ashheart19
Formerly known as totaldramaforever on the old forums!
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Post by ashheart19 on Apr 19, 2020 4:55:23 GMT -5
Starkit's Prophecy.
But in all seriousness:
- OCxcanon because it's usually written poorly and canon characters are always written wrong - OC fics in general. The OC just feels like a self insert or is usually too overpowered or either loved/hated by the entire Clan - I don't like fics where the Clans are all OC characters, but I'll read a few on occasion if they are well-written. - Forced to be a medicine cat trope, and forbidden romance (I'll only read forbidden romance if it's well written) - Unrealistic details (one fic I read, a cat had purple eyes) - Crossover fics. Like, where characters from another fandom are warriors. I'll only read them if they are well written and don't have references to the human world (Hard to find) - Adding onto this, any fic where anyone from the human world becomes a cat. NO. - Simple errors like capitalizing the prefix and writing the Clan name in lowercase usually set me off, enough to get me to stop reading the fic.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Apr 19, 2020 11:10:56 GMT -5
Well, Graystripe's Vow is happening so it must be possible Graystripe is the quintessential started off from apprentice to warrior then elder though. He's going on this journey to deal with stuff from his past. This can(in theory) work because we have been privy to his past experiences. However, if we'd just started off with him as an elder and got exposition dumped about his past, it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective. That is true. I'm not sure if it's the same though since we never actually follow him outside of his manga trilogy; we mostly see him throught the eyes of others so while we do see him grow it's not like how it would be if we got something from Firestar as an elder. And there are cats that become elders for reasons outside of age. Sure, in those situations it's mostly due to injuries and fading health, but stories don't always have to revolve around action and physically demanding tasks to be interesting. In my opinion of course.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 19, 2020 11:16:20 GMT -5
Graystripe is the quintessential started off from apprentice to warrior then elder though. He's going on this journey to deal with stuff from his past. This can(in theory) work because we have been privy to his past experiences. However, if we'd just started off with him as an elder and got exposition dumped about his past, it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective. That is true. I'm not sure if it's the same though since we never actually follow him outside of his manga trilogy; we mostly see him throught the eyes of others so while we do see him grow it's not like how it would be if we got something from Firestar as an elder. And there are cats that become elders for reasons outside of age. Sure, in those situations it's mostly due to injuries and fading health, but stories don't always have to revolve around action and physically demanding tasks to be interesting. In my opinion of course. I thought you were referring to age specifically since you contrasted starting off as an apprentice or warrior. If it starts off young with them being crippled then there's a lot more potential for a story there, of course. Then again, the fandom might rip the writer's head off for daring to relegate someone crippled to being an elder, it's a hot button topic. It's true that action isn't all there is to a story. Medicine cats can be plenty interesting too, after all. The problem is that medicine cats also do at least DO things. They heal, they commune, and so on. Elders, on the other hand, do not. Their only duty is burials, which hardly happens often enough. I guess you could write a series of vignettes from the elder's POV on various burials, but this is again more of a oneshot type thing. I guess the issue is struggling to discover what exactly this elder can do. Even the non-action related tasks in Warriors culture don't fall to elders. It's a good retirement plan, but of course retirements usually show up once you're done doing everything else that needs doing.
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 19, 2020 14:11:27 GMT -5
This was gonna be in my reply for the "Make or break" thread but I realized this IS a peeve of mine so I'll toss another of mine here:
Feral Cats using HUMAN WORDS especially swears as if they don't have their own vocab of swears that can suit just fine.
Your cat saying "Damn" or "Shit" doesn't sound cool or "different" or "grown up and mature" at all, it just sounds super edgy. These cats shouldn't know what the humans' God is. They have Starclan or some alternate option if you're not using that to separate it from canon's afterlife. But in regards to curses, stick to stuff like "Foxdung", which can work for TWO human swear words depending on its usage. Reminder that Heathertail had a helluva mouth on her in CT, “Fox dung-eating mange-pelt!”, which is a practically a massive swear and I think it even shocked Crowfeather, which proves you can have your cats be mature in language without breaking canon vocabulary to do so.
You're by that point humanizing these cats TOO much otherwise, and it just brings me out of the universe.
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Post by voyagers20 on Apr 21, 2020 0:14:43 GMT -5
1. Lemons. Especially with canon characters. Just...no. 2. Bad ships. This is really subjective, but one ship I've just never been able to wrap my head around is ScourgexAshfur. Like, why does that even exist? 3. Humanizing the cats way too much. Such as, having them "kiss," use human swear words and describe other characters as "sexy" or something. I hate that. 4. Making canon characters OOC.
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Bisexual
barley
Bramblestar Hater
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Post by barley on Apr 21, 2020 0:18:21 GMT -5
Mentor/Apprentice relationships, unhealthy age gaps, etc. Using explicit **** or child abuse to make the fic "more mature" or edgy.
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Non-binary
#F4B548
Name Colour
Dark Sun
Sage of the Stars
I'm devious, I'm devilish, I'm ever so deliciously evil
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Post by Dark Sun on Apr 21, 2020 1:16:13 GMT -5
Here is one pet peeve of mine.
I encourage creativity and diversity. Wanting to make your character different and interesting isn't an inherently negative decision. However, breaking the rules to justify your character's existence is what really grinds my gears.
I'll provide an example. Let's say we have a writer - let's call them Bry. Now Bry has created an OC that is a Warrior Cat... but one that has wings. Bry wants their character to be taken seriously, but provides no explanation for why their character having wings is at all plausible or presentable. Now, if the canon series had cats with wings, that would be inherently unorthodox and perhaps a bit questionable, but I suspect little criticism would arise since that would be the Erin's interpretation of that world. Sure it would be excellent if they could present to the reader an explanation for why cats in that world have fully functional wings, but they wouldn't necessarily be required to.
My point is, if a writer takes the basic principles laid down by a fictional universe and twists them to fit their design with minimal respect for the laws already set, then I won't take that character as seriously. A cat who deals with a split personality for example would be interesting and I would highly encourage the author to explore that further. A cat who has rainbow eyes, wings, and who was also the first cat in all of existence... Not so much.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 21, 2020 11:52:00 GMT -5
these overlap with the make or break stuff a bit but:
- cats using human curse words. i can tolerate damn and hell though since they're pretty mild/not as edgy but i still don't see why you wouldn't just use the canon curse words
- i know the erins do this too but when people blatantly dont even use common sense when it comes to cat genetics. im not asking you to painstakingly research colour genetics but at least use common sense. two ginger cats can't have a brown tabby just like how two redheaded people aren't going to have brunette kids lol
- when people make up new clans but they're obviously just rehashes of the old clans
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Bisexual
Sunbreeze
Rewatching Game of Thrones
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Post by Sunbreeze on Apr 21, 2020 13:39:37 GMT -5
these overlap with the make or break stuff a bit but: - cats using human curse words. i can tolerate damn and hell though since they're pretty mild/not as edgy but i still don't see why you wouldn't just use the canon curse words - i know the erins do this too but when people blatantly dont even use common sense when it comes to cat genetics. im not asking you to painstakingly research colour genetics but at least use common sense. two ginger cats can't have a brown tabby just like how two redheaded people aren't going to have brunette kids lol - when people make up new clans but they're obviously just rehashes of the old clans When it comes to making new Clans, there's always going to be that one RiverClan rip-off, like LakeClan or StreamClan or whatever.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 21, 2020 13:51:40 GMT -5
these overlap with the make or break stuff a bit but: - cats using human curse words. i can tolerate damn and hell though since they're pretty mild/not as edgy but i still don't see why you wouldn't just use the canon curse words - i know the erins do this too but when people blatantly dont even use common sense when it comes to cat genetics. im not asking you to painstakingly research colour genetics but at least use common sense. two ginger cats can't have a brown tabby just like how two redheaded people aren't going to have brunette kids lol - when people make up new clans but they're obviously just rehashes of the old clans When it comes to making new Clans, there's always going to be that one RiverClan rip-off, like LakeClan or StreamClan or whatever. true but ive seen some fanon clans that are so obviously just the canon clans with different names it makes me wonder why they even bother
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