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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 20:55:51 GMT -5
I dont get cat genetics, but i DO know that genetics skip generations. i checked on brightheart's side of the family. only cat(s) there who could pass any genes would be Frostfur. Then with frostfur, there would be fuzzypelt, who is black. but even then idk how black translates into gray
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Post by tiger beetle on Aug 25, 2016 21:11:48 GMT -5
genetically it really doesn't work* but genetic arguments are irrelevant in Warriors anyway
*UNLESS for Dovewing we assume that Birchfall, although described as light brown (so this is highly unlikely) is a brown tabby (i.e. black cat) AND that both her parents had the maltese (lightening, so black to gray) gene…and Ivypool doesn't work as a silver tabby but IF Dovewing worked then Ivypool could work as a gray tabby (Whitewing can be handwaved with "Cloudtail had black fur under the white masking gene" which would make Whitewing actually a tortoiseshell/calico except with the white masking you wouldn't be able to see that)
just to clarify, I'm not arguing against Birchfall being the dad
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Post by mEmE on Aug 25, 2016 22:29:03 GMT -5
I said many times before in genetic arguments, I'll just say this again:
RECESSIVE GENES
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 22:47:27 GMT -5
Without getting into cousins: Whitewing's side: Her mother Brightheart is ginger and white.
Her father Cloudtail is white.
Her brother Snowbush is white.
Her brother Dewnose is gray and white.
Her sister Ambermoon is ginger.
Her niece Honeykit is ginger and white.
Her nephew Larkkit is black.
Her niece Leafkit is tortoiseshell.
Her paternal grandmother Princess is brown and white.
Her paternal grandfather is unknown.
Her paternal great grandmother Nutmeg was brown and white.
Her paternal grandfather Jake was ginger.
Both of her paternal grandfather's parents are unknown.
Her maternal aunt Cinderpelt was gray.
Her maternal uncles, Brackenfur and Thornclaw, are both golden-brown tabbies.
Her maternal grandmother Frostfur was white.
Her maternal grandfather Lionheart was a ginger tabby.
Her maternal great aunt Brindleface was a gray tabby.
Her maternal great uncle Dustpelt was brown.
Her maternal great uncle Ravenpaw was black.
Her maternal great aunt Goldenflower was a ginger tabby.
Her maternal great grandmother Robinwing was brown.
Her maternal great grandfather Fuzzypelt was black.
Her other maternal great grandmother Speckletail was a ginger tabby.
Her other maternal great grandfather Smallear was gray.
Birchfall's side: His mother Ferncloud was gray.
His father Dustpelt was brown.
His brother Spiderleg was black.
His brother Shrewpaw was brown.
His sisters Larchkit and Hollykit were both brown tabbies.
His brother Foxleap was reddish-brown.
His sister Icecloud was white.
His niece Rosepetal is cream.
His nephew Toadstep was balck and white.
His maternal uncle Ashfur was gray.
His maternal grandmother Brindleface was a gray tabby.
His maternal great uncle Dustpelt was brown.
His maternal great uncle Ravenpaw was black.
His maternal grandfather is unknown.
His maternal great grandmother Robinwing was brown.
His maternal great grandfather Fuzzypelt was black.
His other maternal great grandparents are unknown.
His paternal aunt Brindleface was a gray tabby.
His paternal aunt Frostfur was white.
His paternal uncle Ravenpaw was black.
His paternal grandmother Robinwing was brown.
His paternal grandfather Fuzzypelt was black. I'm no genetics expert, but I think both Birchfall and Whitewing are capable of producing gray offspring. Ashfur doesn't have to be their father. Dovewing and Ivypool are related to Ashfur anyways. He's their great uncle. That and genetics don't matter in the Warriors world. |
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SurvivorDogStorm309
I was on the Original Forums since it started known then as Spottedfire896 also known as Moon125
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Post by SurvivorDogStorm309 on Aug 25, 2016 22:52:47 GMT -5
Without getting into cousins: Whitewing's side: Her mother Brightheart is ginger and white.
Her father Cloudtail is white.
Her brother Snowbush is white.
Her brother Dewnose is gray and white.
Her sister Ambermoon is ginger.
Her niece Honeykit is ginger and white.
Her nephew Larkkit is black.
Her niece Leafkit is tortoiseshell.
Her paternal grandmother Princess is brown and white.
Her paternal grandfather is unknown.
Her paternal great grandmother Nutmeg was brown and white.
Her paternal grandfather Jake was ginger.
Both of her paternal grandfather's parents are unknown.
Her maternal aunt Cinderpelt was gray.
Her maternal uncles, Brackenfur and Thornclaw, are both golden-brown tabbies.
Her maternal grandmother Frostfur was white.
Her maternal grandfather Lionheart was a ginger tabby.
Her maternal great aunt Brindleface was a gray tabby.
Her maternal great uncle Dustpelt was brown.
Her maternal great uncle Ravenpaw was black.
Her maternal great aunt Goldenflower was a ginger tabby.
Her maternal great grandmother Robinwing was brown.
Her maternal great grandfather Fuzzypelt was black.
Her other maternal great grandmother Speckletail was a ginger tabby.
Her other maternal great grandfather Smallear was gray.
Birchfall's side: His mother Ferncloud was gray.
His father Dustpelt was brown.
His brother Spiderleg was black.
His brother Shrewpaw was brown.
His sisters Larchkit and Hollykit were both brown tabbies.
His brother Foxleap was reddish-brown.
His sister Icecloud was white.
His niece Rosepetal is cream.
His nephew Toadstep was balck and white.
His maternal uncle Ashfur was gray.
His maternal grandmother Brindleface was a gray tabby.
His maternal great uncle Dustpelt was brown.
His maternal great uncle Ravenpaw was black.
His maternal grandfather is unknown.
His maternal great grandmother Robinwing was brown.
His maternal great grandfather Fuzzypelt was black.
His other maternal great grandparents are unknown.
His paternal aunt Brindleface was a gray tabby.
His paternal aunt Frostfur was white.
His paternal uncle Ravenpaw was black.
His paternal grandmother Robinwing was brown.
His paternal grandfather Fuzzypelt was black. I'm no genetics expert, but I think both Birchfall and Whitewing are capable of producing gray offspring. Ashfur doesn't have to be their father. Dovewing and Ivypool are related to Ashfur anyways. He's their great uncle. That and genetics don't matter in the Warriors world. Nice detective work and you are right about that. |
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Post by nem on Aug 26, 2016 6:23:34 GMT -5
Whitewing probably just had two black alleles. Gray and black are two colors that CANNOT skip generations, unless a parent is white or ginger, which Whitewing is. Gray can actually skip generations, but that is only if both parents are non-diluted. I believe that Birchfall was diluted cinnamon.
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Post by rowanthered on Aug 26, 2016 7:17:19 GMT -5
Like many have said, I don't thonk genetics apply to Warriors anyway. If I'm not mistaken, Firestar was described as a solid ginger tom on many occassions. As you probably know, it's impossible for a ginger cat not to have even the faintest tabby markings. Not to mention Redtail. And Let's not forget how kits are born with their permanent eye-colors. But hey, Warriors would not be the same if the authors stuck to realism and factual depictions.
I do not believe the fan theories that Ashfur is the father. There are so many problems with this, and the only proof they've got is the fur color thing.
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SurvivorDogStorm309
I was on the Original Forums since it started known then as Spottedfire896 also known as Moon125
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Post by SurvivorDogStorm309 on Aug 26, 2016 7:27:27 GMT -5
Yeah I know that in Warriors genetics are different which I love there is a cat breed in Africa that people have as pets simaliar to the common house cat and their eyes open sooner I like to think Warriors are there own breed of cat. I found this Although some kittens may open their eyes as early as two days, for the first two weeks most kittens are blind. Once the eyes start opening, it takes on average 2 to 3 days before both are fully open. Thereafter, the kitten starts using visual clues very rapidly. Know Your Cat - The life of a kitten - early development www.knowyourcat.info/info/earlydevelopment.htm |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 7:27:41 GMT -5
genetics don't matter in warriors and i don't know why some people still don't know that
plus, why would ashfur be the father of whitewing's kits ? he seemed far too bitter about squirrelflight to consider being romantic with any other she-cat
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2016 8:07:15 GMT -5
birchfall was most definitely the father, i don't think ashfur would have been close enough to whitewing to have her become pregnant with his kits. literally, the only reason people say this is because the kittens are grey / silver -_-'
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Post by rowanthered on Aug 26, 2016 8:25:35 GMT -5
Yeah I know that in Warriors genetics are different which I love there is a cat breed in Africa that people have as pets simaliar to the common house cat and their eyes open sooner I like to think Warriors are there own breed of cat. I found this Although some kittens may open their eyes as early as two days, for the first two weeks most kittens are blind. Once the eyes start opening, it takes on average 2 to 3 days before both are fully open. Thereafter, the kitten starts using visual clues very rapidly. Know Your Cat - The life of a kitten - early development www.knowyourcat.info/info/earlydevelopment.htmI actually meant the color of the eyes, but you're right, the kits' eyes do open right away in the books, so that's another thing. From raising my own cats, and from reading about them, I know a kitten's eyes a deep, cloudy blue color when they're born. They blue gradually becomes brighter and clearer, but their eyes do not take on their true color until they are 6 months- 1 year old. My cat's eye-color changed when he was two years old. It's kind of the same as with human babies, the way their eyes all start out blue and such. |
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Post by Mistybreeze on Aug 26, 2016 13:46:32 GMT -5
As many have already said, genetics do not apply to Warriors. I'm not really sure why people are continuing to use genetics to argue against a theory that relies on genetics.
So let's just entirely disregard genetics for a moment. The pairing doesn't make sense based on evidence from the books. We have many romance scenes with Birchfall and Whitewing before Whitewing became pregnant. She also became pregnant right around the time Ashfur attacks Squirrelflight and the kits during the fire. He was so consumed with lust and anger over Squirrelflight that he couldn't possibly have had time to father kits with another she-cat. And if he did, why would he still want Squirrelflight if he has moved on? The theory makes no sense solely on the events of the book.
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Post by ❄️Raccoonstep❄️ on Aug 26, 2016 14:01:34 GMT -5
Thank you!
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