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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 17:41:20 GMT -5
IF (yes, that's a big "if") the film ever sees the light of day, what will be some likely changes from the original books?
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 19, 2020 17:44:57 GMT -5
I really hope it doesn’t ever see the light of day.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Apr 19, 2020 17:46:56 GMT -5
Assuming the film adaptation is on Into the Wild, they might cut out/combine some background characters to make the large cast more manageable. I can seem them cutting Dustpelt as his role is filled by Sandstorm and Longtail well enough. They could also combine some of the queens (like Speckletail and Frostfur for example) or just cut Speckletail out entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 17:59:30 GMT -5
I really hope it doesn’t ever see the light of day. With it's apparent speed of production, we likely won't be seeing this film for quite a while.
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Post by TigerLily on Apr 19, 2020 18:05:04 GMT -5
If it's just of Into the Wild, I highly doubt Tigerclaw will be outed as a villain in the movie and it will focus on Brokenstar as the villain. MAYBE there's a clip at the end that shows him being kinda evil or something to have a cliffhanger, but it kinda depends on what the filmmakers want to do. If it's of multiple books, I think Brokenstar will be scrapped completely (and Tigerstar will probably be given some of his backstory).
ThunderClan will probably be cut down to only a few key characters. I can see Longtail and Darkstripe being merged, Dustpaw scrapped, Lionheart and Whitestorm being merged, the elders being cut down to one or two, and some queens being cut as well (Goldenflower and Frostfur would probably remain). Runningwind and Willowpelt will definitely be cut, but Mousefur will probably stay since she is mentioned in the prologue scene, which is often adapted (at least by fans) to the word.
We would probably see even less of the other Clans.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 18:10:37 GMT -5
If it's just of Into the Wild, I highly doubt Tigerclaw will be outed as a villain in the movie and it will focus on Brokenstar as the villain. MAYBE there's a clip at the end that shows him being kinda evil or something to have a cliffhanger, but it kinda depends on what the filmmakers want to do. If it's of multiple books, I think Brokenstar will be scrapped completely (and Tigerstar will probably be given some of his backstory). ThunderClan will probably be cut down to only a few key characters. I can see Longtail and Darkstripe being merged, Dustpaw scrapped, Lionheart and Whitestorm being merged, the elders being cut down to one or two, and some queens being cut as well (Goldenflower and Frostfur would probably remain). Runningwind and Willowpelt will definitely be cut, but Mousefur will probably stay since she is mentioned in the prologue scene, which is often adapted (at least by fans) to the word. We would probably see even less of the other Clans. If brokenstar is axed in the case of a full OS adaption, what will likely happen to Yellowfang's character?
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 19, 2020 18:23:47 GMT -5
If it's just of Into the Wild, I highly doubt Tigerclaw will be outed as a villain in the movie and it will focus on Brokenstar as the villain. MAYBE there's a clip at the end that shows him being kinda evil or something to have a cliffhanger, but it kinda depends on what the filmmakers want to do. If it's of multiple books, I think Brokenstar will be scrapped completely (and Tigerstar will probably be given some of his backstory). ThunderClan will probably be cut down to only a few key characters. I can see Longtail and Darkstripe being merged, Dustpaw scrapped, Lionheart and Whitestorm being merged, the elders being cut down to one or two, and some queens being cut as well (Goldenflower and Frostfur would probably remain). Runningwind and Willowpelt will definitely be cut, but Mousefur will probably stay since she is mentioned in the prologue scene, which is often adapted (at least by fans) to the word. We would probably see even less of the other Clans. If brokenstar is axed in the case of a full OS adaption, what will likely happen to Yellowfang's character? They'd probably go the route of Fire Alone, where Yellowfang is just the Thunderclan medicine cat to begin with and her backstory is more along the lines of just being an exile from Shadowclan.
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Post by Jaysnow on Apr 19, 2020 18:34:39 GMT -5
I really hope it doesn’t ever see the light of day. With it's apparent speed of production, we likely won't be seeing this film for quite a while. I don’t really think this series is suited for film adaptions....
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Post by Lightflame on Apr 19, 2020 18:38:04 GMT -5
There's a good chance that having different names for each rank will be cut, and every character will just have their warrior name. It works in the books, but the filmmakers may think that general audiences are too dumb to understand it. I'm unsure whether the leaders would have their warrior names, or if they'd all coincidentally have star names.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 19, 2020 18:38:26 GMT -5
Idk why they couldn’t just make a Netflix miniseries or something
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 19, 2020 18:46:12 GMT -5
Idk why they couldn’t just make a Netflix miniseries or something Warriors IS a decently large license. The returns would be much higher on a film that gets a lot of attention. Going straight to Netflix would be a little desperate when the fandom is decently large and they could make a lot more money on a film if things fall into place. Going to Netflix is something you do either when your brand is weak(She-Ra) or when your brand is so strong that it doesn't matter whatsoever(Ultraman and Godzilla) and you can afford to spread out. Warriors, however, is in a position somewhere in between these where it's strong enough that swinging for a homerun is worth it but they also aren't big enough to both swing for a homerun and do Netflix at the same time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:03:53 GMT -5
If brokenstar is axed in the case of a full OS adaption, what will likely happen to Yellowfang's character? They'd probably go the route of Fire Alone, where Yellowfang is just the Thunderclan medicine cat to begin with and her backstory is more along the lines of just being an exile from Shadowclan. I hope I'm not trapping you in a series of rabbit holes, but your response has inspired another follow up question of mine. If Yellowfang is made as the medicine cat pushing the "Fire Alone" prophecy thing, where does that leave Spottedleaf? How likely will see get entirely scrapped or merged with another character in the hypothetical film adaption?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:06:42 GMT -5
With it's apparent speed of production, we likely won't be seeing this film for quite a while. I don’t really think this series is suited for film adaptions.... Agreed.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 19, 2020 19:10:36 GMT -5
They'd probably go the route of Fire Alone, where Yellowfang is just the Thunderclan medicine cat to begin with and her backstory is more along the lines of just being an exile from Shadowclan. I hope I'm not trapping you in a series of rabbit holes, but your response has inspired another follow question of mine. If Yellowfang is made as the medicine cat pushing the "Fire Alone" prophecy thing, where does that leave Spottedleaf? How likely will see get entirely scrapped or merged with another character in the hypothetical film adaption? Dump her. She's worthless to the plot. MAYBE we see a mishmash of Sandstorm/Cinderpelt/Spottedleaf where Fireheart has a fellow apprentice who he falls in love with, but they're the med. cat apprentice. But I doubt it. Sandstorm is definitely going to swallow up a few characters as a composite but I doubt Spottedleaf is one of them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 19:17:38 GMT -5
I hope I'm not trapping you in a series of rabbit holes, but your response has inspired another follow question of mine. If Yellowfang is made as the medicine cat pushing the "Fire Alone" prophecy thing, where does that leave Spottedleaf? How likely will see get entirely scrapped or merged with another character in the hypothetical film adaption? Dump her. She's worthless to the plot. MAYBE we see a mishmash of Sandstorm/Cinderpelt/Spottedleaf where Fireheart has a fellow apprentice who he falls in love with, but they're the med. cat apprentice. But I doubt it. Sandstorm is definitely going to swallow up a few characters as a composite but I doubt Spottedleaf is one of them. Yeah, I think her only real role in the original series was to be the beyond the grave "spirit guide" archetype. Mostly showing up to provide our protagonist vague prophecies, warnings, and advice on his problems. I feel like that niche could easily be filled by other mentor characters, or written out entirely. For obvious reasons, Spottedleaf is very much despised by the fandom. Her absence probably won't be missed by too many fans.
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Post by TigerLily on Apr 19, 2020 19:55:10 GMT -5
They'd probably go the route of Fire Alone, where Yellowfang is just the Thunderclan medicine cat to begin with and her backstory is more along the lines of just being an exile from Shadowclan. I hope I'm not trapping you in a series of rabbit holes, but your response has inspired another follow up question of mine. If Yellowfang is made as the medicine cat pushing the "Fire Alone" prophecy thing, where does that leave Spottedleaf? How likely will see get entirely scrapped or merged with another character in the hypothetical film adaption? Hmm I would like to dump Spottedleaf lol but I think she would either be adapted as a warrior and be Fireheart's girlfriend or she and Yellowfang would both be medicine cats and they'd have a whole forbidden love thing. She and Sandstorm wouldn't be combined, I don't think, as there's too much opportunity for a love triangle set up lmao. That said, a full series adaptation may not have a long enough run time to include both Spottedleaf and Yellowfang, in which case Spottedleaf would probably get axed because Yellowfang is too big a contributor to the plot. Now what would really suck is if they combined Spottedleaf and Yellowfang.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:02:12 GMT -5
I hope I'm not trapping you in a series of rabbit holes, but your response has inspired another follow up question of mine. If Yellowfang is made as the medicine cat pushing the "Fire Alone" prophecy thing, where does that leave Spottedleaf? How likely will see get entirely scrapped or merged with another character in the hypothetical film adaption? Hmm I would like to dump Spottedleaf lol but I think she would either be adapted as a warrior and be Fireheart's girlfriend or she and Yellowfang would both be medicine cats and they'd have a whole forbidden love thing. She and Sandstorm wouldn't be combined, I don't think, as there's too much opportunity for a love triangle set up lmao. That said, a full series adaptation may not have a long enough run time to include both Spottedleaf and Yellowfang, in which case Spottedleaf would probably get axed because Yellowfang is too big a contributor to the plot. Now what would really suck is if they combined Spottedleaf and Yellowfang. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they were merged to a certain extent. For example, they could give Yellowfang Spottedleaf's niche of being the "spirit guide", who periodically dumps overly vague warnings, prophecies, and advice on Fireheart (though hopefully leaving out the supposed "love interest" part of her character).
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Post by TigerLily on Apr 19, 2020 20:05:17 GMT -5
Hmm I would like to dump Spottedleaf lol but I think she would either be adapted as a warrior and be Fireheart's girlfriend or she and Yellowfang would both be medicine cats and they'd have a whole forbidden love thing. She and Sandstorm wouldn't be combined, I don't think, as there's too much opportunity for a love triangle set up lmao. That said, a full series adaptation may not have a long enough run time to include both Spottedleaf and Yellowfang, in which case Spottedleaf would probably get axed because Yellowfang is too big a contributor to the plot. Now what would really suck is if they combined Spottedleaf and Yellowfang. Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they were merged to a certain extent. For example, they could give Yellowfang Spottedleaf's niche of being the "spirit guide", who periodically dumps overly vague warnings, prophecies, and advice on Fireheart (though hopefully leaving out the supposed "love interest" part of her character). Oh I definitely hope they do that, you're onto something there! I will cry if Fireheart and Yellowfang becomes a real ship in this fandom
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:33:56 GMT -5
Watch they pair off Firestar with Spottedleaf or Bluestar lmao or some random OC
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 20:37:54 GMT -5
Actually, I wouldn't be surprised if they were merged to a certain extent. For example, they could give Yellowfang Spottedleaf's niche of being the "spirit guide", who periodically dumps overly vague warnings, prophecies, and advice on Fireheart (though hopefully leaving out the supposed "love interest" part of her character). Oh I definitely hope they do that, you're onto something there! I will cry if Fireheart and Yellowfang becomes a real ship in this fandom To elaborate more, I feel like movie Yellowfang could really work as a hybrid of novel Yellowfang and Spottedleaf. Maybe after getting exiled from Shadowclan, she winds up joining Thunderclan. Perhaps due to her a combination of her expertise and thunderclan's desperate situation at the time, Yellowfang ends up as Thunderclan's medicine cat. Despite her important roll that she plays in the clan, her clan mates still don't fully trust her. Perhaps that is contributed both by her Shadowclan past and her eccentric and standoffish personality.
Once Fireheart shows up, she teaches him how an outsider can adapt to thunderclan life. Along with grooming him to fulfill the "Fire alone" prophecy. Eventually, she is given Spottedleaf's death from defending some kits from her former clanmates. Thus completing her arc of being accepted by the clans. She then becomes Fireheart's spirit guide, like novel Spottedleaf.
Her apprentice that takes over after her death could be a character that is a loose mix of Spottedleaf/Cinderpelt/Sandstorm. Perhaps her character could take on the varying roles that her novel counterparts had in the books. Such as being Fireheart's love interest, and helping him out on his quests whenever she could.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 19, 2020 21:02:57 GMT -5
Watch they pair off Firestar with Spottedleaf or Bluestar lmao or some random OC Bluestar won't happen because as a mentor character she either dies or just gives out some quippy advice at the end.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2020 22:35:55 GMT -5
I'm also curious to see how hypothetical film adaption will handle subplots like the Windclan exile thing, Cloudtail, the shadowclan rouges, Graystripe's illict affair with silverstream, Tigerstar's tigerclan unification of Shadow and Riverclans, etc.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 19, 2020 23:15:10 GMT -5
i dont think it will work as a movie. if it becomes a movie, they'll condense the entire prophecy begins series into 2 hours max just like guardians of ga'hoole (which super condensed and changed a LOT of stuff to do the first major arc which was 4 books)
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Post by Basement Cat on Apr 20, 2020 3:22:14 GMT -5
It won't have Hollyleaf in it.
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Post by kinkajou on Apr 20, 2020 18:31:44 GMT -5
I wrote this a long time ago but here it is again
-Gray Wing and all the other cats who ever left the mountains at any time leave at the start of the movie. They instantly arrive at the old forest, each of the founders takes a territory and names it after themselves -Rusty wanders into the forest as the screen says 1000 moons later. He is attacked by Graypaw then invited to join ThunderClan by Bluestar and Lionheart. He accepts without second thought. On the way to camp they meet Yellowfang, who is invited to join ThunderClan as their med cat, as Spottedleaf is already dead. She too accepts instantly. Both are easily accepted into the clan. Ravenpaw reveals Redtail's murderer right away and Tigerclaw is kicked out of ThunderClan. Time skip and all the original apprentices are warriors, except Ravenpaw, who is forgotten about*. At the gathering Tigerstar is revealed to be the leader of ShadowClan. BloodClan is also there and Scourge kills Tigerstar. The clans join fight against BloodClan and win - Brambleclaw awakes from a dream, murmuring the new prophecy to himself with no context. He wakes Squirrelpaw and the two meet the other TNP cats at fourtrees and the journey is skipped over until they meet Midnight, who tells them the forest is in danger. The journey home is skipped. They have no trouble getting the clans to leave the forest and find a new home. The journey there is skipped, and the clans settle into their new territories - Squirrelflight's kits have their apprentice ceremony. Jaypaw starts as a med cat and Hollypaw as a warrior. Jaypaw learns about the prophecy and instantly tells his littermates. There is a montage of Lionpaw/blaze and Jaypaw/feather growing up and finding their powers while Hollypaw/leaf struggles to find her's - it is revealed via exposition Hollyleaf is dead. Dovepaw tells Jayfeather and Lionblaze that she can hear things her sister can't and they figure out she's the third. She instantly accepts this and they start planning what to do about the Dark Forest invasion. They decide to explain to every cat right away, and just as they finish the battle begins. The clans easily win** - Alderpaw receives a vision and he, Sparkpaw, and Needlepaw are chosen to bring back SkyClan. They unknowingly bring back the Kin instead, but also bring back Twigpaw and Violetpaw, who are already apprentice aged. The Kin attack RiverClan and ShadowClan as soon as they reach the lake so Alderpaw and friends fight back. Twigpaw though goes on a quest to find her SkyClan kin. The movie shifts between showing the battle and Twigpaw's journey. In the end both are successful and SkyClan settles into their new home with no problems
All of this should take like 2-3 hours
*Alternatively, Ravenpaw is just also a warrior **Alternatively, Hollyleaf doesn't exist and Dove is Jay/Lion's sister
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 20, 2020 19:29:32 GMT -5
I wrote this a long time ago but here it is again -Gray Wing and all the other cats who ever left the mountains at any time leave at the start of the movie. They instantly arrive at the old forest, each of the founders takes a territory and names it after themselves -Rusty wanders into the forest as the screen says 1000 moons later. He is attacked by Graypaw then invited to join ThunderClan by Bluestar and Lionheart. He accepts without second thought. On the way to camp they meet Yellowfang, who is invited to join ThunderClan as their med cat, as Spottedleaf is already dead. She too accepts instantly. Both are easily accepted into the clan. Ravenpaw reveals Redtail's murderer right away and Tigerclaw is kicked out of ThunderClan. Time skip and all the original apprentices are warriors, except Ravenpaw, who is forgotten about*. At the gathering Tigerstar is revealed to be the leader of ShadowClan. BloodClan is also there and Scourge kills Tigerstar. The clans join fight against BloodClan and win - Brambleclaw awakes from a dream, murmuring the new prophecy to himself with no context. He wakes Squirrelpaw and the two meet the other TNP cats at fourtrees and the journey is skipped over until they meet Midnight, who tells them the forest is in danger. The journey home is skipped. They have no trouble getting the clans to leave the forest and find a new home. The journey there is skipped, and the clans settle into their new territories - Squirrelflight's kits have their apprentice ceremony. Jaypaw starts as a med cat and Hollypaw as a warrior. Jaypaw learns about the prophecy and instantly tells his littermates. There is a montage of Lionpaw/blaze and Jaypaw/feather growing up and finding their powers while Hollypaw/leaf struggles to find her's - it is revealed via exposition Hollyleaf is dead. Dovepaw tells Jayfeather and Lionblaze that she can hear things her sister can't and they figure out she's the third. She instantly accepts this and they start planning what to do about the Dark Forest invasion. They decide to explain to every cat right away, and just as they finish the battle begins. The clans easily win** - Alderpaw receives a vision and he, Sparkpaw, and Needlepaw are chosen to bring back SkyClan. They unknowingly bring back the Kin instead, but also bring back Twigpaw and Violetpaw, who are already apprentice aged. The Kin attack RiverClan and ShadowClan as soon as they reach the lake so Alderpaw and friends fight back. Twigpaw though goes on a quest to find her SkyClan kin. The movie shifts between showing the battle and Twigpaw's journey. In the end both are successful and SkyClan settles into their new home with no problems All of this should take like 2-3 hours *Alternatively, Ravenpaw is just also a warrior **Alternatively, Hollyleaf doesn't exist and Dove is Jay/Lion's sister That feels like it would rush by at supersonic speeds. No disrespect, but if they did that I think not one person would care about any of the characters. That many timeskips within a single movie, going from character to character with no time to settle in, and ripping out any emotional drama scenes from the story entirely. This would be the nightmare scenario of trying to cover too much. A single arc can be composited, but all at once? There's no way.
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Post by kinkajou on Apr 20, 2020 19:45:53 GMT -5
That feels like it would rush by at supersonic speeds. No disrespect, but if they did that I think not one person would care about any of the characters. That many timeskips within a single movie, going from character to character with no time to settle in, and ripping out any emotional drama scenes from the story entirely. This would be the nightmare scenario of trying to cover too much. A single arc can be composited, but all at once? There's no way. The point is that it's terrible lol. This is the most pessimistic take
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 20, 2020 21:30:21 GMT -5
Marking the border won't be a thing because that requires cats to pp You think that they're going to miss out on the chance for a piss joke? And I guarantee you it'll show up in all of the commercials.
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