain what the title means
does it bother no one else that the only family we follow in shadowclan stems from tawnypelt...? hear me out okay.
tawnypelt, by all technicalities, is pure blood thunderclan. her family is the main shadowclan family we follow. now that dovewing, also thunderclan, joined her family via tigerheart/star, now there's even MORE thunderclan focus in shadowclan...
tigerclaw moving to shadowclan was real bad for shadowclan because now the only important cats in shadowclan stem from thunderclan through tawnypelt and dovewing!
next is windclan.
it's not as bad as shadowclan's, but hear me out. crowfeather being the dad to 3 thunderclan cats...? and the fact that his family is the only one we follow semi-closely? hmm yeah. so our windclan family rep also has ties to thunderclan. okay.
and skyclan? their entire existence is owed thanks to thunderclan via firestar and sandstorm. so their mere existence is an ode to thunderclan in itself.
ironically, the only clan untouched by thunderclan is riverclan, and that's because riverclan is so irrelevant and gets literally nothing in the main series books!
so you're telling me there's no other shadowclan family we can follow or get protags from? and for windclan, can't we focus more on harestar's family and who he's even related to? (people have headcanons, but no canon confirmations)
and skyclan is skyclan. they have too much attention just like thunderclan as it is. and its made worse when rootspring has a crush on a thunderclan cat.....yay....more thunderclan in other clans....no thanks.
and riverclan's family focus USED to be through bluestar, but mistystar sucks now and her kits arent important (reedwhisker is deputy but he's old just like his mom so he doesnt count).
you could also say there's thunderclan in riverclan thanks to hawkfrost and mothwing through tigerclaw, but hawkfrost is dead and mothwing cant have kits, so they're fine still
the other clans never stood a chance on their own without thunderclan cats mingling in and interfering or intertwining with them.
it kinda sucks.
edit:
i forgot feathertail and stormfur. they went on the journey and were half thunderclan. TNP cats were ALL tied to thunderclan, which is kinda garbage. thunderclan is LITERALLY the center of this universe and it makes me kinda mad.
if stormfur and brook stayed in riverclan, then riverclan would be in the same position as the others with the most important cats in their clans being stemmed from thunderclan :\
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 19, 2020 16:56:21 GMT -5
i agree that it sucks, but i think this is very much to be expected after the erins were steadfast on the first four arcs being thunderclan exclusive. the warriors universe is rich in ideas that are relatively easy to dream up, but the series itself remains rather small in scale when it comes to branching out away from the family trees we've read about for over a decade. it's a real shame - is there really any big difference between us getting a new windclan or riverclan pov rather than another thunderclan kit with protagonist parents? why won't they try mixing it up? i'm kind of convinced that the editors are concerned book sales would drop if we got very fresh povs. something like a riverclan apprentice with no relation to thunderclan whatsoever. i'd like to think that the editors would be wrong in assuming that. i would like to think that as well. they have no idea how much people like me would LOVE and PREFER the books branch out and move on. new perspectives and new clan settings? sounds like a positive change to me...cant believe the writers are such cowards. like yeah, be concerned about sales i guess because they care about money, but like...? no creative integrity? no moving on? like i said in another thread, this series cannot move on from anything. it's stagnant no matter what new things they try because it's not new if it doesnt move away from all things thunderclan. |
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 19, 2020 17:32:29 GMT -5
i am a firm believer that the next series should be about a brand new cast of characters in the eras between TPB and DOTC
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jul 19, 2020 17:43:43 GMT -5
Don't you think this is a bit of an exaggeration? Yeah, it'd be great if the series branched out to other families, but plenty of long running series tend to follow one specific family, so this doesn't surprise me nor upset me. Firestar was the one who started it all, it makes sense that his family and their associates would be the ones to get the most focus.
That being said, it really would be nice if the next arc focused on RiverClan, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 19, 2020 18:16:08 GMT -5
The fact that the OP then goes on to complain about Skyclan kind of demonstrates what would have happened if, in an alternate universe, Riverclan or whatever had gotten popular. Then people would be complaining about Riverclan dominance. Very much a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If they write about them, then they get too much attention and it's unfair. If they don't write about them, then they don't get enough attention and it's not fair.
Quite frankly I don't see WHY it matters who is related to who, it's not like it's brought up super often outside of PoT and OOTS. Heck, even in those books, it's not too relevant to the characters or plot beyond the angst over being half-clan.
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Post by Emberstar 🔥 on Jul 19, 2020 18:34:47 GMT -5
i agree that it sucks, but i think this is very much to be expected after the erins were steadfast on the first four arcs being thunderclan exclusive. the warriors universe is rich in ideas that are relatively easy to dream up, but the series itself remains rather small in scale when it comes to branching out away from the family trees we've read about for over a decade. it's a real shame - is there really any big difference between us getting a new windclan or riverclan pov rather than another thunderclan kit with protagonist parents? why won't they try mixing it up? i'm kind of convinced that the editors are concerned book sales would drop if we got very fresh povs. something like a riverclan apprentice with no relation to thunderclan whatsoever. i'd like to think that the editors would be wrong in assuming that. I think that it would be a half-decent idea if the next protagonists were all from RiverClan so that the Fandom doesn't view them as fish-eating fatsos for once lol |
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Post by vectoring34 on Jul 19, 2020 18:42:00 GMT -5
i agree that it sucks, but i think this is very much to be expected after the erins were steadfast on the first four arcs being thunderclan exclusive. the warriors universe is rich in ideas that are relatively easy to dream up, but the series itself remains rather small in scale when it comes to branching out away from the family trees we've read about for over a decade. it's a real shame - is there really any big difference between us getting a new windclan or riverclan pov rather than another thunderclan kit with protagonist parents? why won't they try mixing it up? i'm kind of convinced that the editors are concerned book sales would drop if we got very fresh povs. something like a riverclan apprentice with no relation to thunderclan whatsoever. i'd like to think that the editors would be wrong in assuming that. I think that it would be a half-decent idea if the next protagonists were all from RiverClan so that the Fandom doesn't view them as fish-eating fatsos for once lol Or the fandom just turns on them with a venomous vengeance, like Skyclan who is now the new scapegoat to be hailed as the ruin of the books once they got focus. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 19, 2020 19:00:55 GMT -5
I like how everyone wants to see family trees like we didn't learn the first two times. Now everyone is complaining about incest. It is indeed a damned if you do, damned if you don't. I personally prefer SkyClan and ThunderClan over some of the other Clans because of location. WindClan is too open and I just don't like that. Plus their Clan character is one of the worsts with ShadowClan. I think RiverClan is kinda described as open at the lake? So it conflicts with my headcanon of creeks and waterways cutting through a forest. Hence why I prefer it role-plays over the books. If we were in the forest, I'd only be happy with a RiverClan POV, a SkyClan POV, and a ThunderClan POV.
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 19, 2020 19:56:26 GMT -5
I like how everyone wants to see family trees like we didn't learn the first two times. Now everyone is complaining about incest. It is indeed a damned if you do, damned if you don't. I personally prefer SkyClan and ThunderClan over some of the other Clans because of location. WindClan is too open and I just don't like that. Plus their Clan character is one of the worsts with ShadowClan. I think RiverClan is kinda described as open at the lake? So it conflicts with my headcanon of creeks and waterways cutting through a forest. Hence why I prefer it role-plays over the books. If we were in the forest, I'd only be happy with a RiverClan POV, a SkyClan POV, and a ThunderClan POV.
Also, I may seem extremely biased for ThunderClan via profile stuff but I gotta keep the mood. i'd like to see a redemption arc for WindClan, honestly. i think it'd be really cool to get a perspective of a young warrior on the inside who sets out to change his clanmates' attitudes about cats outside their own borders, enriching windclan's sparse lake culture at the same time. |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jul 19, 2020 20:09:40 GMT -5
Perhaps. That would take at the minimum an arc long. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 21:26:03 GMT -5
it seems like thunderclan and shadowclan have the opposite problems. there is no win-win. thunderclan is polluted with very inbred cats, meanwhile shadowclan has lost so many purebred shadowclan cats and are now filled with outsiders (thunderclan blood, guardian blood, etc.).
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jul 19, 2020 21:33:53 GMT -5
I'd just an arc that involves all the Clans equally, and in equal focus.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jul 19, 2020 23:15:02 GMT -5
I don't see how having a Thunderclan cat in every clan or being related to it in some way ruined all of them. Skyclan being in debt to Thunderclan n a way because of its Leader helping revive it doesn't man it's ruined. Idk about you but it's fared well on its own without TC.
Also you forgot about Mothwing for Riverclan in terms of Thunderclan blooded cats. She's half-Thunder blood and got a fair bit of focus in TNP even if not a PoV.
Also yeah I find it funny that family tree's are brought up here by the OP, for a series that was originally about flipping the finger regarding your blood (I guess that's not the case anymore but ya know... makes ya think about how wild priorities changed).
I'm gonna agree with Vector and say I don't see how it'd be any better if another clan like Riverclan got focus for say, a whole arc. Or even a PoV throughout without TC involved ever. It likely won't make a difference as there will always be a clan left out in the cold. If Riverclan got a protag the whole arc instead of Thunderclan and Thunder got nothing a whole arc, it'll leave us without knowing what's going on in Thunderclan outside instances like Gatherings thanks to them being absolute opposites in lake direction. It'd be Riverclan all over again but with a different coat of paint. Riverclan would then get yelled at for hogging the spotlight and whatnot and yada yada yada...
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Post by Saint Ambrosef on Jul 19, 2020 23:20:21 GMT -5
i can see an argument here. i dont agree in full. i dont think its because the POV we get from different clans are related to ThunderClan. but my memory does suggest that it seems when we do get other clan perspectives, they still revolve around what's happening in ThunderClan (regardless of the protags blood). i could be remembering wrong, it's just how it seems now in hindsight.
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Post by grasshawk on Jul 19, 2020 23:22:42 GMT -5
All of this could be solved, if all the clans just formed into one big clan, then no clan would be more important than the other.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2020 23:22:58 GMT -5
i can see an argument here. i dont agree in full. i dont think its because the POV we get from different clans are related to ThunderClan. but my memory does suggest that it seems when we do get other clan perspectives, they still revolve around what's happening in ThunderClan (regardless of the protags blood). i could be remembering wrong, it's just how it seems now in hindsight. i agree with you. maybe "ruin" is too strong of a word, but it is annoying that no clan has been able to stay their original selves since the beginning of the series. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jul 19, 2020 23:54:53 GMT -5
All of this could be solved, if all the clans just formed into one big clan, then no clan would be more important than the other. that's why it's kinda funny to think tigerstar I had the right idea. he was just ahead of the whole curve trying to solve this problem earlier lmao |
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Post by grasshawk on Jul 19, 2020 23:59:52 GMT -5
All of this could be solved, if all the clans just formed into one big clan, then no clan would be more important than the other. that's why it's kinda funny to think tigerstar I had the right idea. he was just ahead of the whole curve trying to solve this problem earlier lmao I don't think his idea was uniting the clans, I think his idea was more of ultimate power, but I suppose one could say, that him being in power of all the clans, is uniting them all. |
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