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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jun 4, 2020 2:22:45 GMT -5
What do you think of her, and do you think she should've been forgiven?
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Jun 4, 2020 2:33:59 GMT -5
She's terrible. She didn't let Feather and Storm say goodbye to their father and she waited a very long time to apologize for ordering their execution. I thought Feathertail forgave her a little fast, considering that she spent most of the book distrusting/hating her, but it's not the worst thing in the world considering Leopardstar did risk one of her lives for her. She did seem to change for the better, but I'm not sure she deserves forgiveness (at least from Storm, Feather, and Misty) after ordering the execution of two apprentices and letting her deputy die. Maybe eventually after some time has passed, but not right away.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Jun 4, 2020 11:54:09 GMT -5
Nope. She's a terrible leader. She didn't let Feather or Storm say goodbye to their dad, she waited at least a year to apologize for trying to have Feather and Storm killed, and...she still ordered Stonefur and Feather/Storm to die. She's an awful cat who doesn't deserve forgiveness. I don't think she's a wonderful leader at all or a good cat.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jun 4, 2020 12:01:18 GMT -5
Leopardstar more like
Trashstar
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jun 4, 2020 12:01:57 GMT -5
Her pride should have costed her more dearly. Honestly, RiverClan should have had a coup against her because of her clear hatred towards ThunderClan but hypocritical softness for Tigerstar. She was not suitable for leadership and I'm surprised that RiverClan didn't demand for her removal. Same applies to Blackstar, which is funny and also sad, just as a poor leader as her.
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Post by Brindlefern on Jun 4, 2020 12:10:55 GMT -5
I don't mind that Feather forgave her because at least her being angry at her for so long made sense, but also I don't think Leopardstar should've been forgiven either. It could've been a good way to show you don't need to forgive someone who put you through trauma, and frankly I thought they were setting up for that as that's a good message to give. I'll never forgive her though. She apologizes for being an idiot at the time of the comic sure, but then she goes BACK to being an idiot by joining Onestar in the midnight raid.
Apologies for stupid shit mean NOTHING if you are gonna go back to doing that stupid shit later, no matter how far down the line that "later" is.
So she sucks and I still very much dislike her, I'd say I hate her now even.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jun 4, 2020 16:34:56 GMT -5
I really wished we got a Herb and Bojack scene
Feathertail just turns on a cornered Leopardstar after the attack or something, Leopardstar thinks shes okay and in the clear now and nope
'You have to live the sh**** thing, you did, for the rest of your life. You have to know that it's never ever going to be okay. '
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Jun 4, 2020 23:29:26 GMT -5
Leopardstar probably shouldn't have been forgiven by Feathertail if we were just looking at it objectively on paper. But I think that Feathertail needed to forgive Leopardstar if she ever wanted to really find happiness in RiverClan. I feel like Feathertail didn't actually need to forgive Leopardstar to find happiness in RiverClan; she just needed to forgive/befriend some of her clanmates. I'd actually rather she didn't forgive Leopardstar after all the trauma she put her through. It felt kind of unnatural.
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Post by wftl1980 on Jun 5, 2020 4:00:06 GMT -5
Feathertail and Stormfur are better people than me. I’d have never forgiven Leopardstar in a million years.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jun 5, 2020 5:02:58 GMT -5
Forgiveness is a choice. It can take a few moments for someone to realize they messed up, even years, but Leopardstar did figure it out eventually and apologized for it. But forgiving her was up to Feather and Storm. I don't think Leopardstar was a bad leader or cat, in general, she just made horrible choices and she does have some sense or morality, similar to Blackstar. As much as I like Graystripe, keep in mind that she never trusted him, and rightfully so because he was also actively betraying RiverClan and leaking information to ThunderClan at the time. Then didn't follow orders in the middle of a battle, choosing Firestar over RiverClan. Graystripe may be a good father, but his loyalty is never really to the clans he's in, but to the cats in it. She exiled Graystripe on the spot for being a traitor, there really is no room for his children to say good-bye in a situation like that.
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Post by Jaysnow on Jun 5, 2020 18:46:29 GMT -5
I think it would’ve been a bit more interesting if Feathertail didn’t forgive her, but learned to respect her as her Clan leader instead.
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Post by Ebonywing on Jun 5, 2020 19:55:57 GMT -5
Leopardstar has always seemed to be universally disliked, besides from those who ship her with Sasha, it seems. For a long time, I've tried so hard to like her, I really did! I have always adored her design. But even aesthetics can't make up for just how awful Leopardstar was. She was selfish and a coward, and undeserving of her role as a leader. Allying herself with Tigerstar put her entire clan in danger. She was willing to allow the cats she was trusted to protect to be brutally slaughtered. I don't know if the old reasoning behind her godawful decision was retconned (that she had a crush on Tigerstar), but I don't believe for a second that the reasoning she does give in Secrets of the Clans was truthful. I do understand why it was good, for her own sake, for Feathertail to ultimately forgive Leopardstar. However, I do have to agree with RiverClan Stan here. Personally, I think this would have made a much better and more realistic ending.
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