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Post by Cheetahstar on Jun 11, 2020 19:19:45 GMT -5
If Squirrelflight dies/gets retired/demoted
and we get Lionstar or something
When was the last time we had a new female leader?
Leafstar and Mistystar have been leaders for a while, all new leaders have been toms
I'm not going to say its some evil agenda but come on erins
give us Squirrelstar
or I'll even take Ivystar over Lionstar
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Post by Hollyfall on Jun 11, 2020 19:26:09 GMT -5
Bristlestar or bust
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 11, 2020 19:53:25 GMT -5
Bluestar was the first and only female leader for Thunderclan in the main series. Ever since book 6 of arc 1, it's been Firestar. Chicken pointed out that Riverclan has had a long track record of the opposite end, where they've had majority female cats in the leading positions. female leaders (leopardstar then mistystar). female deputies (leopardstar under crookedstar. mistyfoot under leopardstar). and female medicine cats (mothwing and willowshine)
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jun 11, 2020 21:00:27 GMT -5
I'll take anyone other than Lionblaze.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jun 11, 2020 21:10:47 GMT -5
I just want everyone to know that regardless of what happens in canon, I will never use the name "Lionstar" to refer to the cat who is now Lionblaze. Ever.
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Post by Showers on Jun 11, 2020 21:11:28 GMT -5
Lionblaze is just going to be another Bramblestar.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 11, 2020 22:04:32 GMT -5
Lionblaze is just going to be another Bramblestar. I beg to differ, for the sole reason that Cinderheart is totally irrelevant. A lot of Brambleclaw's worst moments have to deal with Squirrelflight being the sacred calf of the fandom and some of the Erins, and Brambleclaw's character suffers for it. Lionblaze, on the other hand, has Cinderheart for a mate, who not one person cares about. This is actually a good thing, as it means she's got no potential to be turned into a drama factory.
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Post by 「Wιитεяичgнт」 on Jun 11, 2020 22:36:28 GMT -5
Unpopular opinion, I guess...
I actually want Lionstar. If we get Ivystar, I'm going to scream. Another unpopular opinion...
I do NOT like Ivypool. I don't even know why. She's one character i just cant bring myself to like. I wouldn't mind a Bristlestar though c:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 22:37:33 GMT -5
Ergh no thank you
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 12, 2020 2:13:23 GMT -5
The only two female leaders right now are notable the oldest, Mistystar and Leafstar. And both of them have male deputies. Squirrelstar probably won't happen, due to age, and we'll most likely get Lionstar with another female deputy probably, so the ShadowClan treatment. But either way, the leadership position is going to be male-dominated, and that's kinda disappointing...
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Asexual
#07B04C
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Ṣanɗypaw™
The Shiny User
🎵Guess that's just the way it goes, easy come, easy go🎵
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Post by Ṣanɗypaw™ on Jun 12, 2020 11:57:33 GMT -5
Pick any she-cat in ThunderClan who's had an apprentice, give them a personality, and boom. Female leader.
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Post by Spinel on Jun 12, 2020 14:47:44 GMT -5
Berrynose literally had more of a personality than Lionblaze. I can't even name a single distinguishing trait he has besides being a basic cookie cutter tom.
Please, just give us Squirrelstar or Ivystar, at least both of them are characters. After them, I literally cannot think of a single other cat in thunderclan that would be a good leader, or deputy for that matter.
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Post by vectoring34 on Jun 12, 2020 15:35:30 GMT -5
Berrynose literally had more of a personality than Lionblaze. I can't even name a single distinguishing trait he has besides being a basic cookie cutter tom.
Please, just give us Squirrelstar or Ivystar, at least both of them are characters. After them, I literally cannot think of a single other cat in thunderclan that would be a good leader, or deputy for that matter.
What personality does Ivypool have?
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Post by mymerlincat on Jun 13, 2020 2:38:49 GMT -5
I really am expecting Bristlefrost to become leader by the end of this arc. It would be a satisfying conclusion to the modern Clans timeline.
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Post by Spinel on Jun 13, 2020 12:35:05 GMT -5
Berrynose literally had more of a personality than Lionblaze. I can't even name a single distinguishing trait he has besides being a basic cookie cutter tom.
Please, just give us Squirrelstar or Ivystar, at least both of them are characters. After them, I literally cannot think of a single other cat in thunderclan that would be a good leader, or deputy for that matter.
What personality does Ivypool have? Ok, yeah, you're right. 😔
The more I thought about it, the more I realized her character traits basically boiled down to brave, sharp, observant, which is basically every wc protagonist.
Also it's been years since I've read any of the books she was in.
I'd still take her over Lionblaze though.
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Hollyleaf Stan
Duskwatcher
Tactical account nuke incoming!
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Post by Duskwatcher on Jun 13, 2020 13:19:14 GMT -5
Berrystar and Rosestar fans are dissapointed. But i'd appreciate anyone other than Lionblaze becoming leader, even some background character would be nice.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 13, 2020 14:55:02 GMT -5
We all know Bristlefrost is going to get some thing of power at some point, which bums me out because she has the least amount of personality compared to....all the other protagonists. She literally just stands by and watches things happen and is typical nice cat.
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Post by chimken nugget on Jun 23, 2020 0:11:06 GMT -5
lionblaze just isn’t leader material, 95% of his personality was based on his power and now without that the remaining 5% isn’t promising. and as much as I love them, I don’t think berrystar or rosestar would be good choices. they’re too argumentative and headstrong, and I doubt the erins will develop their characters further.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 23, 2020 0:14:39 GMT -5
lionblaze just isn’t leader material, 95% of his personality was based on his power and now without that the remaining 5% isn’t promising. and as much as I love them, I don’t think berrystar or rosestar would be good choices. they’re too argumentative and headstrong, and I doubt the erins will develop their characters further. i wanna comment on the argumentative and headstrong comment. i dont like how warriors demonizes ambition and headstrong-ness. thanks a lot tigerclaw/star for making these straits automatically "evil." it'd be better to have conviction than to be a weak willed and insecure wimp like onestar tbh. i wish we could have gotten rosepetal leadership potential in the books, but oh well.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 0:25:18 GMT -5
I don't really care about the gender of the next ThunderClan leader but Lionblaze is literally just cardboard and I can't think of any other eligible toms in TC that aren't also cardboard.
I think Spotstar would be pretty interesting. Bristlefrost showed that she wasn't really deputy material so I'm not desperate for a Bristlestar. I think Ivypool would make a good deputy but I'm not sure how I feel about her becoming leader.
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Post by chimken nugget on Jun 23, 2020 0:55:35 GMT -5
lionblaze just isn’t leader material, 95% of his personality was based on his power and now without that the remaining 5% isn’t promising. and as much as I love them, I don’t think berrystar or rosestar would be good choices. they’re too argumentative and headstrong, and I doubt the erins will develop their characters further. i wanna comment on the argumentative and headstrong comment. i dont like how warriors demonizes ambition and headstrong-ness. thanks a lot tigerclaw/star for making these straits automatically "evil." it'd be better to have conviction than to be a weak willed and insecure wimp like onestar tbh. i wish we could have gotten rosepetal leadership potential in the books, but oh well. yeah there are a lot of cats who are hated for that, but there’s also a good amount of characters (such as squirrelflight) who are loved for having a stubborn/argumentative personality. I think the reason characters like rosepetal and berrynose are disliked in-universe is because they are not only headstrong, but their beliefs are also more close-minded and usually go against what the pov character thinks. if they agree with things like inter-clan friendships and generosity (again, squirrelflight), they are usually treated a lot better despite their personalities. as for ambition, it definitely needs to be accepted more within the clans and it would be very interesting to see something about how tigerstar 1 made it a disliked trait within the cats’ culture.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2020 1:02:29 GMT -5
I think people should give Lionblaze a chance. He has been growing a lot lately, learning to forgive, and I think his status as a deputy will help him grow even more. Lionblaze isn't that bad.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Jun 23, 2020 1:04:35 GMT -5
I think people should give Lionblaze a chance. He has been growing a lot lately, learning to forgive, and I think his status as a deputy will help him grow even more. Lionblaze isn't that bad. yeah he's pretty chill as a dad/grandpa lol i still view him as boring though, and that just carried over to now. i am willing to him him a chance.
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Post by chimken nugget on Jun 23, 2020 1:06:54 GMT -5
I think people should give Lionblaze a chance. He has been growing a lot lately, learning to forgive, and I think his status as a deputy will help him grow even more. Lionblaze isn't that bad. I do love him as a character (especially in recent books), I just don’t think he would be the best Clan leader.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 23, 2020 9:44:35 GMT -5
If Lionstar happens with Bristlefrost as deputy...I guess I can tolerate it? But at the same time I hate the idea of Lionstar too much. At least Bristlefrost as personality, but again, Lionblaze is all about buff fighting and being a TC chad, sigh.
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Post by halogen on Jun 23, 2020 10:36:35 GMT -5
i wanna comment on the argumentative and headstrong comment. i dont like how warriors demonizes ambition and headstrong-ness. thanks a lot tigerclaw/star for making these straits automatically "evil." it'd be better to have conviction than to be a weak willed and insecure wimp like onestar tbh. i wish we could have gotten rosepetal leadership potential in the books, but oh well. yeah there are a lot of cats who are hated for that, but there’s also a good amount of characters (such as squirrelflight) who are loved for having a stubborn/argumentative personality. I think the reason characters like rosepetal and berrynose are disliked in-universe is because they are not only headstrong, but their beliefs are also more close-minded and usually go against what the pov character thinks. if they agree with things like inter-clan friendships and generosity (again, squirrelflight), they are usually treated a lot better despite their personalities. as for ambition, it definitely needs to be accepted more within the clans and it would be very interesting to see something about how tigerstar 1 made it a disliked trait within the cats’ culture. I'd love to have a really close-minded and conservative protagonist for once, maybe someone who isn't pigeonholed into a villain role necessarily because they have a lot of other virtues/admirable qualities but has prejudices that the readers won't agree with. I guess Hollyleaf sort of counts for that, but I'm less talking about a cat where the whole point to their character is that they are code-obsessed, but a cat who is just doing their own thing as protagonist, but doesn't automatically get progressive and generous views just because they are the main character. Or in the same vein, a villain who is manipulative and murders to get their way and all that, but also thinks that the Clans should work together (and means it, I don't mean like Tigerstar where he says the Clans should join together and then immediately tries to kill all the half-Clan ones), accepts kittypets, and thinks everyone should share and take care of the weak. Honestly Hawkfrost should have been this, with his non-Clan background - it would have been an interesting shift from having another Tigerstar clone to have someone who uses Tigerstar's horrible methods to take power and get what he wants, but completely different views and beliefs. It's kind of annoying how this series takes everyone who is evil or unpleasant for completely unrelated reasons and makes them gung-ho about war, bigoted, and hating friendship, even if it doesn't make sense for that character at all.
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Post by chimken nugget on Jun 23, 2020 22:32:51 GMT -5
yeah there are a lot of cats who are hated for that, but there’s also a good amount of characters (such as squirrelflight) who are loved for having a stubborn/argumentative personality. I think the reason characters like rosepetal and berrynose are disliked in-universe is because they are not only headstrong, but their beliefs are also more close-minded and usually go against what the pov character thinks. if they agree with things like inter-clan friendships and generosity (again, squirrelflight), they are usually treated a lot better despite their personalities. as for ambition, it definitely needs to be accepted more within the clans and it would be very interesting to see something about how tigerstar 1 made it a disliked trait within the cats’ culture. I'd love to have a really close-minded and conservative protagonist for once, maybe someone who isn't pigeonholed into a villain role necessarily because they have a lot of other virtues/admirable qualities but has prejudices that the readers won't agree with. I guess Hollyleaf sort of counts for that, but I'm less talking about a cat where the whole point to their character is that they are code-obsessed, but a cat who is just doing their own thing as protagonist, but doesn't automatically get progressive and generous views just because they are the main character. Or in the same vein, a villain who is manipulative and murders to get their way and all that, but also thinks that the Clans should work together (and means it, I don't mean like Tigerstar where he says the Clans should join together and then immediately tries to kill all the half-Clan ones), accepts kittypets, and thinks everyone should share and take care of the weak. Honestly Hawkfrost should have been this, with his non-Clan background - it would have been an interesting shift from having another Tigerstar clone to have someone who uses Tigerstar's horrible methods to take power and get what he wants, but completely different views and beliefs. It's kind of annoying how this series takes everyone who is evil or unpleasant for completely unrelated reasons and makes them gung-ho about war, bigoted, and hating friendship, even if it doesn't make sense for that character at all. this is a really interesting take and would make a great arc!!
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