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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 20:24:53 GMT -5
Yiiiikes. SH certainly did not do her justice, and neither did this short piece. She came off as obsessive, spiteful (the 'disappear like dew part' was just bleagh) and lowkey rude to the reader. They could've done so much better with this character.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Apr 27, 2020 20:34:44 GMT -5
I honestly prefer SHA's characterization of Spottedleaf. The books seem like they are trying to make her seem "sweet" when the spite she displays here better aligns with her actions.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 27, 2020 20:44:43 GMT -5
You speak of them not doing her justice, but exactly what has she done in the books to deserve justice to begin with? We know nothing about her character in the canon books beyond being an airhead and romantic.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 27, 2020 20:51:57 GMT -5
I honestly prefer SHA's characterization of Spottedleaf. The books seem like they are trying to make her seem "sweet" when the spite she displays here better aligns with her actions. i always supported the vindictive and petty spottedleaf tbh. SHA really supported it up to a certain point. |
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Post by MadameDelune on Apr 27, 2020 20:55:11 GMT -5
there's another book on spottedleaf? duuude
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Apr 27, 2020 21:08:13 GMT -5
there's another book on spottedleaf? duuude It's a short story, about 2-3 pages long, written by Vicky. |
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Post by MadameDelune on Apr 27, 2020 21:10:46 GMT -5
there's another book on spottedleaf? duuude It's a short story, about 2-3 pages long, written by Vicky. Thanks I'ma go read it rn |
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Post by MadameDelune on Apr 27, 2020 21:20:45 GMT -5
she's pissed lmao
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 27, 2020 21:39:48 GMT -5
The biggest sin Spottedleaf committed was calling the name Rusty and other names that humans use for their cats “ridiculous” when we have cats named Runningnose, Deadfoot, Crookedjaw, and Brokentail. Forget Spottedleaf; Rusty is a beautiful cat name, and I will never forgive her.
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 27, 2020 21:42:24 GMT -5
Oh yeah, if you though I hated Spottedleaf before, that short story really nailed the coffin for me no doubt. Petty spiteful obsessive femcel...
If you take account of SH it actually makes her whole character way creepier, the novella only made me feel even more blegh about her as a whole more on that note.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 21:47:05 GMT -5
Where can you read this?
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 27, 2020 21:49:19 GMT -5
Just google it and it should be the first or second result by silverpelt. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2020 21:53:37 GMT -5
Thank you  |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Apr 28, 2020 0:04:27 GMT -5
I refuse to accept spottedleafs heart
but in her honest answer atleast she has some character
'I began to seeFirepaw differently'
Why does no one talk about this? this was in the main series and is..super creepy
Honestly this thing gives evil spottedleaf a whole new look, not evil cause she was upset she died too early but just...obsessive
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 0:17:51 GMT -5
I refuse to accept spottedleafs heart but in her honest answer atleast she has some character 'I began to seeFirepaw differently' Why does no one talk about this? this was in the main series and is..super creepy Honestly this thing gives evil spottedleaf a whole new look, not evil cause she was upset she died too early but just...obsessive that makes a weird double standard if you consider thistleclaw creepy for preying on spottedleaf as an apprentice (which he was). when spottedleaf died, firepaw was still an apprentice. she was old enough to be his mother. i always found the ship kinda creepy but having THIS now rlly makes me realize why evil spottedleaf is so popular. though it at least gives her more character than "smells good". |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 28, 2020 0:28:27 GMT -5
I refuse to accept spottedleafs heart but in her honest answer atleast she has some character 'I began to seeFirepaw differently' Why does no one talk about this? this was in the main series and is..super creepy Honestly this thing gives evil spottedleaf a whole new look, not evil cause she was upset she died too early but just...obsessive that makes a weird double standard if you consider thistleclaw creepy for preying on spottedleaf as an apprentice (which he was). when spottedleaf died, firepaw was still an apprentice. she was old enough to be his mother. i always found the ship kinda creepy but having THIS now rlly makes me realize why evil spottedleaf is so popular. though it at least gives her more character than "smells good". i forget how old spottedleaf was supposed to be...i always perceived her as being young, but still older than firepaw and the other apprentices |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 0:31:59 GMT -5
that makes a weird double standard if you consider thistleclaw creepy for preying on spottedleaf as an apprentice (which he was). when spottedleaf died, firepaw was still an apprentice. she was old enough to be his mother. i always found the ship kinda creepy but having THIS now rlly makes me realize why evil spottedleaf is so popular. though it at least gives her more character than "smells good". i forget how old spottedleaf was supposed to be...i always perceived her as being young, but still older than firepaw and the other apprentices according to the wiki she was 4 years old at death, which is a pretty big gap from firepaws 6-12 months. i dont rlly mind age gaps in warriors as long as both cats are fully grown and have their warrior names, because despite how much their society has been crafted in a human-like way, i can still accept that these are CATS, and stuff like age gaps will happen because they dont care as much. but warriors grooming apprentices or being obsessive and creepy over them is kinda where i put my line. i really do not like it at all, especially with how most apprentices behave more like teens. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 28, 2020 0:33:36 GMT -5
This short story always left a bad taste in my life, especially when she implied she wanted Sandstorm out of the picture. They really failed in making her sympathetic.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 28, 2020 0:34:05 GMT -5
@nettles
if apprentices are perceived by the fandom as being tweens to older teens, then spottedleaf is like uhhh...? over 20?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 0:37:16 GMT -5
@nettles if apprentices are perceived by the fandom as being tweens to older teens, then spottedleaf is like uhhh...? over 20? idk about the rest of the fandom since im not too active in these discussions but for me the way i perceive the ages are: kit: 1-12 apprentice: 12-18/20 warrior/full medicine cat/etc: 20+ average elder: probably somewhere in the ballpark of 70+ to 80+ spottedleaf i personally view as being like, 25+ age wise, at least from how shes written to act. how i perceive a characters age depends heavily on their mentality. so yeah i didnt think about it much as a kid but once i got old enough to rlly formulate my opinions on the way the ranks are written, i found spottedleaf MEGA creepy. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 28, 2020 0:37:23 GMT -5
that makes a weird double standard if you consider thistleclaw creepy for preying on spottedleaf as an apprentice (which he was). when spottedleaf died, firepaw was still an apprentice. she was old enough to be his mother. i always found the ship kinda creepy but having THIS now rlly makes me realize why evil spottedleaf is so popular. though it at least gives her more character than "smells good". i forget how old spottedleaf was supposed to be...i always perceived her as being young, but still older than firepaw and the other apprentices It doesn't help that the books themselves portray her as young. But if it helps to compare her age to other cats somewhat similar to her in age, she was still an apprentice when Bluefur's kits were born, and Mistyfoot and Stonefur were already warriors by the time Willowbreeze became pregnant. So yeah, she was definitely older than how she initially seems. |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 28, 2020 0:42:19 GMT -5
i forget how old spottedleaf was supposed to be...i always perceived her as being young, but still older than firepaw and the other apprentices It doesn't help that the books themselves portray her as young. But if it helps to compare her age to other cats somewhat similar to her in age, she was still an apprentice when Bluefur's kits were born, and Mistyfoot and Stonefur were already warriors by the time Willowbreeze became pregnant. So yeah, she was definitely older than how she initially seems. oh geez...i have to re-read the books now so i can regain some of this knowledge and new perspectives |
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 28, 2020 0:43:44 GMT -5
@nettles if apprentices are perceived by the fandom as being tweens to older teens, then spottedleaf is like uhhh...? over 20? idk about the rest of the fandom since im not too active in these discussions but for me the way i perceive the ages are: kit: 1-12 apprentice: 12-18/20 warrior/full medicine cat/etc: 20+ average elder: probably somewhere in the ballpark of 70+ to 80+ spottedleaf i personally view as being like, 25+ age wise, at least from how shes written to act. how i perceive a characters age depends heavily on their mentality. so yeah i didnt think about it much as a kid but once i got old enough to rlly formulate my opinions on the way the ranks are written, i found spottedleaf MEGA creepy. i can see that. like mothflight just said here, spottedleaf was an apprentice when bluestar had her kits. this puts it into a new light for me because i viewed mistyfoot and stonefur as old meanwhile the books made me think spottedleaf was "young" |
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 28, 2020 0:45:31 GMT -5
Thing is I think a lot of people find it creepy, like I most certainly do, especially when you know she admits that she wasn’t happy that Firestar was moving on from her SEASONS after her death even though she stayed supportive of him.
The biggest problem with her character that makes itself apparent in Spottedleaf’s Honest Answer was that the Erins always kept defining her by her “romance” with Firestar even when they were trying to endear her to the audience. She’s always going to be known first and foremost that she is in love with him and has little personality elsewhere. The Erins could have written about anything in an interview with Spottedleaf (for instance, what’s it like being a StarClan warrior? What was it like dying? They tell us about how she stayed in her den for a month after but her thoughts are still of Firepaw and how she wished he died with her) and kept Firestar as a small portion of it instead of making it the sole reason we were talking to her, where even the StarClan cats know that her weird obsession is all there is to her. That’s all she exists as.
Spottedleaf’s Heart didn’t talk about her romance with Firestar for once but what we had instead almost blacklists the book entirely within the fandom. She should have stopped being relevant when TNP rolled around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 0:47:19 GMT -5
Thing is I think a lot of people find it creepy, like I most certainly do, especially when you know she admits that she wasn’t happy that Firestar was moving on from her SEASONS after her death even though she stayed supportive of him. The biggest problem with her character that makes itself apparent in Spottedleaf’s Honest Answer was that the Erins always kept defining her by her “romance” with Firestar even when they were trying to endear her to the audience. She’s always going to be known first and foremost that she is in love with him and has little personality elsewhere. The Erins could have written about anything in an interview with Spottedleaf’ for instance, what’s it like being a StarClan warrior? What was it like dying? They tell us about how she stayed in her den for a month after but her thoughts are still of Firepaw and how she wished he died with her) and kept Firestar as a small portion of it instead of making it the sole reason we were talking to her, where even the StarClan cats know that her weird obsession is all there is to her. That’s all she exists as. Spottedleaf’s Heart didn’t talk about her romance with Firestar for once but what we had instead almost blacklists the book entirely within the fandom. She should have stopped being relevant when TNP rolled around. i mean theres something to be said about a lady who keeps stalking around in the dreams of a guy whos married and has kids YEARS after he clearly moved on from her. the harder the erins push their "connection" the more flat of a character spottedleaf becomes, and the more unnerving she is as well. its like she just popped into existence solely to obsess over him. |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Apr 28, 2020 0:50:15 GMT -5
I refuse to accept spottedleafs heart but in her honest answer atleast she has some character 'I began to seeFirepaw differently' Why does no one talk about this? this was in the main series and is..super creepy Honestly this thing gives evil spottedleaf a whole new look, not evil cause she was upset she died too early but just...obsessive that makes a weird double standard if you consider thistleclaw creepy for preying on spottedleaf as an apprentice (which he was). when spottedleaf died, firepaw was still an apprentice. she was old enough to be his mother. i always found the ship kinda creepy but having THIS now rlly makes me realize why evil spottedleaf is so popular. though it at least gives her more character than "smells good". I consider both of it super creepy what im saying is everyone likes to pounce on thistle and ignore spotted
and I cant help but wonder if its because spottedleaf is a she cat.
A super creepy character but a character none the less.
Imagine if Spottedleafs Heart was instead a horror adult book about her obsession over this cat?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2020 0:54:26 GMT -5
that makes a weird double standard if you consider thistleclaw creepy for preying on spottedleaf as an apprentice (which he was). when spottedleaf died, firepaw was still an apprentice. she was old enough to be his mother. i always found the ship kinda creepy but having THIS now rlly makes me realize why evil spottedleaf is so popular. though it at least gives her more character than "smells good". I consider both of it super creepy what im saying is everyone likes to pounce on thistle and ignore spotted
and I cant help but wonder if its because spottedleaf is a she cat.
A super creepy character but a character none the less.
Imagine if Spottedleafs Heart was instead a horror adult book about her obsession over this cat?
yeah thats generally my thoughts on it. especially from the way the writers treat it. i feel like if firepaw and spottedleaf switched genders, spottedleaf would be treated as a much more sinister presence in the series. i dont feel like people strongly defend her when its pointed out, but nobody seems to really think about it either, and im not sure if its because shes a she-cat or if its because shes written as though shes young or if its because the narrative doesnt act like its a creepy thing. |
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Apr 28, 2020 1:00:39 GMT -5
It doesn't help that the books themselves portray her as young. But if it helps to compare her age to other cats somewhat similar to her in age, she was still an apprentice when Bluefur's kits were born, and Mistyfoot and Stonefur were already warriors by the time Willowbreeze became pregnant. So yeah, she was definitely older than how she initially seems. oh geez...i have to re-read the books now so i can regain some of this knowledge and new perspectives In general, the Erins have trouble keeping up with the ages of their own characters the longer the series gets. |
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Post by fireflylanes on Apr 28, 2020 1:44:36 GMT -5
every added piece of information we get about spottedleaf just makes me dislike her more
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 28, 2020 2:47:02 GMT -5
that makes a weird double standard if you consider thistleclaw creepy for preying on spottedleaf as an apprentice (which he was). when spottedleaf died, firepaw was still an apprentice. she was old enough to be his mother. i always found the ship kinda creepy but having THIS now rlly makes me realize why evil spottedleaf is so popular. though it at least gives her more character than "smells good". I consider both of it super creepy what im saying is everyone likes to pounce on thistle and ignore spotted
and I cant help but wonder if its because spottedleaf is a she cat.
A super creepy character but a character none the less.
Imagine if Spottedleafs Heart was instead a horror adult book about her obsession over this cat?
They (Especially Tumblr) also use Spotted "being a victim" as an excuse to not hag on her creepiness as if that excuses her literally creeping on a cat barely out of kithood himself. Being a victim or anything doesn't excuse behavior (Starclan forbid behavior as nasty as that), it EXPLAINS it, but even then her creepiness was established before the blasted novella, it's jus now, thanks to how she is in the series itself, it just added more fuel to the fire. And just reminds me of the people that use mental illness to excuse shitty behavior. Whether you account for SH or not, regardless Spottedleaf in the end is still a creep (who if you see SH as canon, was practically continuing a cycle) and people should be allowed to rag on her for that. Even without SH or acknowledging it as canon people should be allowed to rag on it cause even without it is gross, addition to SHA which just adds more to hate her for as an adult. It adds "creepy obsessive stalker who can't get over not having a literal happily married man as HERs and wants his wife gone and probably lied about their relationship being okay the entire time seeing as she's sulking constantly in heaven about him seasons later after she said so" as a trait. Forgive my very vindictive venom btw |
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