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Post by Fireleap on Apr 19, 2020 10:13:35 GMT -5
My excitement for it has died down because it feels like it's been in development forever. Hopefully that means we get it at the best it can be!
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Owl
always writing, never finishing
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Post by Owl on Apr 19, 2020 10:14:55 GMT -5
i've been wondering about this movie for a long time - i have so many thoughts on it. i'm assuming it hasn't even entered pre-production yet, alibaba only has the rights. i don't know much about film making, so i'm wondering if it's normal to hire on screenwriters before a director?
slim chance of it ever happening, but i'd love if they signed on the animation studio "animal logic". they're the studio that animated happy feet and guardians of ga'hoole, along with a few other films. in ga'hoole in particular, they nailed pretty much everything. realistic characters with vivid expressions that don't go into the uncanny valley, and these colorful, striking backgrounds. they didn't run into the dull background issue of, say, the lion king remake. i think if we can't get a 2D animated warriors film, i'd want animal logic handling animation.
i know the screenwriters worked on kung fu panda, but like...can we trade them in to have jennifer yuh as director? she directed the kung fu panda movies and i believe storyboarded the fight scenes, and she's awesome at what she does. i know she'd be able to storyboard some amazing battle scenes for a warriors film.
ideally i'd want them to go the harry potter route - one film for each book of the prophecies begin. the only books i worry about are fire and ice and rising storm, where there are these big gaps of...nothingness happening. i like the mystery aspect of forest of secrets, reminds me a little bit of chamber of secrets.
the one thing i worry about is how they'll market the film(s). if they'll even be able to market them at all. warriors wouldn't work as a cutesy, comedy-focused kid's flick. there's barely any comedy in warriors as is, and it deals with many serious topics. on the other hand, i've seen people say the warriors films would have to be this rated R adult film, but...warriors is not this grimdark slasher series. it's more whimsical and serious than anything. but it is violent - honestly, i'd be fine if they went the ga'hoole film route and kept in the battle scenes while showing little to no blood. cats have thick fur that would hide many wounds, anyway. i do think it would struggle with tone problems when brought to screen. heck, the very first book of the series deals with child soldiers. i always thought warriors would work best as an animated netflix series, but oh well.
i think tigerstar's death on screen would carry the most impact if they saved the majority of the blood and gore for when scourge kills him.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 19, 2020 10:17:03 GMT -5
I doubt it’s even gonna happen lol. it’s been in production for like what, 3 years?
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Owl
always writing, never finishing
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Post by Owl on Apr 19, 2020 10:18:39 GMT -5
I doubt it’s even gonna happen lol. it’s been in production for like what, 3 years? i honestly think alibaba are just sitting on the rights for it, i'm starting to doubt any sort of pre-production ever began. i wish we could ask david heyman.
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Post by Rio on Apr 19, 2020 10:44:04 GMT -5
the one thing i worry about is how they'll market the film(s). if they'll even be able to market them at all. warriors wouldn't work as a cutesy, comedy-focused kid's flick. there's barely any comedy in warriors as is, and it deals with many serious topics. on the other hand, i've seen people say the warriors films would have to be this rated R adult film, but...warriors is not this grimdark slasher series. it's more whimsical and serious than anything. but it is violent - honestly, i'd be fine if they went the ga'hoole film route and kept in the battle scenes while showing little to no blood. cats have thick fur that would hide many wounds, anyway. i do think it would struggle with tone problems when brought to screen. heck, the very first book of the series deals with child soldiers. i always thought warriors would work best as an animated netflix series, but oh well. i think tigerstar's death on screen would carry the most impact if they saved the majority of the blood and gore for when scourge kills him. I always imagined they'd market it towards an older kids / young teens demographic in the same sense of say, The Hunger Games. I honestly don't remember a single scene in The Hunger Games where we see actual blood, and yet it still successfully portrays the sense of danger and horror. I'm a pretty firm believer in that if you have clever camerawork and great sound design, then you can really easily trick your audience into believing what they're watching is more shocking than it actually is. Many people have memories of seeing Bambi's mother being shot even though we never actually see it happen on screen. This is an example of really good camerawork and really well timed sound design. Lmao my BA was in animation and film so I'm very passionate about the logistics of this crazy, hypothetical battle cats movie. I'm also scared that if they do decide to include large amounts of blood, then the blood sim could be terrible LMAO. Animal Logic would be a great choice!! I also think Framestore would be great!
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Owl
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Post by Owl on Apr 19, 2020 10:55:30 GMT -5
the one thing i worry about is how they'll market the film(s). if they'll even be able to market them at all. warriors wouldn't work as a cutesy, comedy-focused kid's flick. there's barely any comedy in warriors as is, and it deals with many serious topics. on the other hand, i've seen people say the warriors films would have to be this rated R adult film, but...warriors is not this grimdark slasher series. it's more whimsical and serious than anything. but it is violent - honestly, i'd be fine if they went the ga'hoole film route and kept in the battle scenes while showing little to no blood. cats have thick fur that would hide many wounds, anyway. i do think it would struggle with tone problems when brought to screen. heck, the very first book of the series deals with child soldiers. i always thought warriors would work best as an animated netflix series, but oh well. i think tigerstar's death on screen would carry the most impact if they saved the majority of the blood and gore for when scourge kills him. I always imagined they'd market it towards an older kids / young teens demographic in the same sense of say, The Hunger Games. I honestly don't remember a single scene in The Hunger Games where we see actual blood, and yet it still successfully portrays the sense of danger and horror. I'm a pretty firm believer in that if you have clever camerawork and great sound design, then you can really easily trick your audience into believing what they're watching is more shocking than it actually is. Many people have memories of seeing Bambi's mother being shot even though we never actually see it happen on screen. This is an example of really good camerawork and really well timed sound design. Lmao my BA was in animation and film so I'm very passionate about the logistics of this crazy, hypothetical battle cats movie. I'm also scared that if they do decide to include large amounts of blood, then the blood sim could be terrible LMAO. Animal Logic would be a great choice!! I also think Framestore would be great! that's a good point! i recently rewatched the hunger games films and while there is some blood, the books were way gorier. i think the most shocking scene in the first hunger games film was the aftermath of the tracker jacker attack. you're right about the sound design, i think if the warriors film teamed nailed it just right, the violent scenes can be just as shocking without any extreme violence. the main hurdle and difference, i think, is that warriors revolves around cats. no matter the art direction and marketing, i'm certain karens will still be taking their preschoolers to the theater to watch what they think is another secret life of pets. framestore would be awesome! i always thought rocket and pikachu looked fantastic. where the wild things are is a fever dream of a film to me, but they nailed those creatures and the textures/lighting.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 19, 2020 11:03:39 GMT -5
yeah tbh I think they could get around the violence by having it just be realistic. irl when cats fight it’s REALLY quick and there’s a lot more fur flying than blood . and they spend most of it glaring at eachother and growling but that’s probably not epic enough
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 19, 2020 11:11:04 GMT -5
People are really overstating how gritty Warriors is. It's really not that gritty, let's be honest with ourselves. Even if rating wasn't an issue, I'd actually really hate it if they went all out with blood. This can sorta work in stylized animation(keyword sorta), but if they're aiming for realistic CGI then it will look completely ridiculous.
Realism sometimes means knowing when to hold back on the gore and the blood. As it turns out, real life isn't conducive to high pressure, anime-looking sprays of blood. Even putting that aside though, I assure you that Warriors isn't some dark epic. It's more of a soap opera with occasional battles. It's like how Redwall still reads pretty much the same even with the censorship of the animated series despite the blood in the books. The blood is very tangential and ultimately very irrelevant to the way that the story reads.
With regards to how long it's been taking, I have personal experience that production hell can last a long time. Godzilla 2014 took a whole ten years to be made, for instance, being bounced between studios and script writers and a bunch of other things.
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Post by m00npaw on Apr 19, 2020 11:24:15 GMT -5
I see a warrior cats movie as an easily ruined idea. While the books are usually geared towards elementary to middle schoolers, a movie with all of the exact things that happen in the book would end up making it at LEAST pg-13. Possibly rated R. That would make a LOT of the warrior cats fanbase unable to watch the movie, thus the directors losing lots of money on a possibly expensive film. Movie producers often try to make as many people as possible able to watch it, INCLUDING those who may have never read a Warriors book. I feel like that alone could turn the movie disastrous, unless they can find a way to teach newcomers all about the warrior world without ruining the plot or general quality. But if they are able to pull that off, we could find a lot more people entering the fandom.
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TigerLily
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Post by TigerLily on Apr 19, 2020 12:30:41 GMT -5
I think if they make it it'll be the whole first series squeezed into one film, and they'll make it a lot simpler. Tigerstar will be the main antagonist, they may even start with him in ShadowClan and I wouldn't be surprised if they merged him with Brokenstar (ShadowClan-born, Yellowfang's son, killed Raggedstar, trains kits, exiles WindClan). Scourge will be completely cut I think, too complex. They could skip even Fireheart's training (make him an adult at the beginning) and after his fight with Longtail make him a warrior. I doubt Brightheart would be mauled, if she's even added to the film. Cinderpelt probably wouldn't be injured, again if she's included. Most of the Darkest Hour would probably be the same, with TigerClan and everything, except the film would probably do TigerClan vs. LionClan at the climax.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 19, 2020 12:49:01 GMT -5
I think if they make it it'll be the whole first series squeezed into one film, and they'll make it a lot simpler. Tigerstar will be the main antagonist, they may even start with him in ShadowClan and I wouldn't be surprised if they merged him with Brokenstar (ShadowClan-born, Yellowfang's son, killed Raggedstar, trains kits, exiles WindClan). Scourge will be completely cut I think, too complex. They could skip even Fireheart's training (make him an adult at the beginning) and after his fight with Longtail make him a warrior. I doubt Brightheart would be mauled, if she's even added to the film. Cinderpelt probably wouldn't be injured, again if she's included. Most of the Darkest Hour would probably be the same, with TigerClan and everything, except the film would probably do TigerClan vs. LionClan at the climax. Scourge could be shoved in there but only to kill Tigerstar so that Fireheart doesn't, ala the Lion King with the hyenas killing Scar. He'd be reduced to a leader of minions and second-in-command, I imagine, and probably present from the very beginning. Maybe he even chases Rusty into the forest as an inciting incident. Compositing Tigerstar and Brokenstar is almost definitively going to happen. The way I would handle it is that Shadowclan's leader is never seen in public and is a mysterious figure, and it's later revealed that Tigerclaw actually takes nightly trips there in order to give them orders. Thus he is both roles at once and it keeps the mystery angle of the earlier books. Brightheart is definitely not going to be in there, in fact the whole dog plot may simply be a single scene or cut out entirely with Bluestar dying during the final battle instead or being personally killed by Tigerstar earlier on. If Cinderpelt does happen, she's probably composited with Sandstorm and probably chooses to remain a warrior rather than be a medicine cat(which in a sense maybe makes her composite Brightheart too?)
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