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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 12:48:31 GMT -5
They made me angry in Eclipse. There is a very huge battle going on and they didn't warn Jaypaw at all. If they were able to see Cinderpelt's death, then surely they could have been able to see the battle? They can see the future! So why didn't they bother trying? We didn't even see them worry at all during the chapters of Eclipse! StarClan cats are useless. They bother bossing Jaypaw around about sneaking into dreams, but they don't bother warning ThunderClan about the battle in Eclipse.
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Post by Pyropelt on Aug 26, 2016 13:03:36 GMT -5
I wondered about that too.
And yet it seems that sometimes StarClan meddles into far less important everyday life things.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Aug 26, 2016 13:50:28 GMT -5
I kind of like the theory that Rock is the one who sees the future and he gives StarClan the information. That would explain why StarClan fails over and over again to warn the Clans. They only know what Rock wants them to know.
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Post by Pyropelt on Aug 26, 2016 14:08:53 GMT -5
Rock seems wiser than StarClan sometimes. Midnight too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 14:31:27 GMT -5
Rock seems wiser than StarClan sometimes. Midnight too. Jayfeather is the wisest of them all. Calling StarClan cats dumb. I remember he said that being dead doesn't make you any wiser, or at least he agreed with Sol about it. And he's right. The only spirit who's been helpful is Fallen Leaves because he was like a therapist to Hollyleaf, and he isn't even from StarClan. Spottedleaf might have helped a few times too, but her obsession with Firestar was annoying so she doesn't count. Pretty much all StarClan cats are useless. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 14:32:22 GMT -5
I kind of like the theory that Rock is the one who sees the future and he gives StarClan the information. That would explain why StarClan fails over and over again to warn the Clans. They only know what Rock wants them to know. Someone needs to ask Vicky this question. It is a really good theory. |
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 26, 2016 14:51:01 GMT -5
wasn't there another theory that goosefeather saw the eclipse battle and that's why he wanted to attack windclan? the herbs on the vole just motivated and reminded him or something.
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Post by Pyropelt on Aug 26, 2016 14:55:42 GMT -5
Rock seems wiser than StarClan sometimes. Midnight too. Jayfeather is the wisest of them all. Calling StarClan cats dumb. I remember he said that being dead doesn't make you any wiser, or at least he agreed with Sol about it. And he's right. The only spirit who's been helpful is Fallen Leaves because he was like a therapist to Hollyleaf, and he isn't even from StarClan. Spottedleaf might have helped a few times too, but her obsession with Firestar was annoying so she doesn't count. Pretty much all StarClan cats are useless. I agree that Jayfeather is so wise. To me, he's the smartest cat in the whole series. Hm I don't remember much about when Sol was in the Clans. I'll search for what you mentioned. Fallen Leaves is very helpful to Hollyleaf. Yeah that's true. I do think when Jayfeather was trying to unite the StarClan cats, that Brambleberry was wise when she said there was no borders (or shouldn't be) in StarClan. But then, I may be biased since Brambleberry's one of my top favorite medicine cats. |
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Post by Holly Snow on Aug 26, 2016 14:59:38 GMT -5
Rock seems wiser than StarClan sometimes. Midnight too. Jayfeather is the wisest of them all. Calling StarClan cats dumb. I remember he said that being dead doesn't make you any wiser, or at least he agreed with Sol about it. And he's right. The only spirit who's been helpful is Fallen Leaves because he was like a therapist to Hollyleaf, and he isn't even from StarClan. Spottedleaf might have helped a few times too, but her obsession with Firestar was annoying so she doesn't count. Pretty much all StarClan cats are useless. Silverstream was helpful a few times. and Feathertail and Bluestar tried to be helpful. the rest were ick |
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Aug 26, 2016 15:08:09 GMT -5
I think they make matters worse. Yellowfang is a prime example and I have a headcanon that the omen came from Birchface in MV.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Aug 26, 2016 22:19:08 GMT -5
I kind of like the theory that Rock is the one who sees the future and he gives StarClan the information. That would explain why StarClan fails over and over again to warn the Clans. They only know what Rock wants them to know. Someone needs to ask Vicky this question. It is a really good theory. On it. |
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Post by Mistybreeze on Aug 26, 2016 22:29:14 GMT -5
I kind of like the theory that Rock is the one who sees the future and he gives StarClan the information. That would explain why StarClan fails over and over again to warn the Clans. They only know what Rock wants them to know. Someone needs to ask Vicky this question. It is a really good theory. I asked her. I will post her reply when I see it. |
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Post by Mᴏᴏɴ - - on Aug 27, 2016 6:22:23 GMT -5
Not to mention that they can be incredibly vague and unhelpful sometimes.
Now I see that they've gotten notably worse throughout the series.
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Post by Cloverfrost on Aug 27, 2016 6:47:33 GMT -5
The Clans seem to think they're all-knowing and all-powerful but really they have very little power (which I think is brought up in the series but I don't remember when) Dawnfire has a theory that StarClan has their own ancestors who tell them all the omens, StarStarClan. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 9:28:50 GMT -5
I think they make matters worse. Yellowfang is a prime example and I have a headcanon that the omen came from Birchface in MV. Let's not forget how Yellowfang ruined Cinderheart's life for a while and apparently StarClan yelled at her for it. |
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Post by CreamCrow on Aug 27, 2016 9:29:47 GMT -5
I agree with all of this.
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Post by ❄️Raccoonstep❄️ on Aug 27, 2016 9:37:44 GMT -5
I know, I liked them in the first series but not so much anymore.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Aug 27, 2016 12:10:33 GMT -5
I got a reply.
StarClan is not perfect or an almighty force that can push away all problems and evil. They give the cats all the signs and prophecies they need, but what the living cats do with the information is in their paws. They are to interpret the prophecies, to decide what to do, to choose their path.
The living cats still have their free will and StarClan would never take it from them by warning them every time something cloud go wrong or forcing everyone into their best destiny.
Also, I wouldn't say StarClan is rally failing. The Clans are still alive and intact and always recover from the things that happen so they do a good job giving hints how to survive but not taking the free will from the cats.
No, Rock didn't hide anything from the StarClan cats.
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Post by Cheyenne on Aug 27, 2016 14:46:12 GMT -5
That's just how the story was written...maybe the Erins just didn't think about that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2016 19:46:51 GMT -5
This is why I hate StarClan. When there's an actual problem, like BloodClan, they sit back and do nothing. They might send a vague omen or something, but that's about it. But when Lionblaze can't decide between vole or squirrel for dinner, suddenly every StarClan cat and their mother is involved telling Lionblaze it's his destiny to eat the vole because the future of the Clans depend on it.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Aug 27, 2016 21:16:45 GMT -5
I don't think StarClan is supposed to fix every problem. I believe they give the Clans free choice to act the way they want to act. I believe they only interfere when the Clans are in jeopardy of being destroyed.
BloodClan, the Dark Forest, the twolegs were all forces outside of the Clans that were going to destroy them.
The battle in Eclipse was bad but two Clans have teamed against one before in the past and StarClan didn't interfere with that it was up to the other Clan to decide to get involved.
If StarClan helped the Clans with every little thing than what makes the cats warriors? Fighting is apart of the Clans life, wars are too.
The Clans know each others strengths and weaknesses and they're familiar with one another and the 14th code makes it so that deaths are few and far between.
But for things outside the Clans like BloodClan and other enemies the Clans are unfamiliar with they interfere because th ey don't want to see the Clans destroyed they want to try and prevent that.
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Post by Ligerfrost on Aug 27, 2016 21:34:38 GMT -5
I got a reply. StarClan is not perfect or an almighty force that can push away all problems and evil. They give the cats all the signs and prophecies they need, but what the living cats do with the information is in their paws. They are to interpret the prophecies, to decide what to do, to choose their path. The living cats still have their free will and StarClan would never take it from them by warning them every time something cloud go wrong or forcing everyone into their best destiny. Also, I wouldn't say StarClan is rally failing. The Clans are still alive and intact and always recover from the things that happen so they do a good job giving hints how to survive but not taking the free will from the cats. No, Rock didn't hide anything from the StarClan cats. When I made my post I hadn't read this. So this confirms what I thought. |
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Post by Cloudshadow on Aug 28, 2016 1:58:13 GMT -5
My opinion is that StarClan's wise, mysterious and all powerful image was shed purposefully. Jayfeather has (supposedly) more power than StarClan itself and his abilities to walk where he wants along with his status as a medicine cat and his sharp mind allow him to see StarClan as what they are not what they are portrayed to be in earlier series. Not to mention Jayfeather doesn't really care if a cat is from StarClan or not, he'll still tell them they're mousebrained if he thinks so. Previous POVs looked up to and respected StarClan much more.
Of course StarClan has been meddling more than previously so it's not all down to POV but what I've said above makes a lot of sense to me.
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Post by Jayfeather on Aug 28, 2016 12:10:43 GMT -5
I completely agree with you.
THEY'RE JUST DEAD CATS.
(I am so happy I got a profile in time to snag this SN)
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Post by Jayfeather on Aug 28, 2016 12:13:28 GMT -5
It's actually my second profile. I was Demosthenes, which I made to argue with my other profile, Πιghtωιηg. It was hilarious when it worked out.
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