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Post by Woofzie on Aug 25, 2016 21:01:29 GMT -5
Hi! I decided to create this, because I want to know about your opinion about certain characters. Some may be hated, some may be loved. Feel free to debate RESPECTFULLY, please. Keep in mid some of us have different opinions.
What's your opinion about Bluestar? Was she a good leader for TC? Was she right to try to apart Sowfur from Thistleclaw? What do you think abour her decisions? Tell us all you think about her!
With love, Taquito ~
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Post by Woofzie on Aug 25, 2016 21:06:44 GMT -5
Ok, I'll do my opinion: I hate Bluestar.
One: She thought in Snowpaw as a traitor. Why? Because she moved on after the death of her mother. Like, srsly? Now everybody has to mourn for moons and cannot move on because you don't want to? I get she was young but still, that immature thought was really annoying when I first read it. And I admit it: despite her choice of a mate, Snowfur was more mature tan Bluefur/Bluestar was. Yes, everybody handles grief in different ways BUT it's always negative when you took it too far and mourn for months, years. She was lost in grief SEVERAL times, and those times the clan was affected (when she refused to train correctly, when she totally forgots about Whitekit even if he needed her, when she refuses to listen Fireheart about Tigerclaw when he just makes a comment about two RivenClan warriors who were her son and daughter and, the worst, the downfall of ThunderClan when she got mad).
Two: Even if I agree than Thistleclaw wasn't the right choice for Snowfur, she loved him. Bluefur wasn't right to try and split them... yes, she was right when she warned her sister but whe must respect her decisions too. I don't blame her for the hole Thistle and Whitekit thing. She was right and she did the best to educate her sister's son. And even, I don't blame her for fall in love with Oakheart or giving away her kits. I understand that it was the only choice to save the clan. But I blame her for just forget about Whitekit and his feelings. He was all her sister had left and she rejected him... but it's okay, she realises than she was wrong.
She wasn't as wise as everybody said: In my opinion she was rather dumb. She gives Ravenpaw, a shy and nervous cat to a agressive and impatient warrior to be apprenticed and everyone could see Ravenpaw was having a bad time in the Clan because his mentor (he's even described as skinny, with a depressed-look) and she does nothing to change this. She was leader, she had to be in everything about her Clan and... c'mon... doing nothing for the poor Ravenpaw was awful. The thing that bothers me in ItW is WHY she didn't ask Crookedstar about Oakheart and Redtail's death. It was her deputy, her right hand, and the battle were he died was in her territory... When Fireheart confesses about Tigerclaw she looks interested... until he mentions Misty and Stone, then she goes nuts and inmediatly forgets about Fiteheart had said and decides to trust Tigerclaw... without asking what happened... even if she didn't asked, she still had no excuse to got mad in Forest of Secrets to A Dangerous Path. Why? Nobody had been a traitor in ThunderClan (besides Pinestar but he doesn't count. He never tried to kill his leader), she saw Tigerclaw grow (trained by Thistleclaw, her agressive "enemy") Goosefeather and Fireheart warned about him, she saw almost kill Tiny... and yet she's surprised when she tries to kill her!? That makes NO sense. And it makes even more nonsense that she went mad and thinks everyone is a traitor... really? She gave Lostface her name... what was the point of that? It was her own fight with StarClan, no Lostface's. She had a horrible time when she had that name, just because Bluestar. No. I cannot forgive or understand Bluestar. For me, there is no excuse for her, she was just mentally weak and incapable to lead well. A great leader knows how to lead in times where everything seems wrong or bad, not just in good times. Bluestar didn't do that.
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 25, 2016 21:49:24 GMT -5
i don't know why she would let a cat be her deputy, when she witnessed first-hand the problematic things he was taught at an early age. then proceed to get shocked when he's problematic and wants to be problematic as well. her warriors/apprentices took down a dictator who made kits into apprentices too soon. amazing. then in the next book she makes kits into apprentices. she confused and annoyed me with her feelings for oakheart. she hated him and then is claiming she loves him right after and ends up with kits from spending one night with him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 22:18:28 GMT -5
What's your opinion about Bluestar? I didn't vote cause I simply like her- I don't love, hate, or am neutral with her.
Was she a good leader for TC? I think she was an ok leader. The famine- and all the deaths as a result of it- weren't her fault, since the clan just got overpopulated and ran out of prey- the same thing happened in the end of Doestar's leadership. She was stern, yet, and sometimes unsympathetic- but as they all say, if you want sympathy go to the nursery, and Bluestar was definitely no nursery queen. I get people hate her for how she acted at the end of her leadership- but depression is a real thing that some people have a harder time with, and Bluestar just happened to get kicked in and head by it. She wasn't awesome leadership-wise, but I can tell she tried, and when she failed, she never meant to hurt anyone and most of the time had good intentions.
Was she right to try to apart Sowfur from Thistleclaw? What do you think abour her decisions? look... about the whole Thistleclaw thing, I'm honestly tired of the whole "OMG she hated someone for who she was dating what a jerkish snob she better get out of her business" look, the Erins must be telling us something when every single couple that gets warned by others not to happen- never works out. Cinderpelt warned Leafpool about Crowfeather- that relationship didn't work out. Fireheart warned Graystripe- their relationship didn't work out. Sagewhisker warned Yellowfang- their relationship didn't work out. Heh, remember Leafpool warning Squirrelflight about Bramblestar? Hah, they didn't work out either. Hollyeaf was angry at Lionblaze for meeting Heathertail- and that didn't work out. Ivypool was angry at Dovewing being with Tigerheart- Dovewing's relationship didn't work out. Snowfur was angry at Bluestar- and look! OakxBlue didn't work out! Whether or not trying to keep two cats apart is irrelivent when the fact is, even if it doesn't look like it in the moment- the characters who warn their friends/family to not get with someone are 99.9% right. So in the real world, yeah, I get the anger towards her because who knows. But by now, it's obvious that in the Warriors Universe, if characters are discouraged from getting together- that's, most of the time, blunt forshadowing by the Erins that yes, they aren't meant to be together and one way or another, something is going to go wrong and so in this case- Bluestar- and basically anyone who acts in her place in the Warriors series- is automatically right to worry because that's how the Warriors universe works XD
Literally, the moment Sparkpaw catches Alderpaw meeting Needlepaw (which watch, will happen) and warns them, I'm like- yep, something bad is gunna happen. Cause that's just what happens- so I'm not angry anymore when two precious love-doves get told on, cause it's for their own good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 22:56:34 GMT -5
I do not like Bluestar. At all. She was not the great leader that a lot of people think of her as. Just think about it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 15:03:58 GMT -5
I was the first to vote on this, but I never put my reasons why I chose Neutral. Bluestar was an okay character in the original series, and I would have voted for Like if it weren't for how she is in Starclan. It's not as bad as what happened to Yellowfang, but Starclan Bluestar isn't as wise or helpful.
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Post by Pyropelt on Aug 26, 2016 15:17:44 GMT -5
Ehhh I'm neutral on her. I liked her in her SE, and during Into the Wild, but after a couple more books, she kind of went downhill a bit for me.
I get that she had depression but it seemed like the Erins focused too much on that and it seemed to draw away from her character. And then when she was fine in StarClan, it kind of took a big jump from how she was before she died.
So yep I'd say neutral.
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Post by Woofzie on Aug 26, 2016 18:55:31 GMT -5
Hi! Thank you for your opinions c: I'm surprised that nobody had said any reasons why they love Bluestar. Aswell, I'm shocked that most of you are neutral about her. I agree with some of your posts and find interesting the other ones. I cannot remember much about StarClan Bluestar, only that I was tired of hearing about her in the books.
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