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Post by Sunbreeze on Apr 17, 2020 14:29:12 GMT -5
The title is self-explanatory. What things do you dislike about Warriors fanfics?
For me: - High school AUs. Dear god, high school AUs. Most of them are poorly done, relatively cringy, and are the exact same thing every time. Also, why are most of them PoT or OotS-related? - A human(usually a fan of the series)who becomes a cat and joins the Clans. It would be fine and dandy and all if the main character wasn't a blatant self-insert. - Ships between two characters who have a canonically antagonistic relationship with each other. No. Just no. - Fanfics with ships that are so weird and strange, especially if it one of the fanfic's main focuses. I've vowed to never read another John Wick fanfiction in my life for that exact reason. - Canon characters that are incredibly out-of-character from their canon portrayal. - A fanfiction focusing on two kits, one of whom is hated by the entire Clan, and one of whom who is loved.
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Post by kinkajou on Apr 17, 2020 14:33:55 GMT -5
When it starts with the main character's birth (usually in the prologue)
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 17, 2020 14:38:01 GMT -5
Stuff I thought of from the top of my head:
Ships: Ships with little to no development (love at first sight, etc.) Ships with cringey/cheesy and/or immature dialogue between them Toxic ships (age gaps, acknowledging any incest involved, power imbalance, abuse, no consent, etc.) Ships with one OC and one canon character (even worse if it's a self-insert OC)
AU Types: Any human warrior cats AU at all (i used to have one when i was younger, but looking back, human warrior cats is very cringey in a serious setting in general)
Characters: Out of character canon characters Making a canon character act bad to make an OC look better in comparison (even worse if this has to do with shipping) Your OC is the kit of 2 random canon characters (even worse if it's a crack ship or from a toxic ship)
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 17, 2020 14:57:17 GMT -5
Toxic ships (age gaps, acknowledging any incest involved, power imbalance, abuse, no consent, etc.) Ships with one OC and one canon character (even worse if it's a self-insert OC) For the Toxic part, how are age gaps in of itself bad??? A ship can have an age gap and not be unhealthy. >.> Also I don't see what's wrong with oc/canon stuff if it's done well.
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Post by ᏞᎪᎠᎽ Ꮎf fᎪᏁᎠᎾms ミ☆ on Apr 17, 2020 15:00:24 GMT -5
Toxic ships (age gaps, acknowledging any incest involved, power imbalance, abuse, no consent, etc.) Ships with one OC and one canon character (even worse if it's a self-insert OC) For the Toxic part, how are age gaps in of itself bad??? A ship can have an age gap and not be unhealthy. >.> Also I don't see what's wrong with oc/canon stuff if it's done well. im referring to thistleclaw and spottedpaw tyype- situations and oc/canon stuff has never been one of my favorites since the ones i've seen weren't well done. i would need to read more examples of good ones to change my opinion of it
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Post by swin on Apr 17, 2020 15:02:38 GMT -5
Capitalizing the first letter of the suffix in names.
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 17, 2020 15:06:41 GMT -5
My pet peeve are fan fictions are are needlessly darker and edgier or try to make the Clan cats more “realistic”! One fanfic has Fireheart constantly try to fight the urge to murder kittens and it’s a huge “why” moment.
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Sunbreeze
Rewatching Game of Thrones
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Post by Sunbreeze on Apr 17, 2020 15:07:53 GMT -5
Capitalizing the first letter of the suffix in names. Oh yeah, that's a big one. Also, not capitalizing the word Clan.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 17, 2020 15:08:03 GMT -5
fics where everyone acts like a huge jerk to the main character for no reason
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 17, 2020 15:11:48 GMT -5
Would have to agree with the capitalizing suffixes thing. Or writing the names like Fire-Star or similar. It's just off for me, like it's not how the names are supposed to be written and it's there from the getgo, and if you add a space between them I get confused on if they're clan cats or Ancients.
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Bisexual
Sunbreeze
Rewatching Game of Thrones
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Post by Sunbreeze on Apr 17, 2020 15:13:11 GMT -5
My pet peeve are fan fictions are are needlessly darker and edgier or try to make the Clan cats more “realistic”! One fanfic has Fireheart constantly try to fight the urge to murder kittens and it’s a huge “why” moment. Wait, really? I've heard of fics where they try to make the cats more realistic and accurate, but that's extreme.
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Post by Brindlefern on Apr 17, 2020 15:16:28 GMT -5
My pet peeve are fan fictions are are needlessly darker and edgier or try to make the Clan cats more “realistic”! One fanfic has Fireheart constantly try to fight the urge to murder kittens and it’s a huge “why” moment. Wait, really? I've heard of fics where they try to make the cats more realistic and accurate, but that's extreme. Two words. Warriors Redux
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Post by sorethroat on Apr 17, 2020 15:18:47 GMT -5
My pet peeve are fan fictions are are needlessly darker and edgier or try to make the Clan cats more “realistic”! One fanfic has Fireheart constantly try to fight the urge to murder kittens and it’s a huge “why” moment. Wait, really? I've heard of fics where they try to make the cats more realistic and accurate, but that's extreme. Yep and I’m not joking at all! I know for sure they included it because infanticide occurs among cats and the fanfic’s entire angle was that the cats would act more feral. The fanfic had some good ideas but this was not it.
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Post by epicstyle on Apr 17, 2020 15:23:46 GMT -5
-One of the most common fic tropes I've seen in Warriors fanfictions is when a kit is born and ostracized in their clan for who knows why, and they eventually move to another clan where they inevitably become leader to prove their old clan wrong. It was entertaining the first couple of times I suppose, but seriously this trope makes up at least sixty percent of Warriors fanfics.
-Any fanfiction that is primarily composed of OCs, especially with OC clans entirely. I mean sure it's an entertaining concept to make yourself (I might've made up my own clans/characters when I was younger) but as a reader I typically read fanfictions to see how other people interpret/write the existing characters. I've enjoyed ones where they start with existing canon and add in OCs later though.
Since both of these tropes make up the majority of fanfics, it's often difficult to find ones that fit what I'm looking to read. There are some real gems in there though.
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Post by Sunbreeze on Apr 17, 2020 15:36:29 GMT -5
Wait, really? I've heard of fics where they try to make the cats more realistic and accurate, but that's extreme. Two words. Warriors ReduxOh dear. I've heard of it, but I've never actually read it, mostly because I'm not interested in that kind of stuff.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Apr 17, 2020 15:53:01 GMT -5
warriors redux is a mixed bag for me. on the one hand i do think it's an interesting idea to rewrite the series to be more realistic and i like some of the decisions they made, but there's a lot of weird unnecessary stuff (like the toms constantly wanting to eat the kits. like i get that's realistic but it doesn't add anything to the story and just comes across as needlessly edgy. simply having the toms be apathetic towards the kits and not involving themselves with them would have been fine.) and the plot just isn't very well-written? it feels like the author tried too hard to emulate watership down without realizing why watership down was great
but redux is kind of funny to me bc i was kind-of friends with the author for a while on a different website and one of the convos we had about warriors was apparently part of the reason why they started redux to begin with. so
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Post by Smokyyy on Apr 17, 2020 19:34:11 GMT -5
Can someone link me to the redux chapters? I wanna see how bad this is.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 19:59:26 GMT -5
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Post by kells on Apr 17, 2020 20:12:53 GMT -5
My pet peeve are fan fictions are are needlessly darker and edgier or try to make the Clan cats more “realistic”! One fanfic has Fireheart constantly try to fight the urge to murder kittens and it’s a huge “why” moment. Omg that's literally what I would say about any comic/story I would make when I was younger Like once I had a sub-plot in my warriors comic where my leader oc was fed "para-berries" by her neice, got rabies and killed the entire Clan. Somehow, the cat that was trying to protect the nursery and failed was blamed for it all. When my sister told me it was too dark I told her it was realistic
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Post by fireflylanes on Apr 17, 2020 22:17:37 GMT -5
off the top of my head: prophecies with the main character's prefix in it
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Apr 17, 2020 22:36:36 GMT -5
I tend to prefer my fanfics to be somewhat canon-compliant, especially in the characterization of the characters. I don't like it when I can clearly see who the author's favorite character is and they bend the world around that character. Granted, this isn't unique to Warriors or even fanfiction (Tigerheart's Shadow has some elements of this). Conversely, I don't like it when they nerf a character they clearly hate. Specifically, I don't like it when they try to "fix" Firestar's character by making him not believe Ravenpaw about Tigerclaw or something.
I don't read OC fics or high school AUs either, but I don't really care if they exist, because they are easily avoided by not clicking on them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2020 22:42:21 GMT -5
For me: - High school AUs. Dear god, high school AUs. Most of them are poorly done, relatively cringy, and are the exact same thing every time. Also, why are most of them PoT or OotS-related?
I'm a bit late, but I wanted to add my two cents in. Yeah, I personally believe that the clans in a human AU makes more sense as a somewhat uncontacted tribal culture living in some remote forest or something.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Apr 18, 2020 13:01:25 GMT -5
The whole formula of following the main character become an apprentice, then a warrior, and then...can we get some variety? Can a main character already be a warrior? Or can we get an elder as a main character? That would be cool.
On another note, I do write the occasional dark fic. Like...extremely dark. The difference is that I never intend to share them. It's just more practice for me.
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Post by Basement Cat on Apr 18, 2020 14:30:00 GMT -5
Characters being written wildly out of character, like making Hollyleaf a psycho killer.
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Post by epicstyle on Apr 18, 2020 16:26:34 GMT -5
I would also like to add that it seems like the majority of fanfiction writers are stuck in the 2010 era of Warriors; if you see any fic about canon characters they're either TPB or OOTS based. It makes me sad because DOTC, AVOS, and TBC all have some really interesting plotlines and characters and I'd love to see what people could do with them.
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 18, 2020 18:29:47 GMT -5
The whole formula of following the main character become an apprentice, then a warrior, and then...can we get some variety? Can a main character already be a warrior? Or can we get an elder as a main character? That would be cool. On another note, I do write the occasional dark fic. Like...extremely dark. The difference is that I never intend to share them. It's just more practice for me. Problem with having an elder as a main character is you'd have to come up with something for them to do besides sun themselves and be retired. What exactly are they going to do? They can't pull any shenanigans with leadership because they don't have political sway, they don't fight, they don't hunt, they don't do medicine, etc. They don't even go to Gatherings, so it's a real struggle to imagine anything interesting coming out of an elder's point of view. Maybe for a short ficlet exploring their mindset and character, but for a long adventure it would simply be impossible.
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Post by kinkajou on Apr 18, 2020 18:44:57 GMT -5
The whole formula of following the main character become an apprentice, then a warrior, and then...can we get some variety? Can a main character already be a warrior? Or can we get an elder as a main character? That would be cool. On another note, I do write the occasional dark fic. Like...extremely dark. The difference is that I never intend to share them. It's just more practice for me. Problem with having an elder as a main character is you'd have to come up with something for them to do besides sun themselves and be retired. What exactly are they going to do? They can't pull any shenanigans with leadership because they don't have political sway, they don't fight, they don't hunt, they don't do medicine, etc. They don't even go to Gatherings, so it's a real struggle to imagine anything interesting coming out of an elder's point of view. Maybe for a short ficlet exploring their mindset and character, but for a long adventure it would simply be impossible. Well, Graystripe's Vow is happening so it must be possible
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Post by vectoring34 on Apr 18, 2020 18:54:06 GMT -5
Problem with having an elder as a main character is you'd have to come up with something for them to do besides sun themselves and be retired. What exactly are they going to do? They can't pull any shenanigans with leadership because they don't have political sway, they don't fight, they don't hunt, they don't do medicine, etc. They don't even go to Gatherings, so it's a real struggle to imagine anything interesting coming out of an elder's point of view. Maybe for a short ficlet exploring their mindset and character, but for a long adventure it would simply be impossible. Well, Graystripe's Vow is happening so it must be possible Graystripe is the quintessential started off from apprentice to warrior then elder though. He's going on this journey to deal with stuff from his past. This can(in theory) work because we have been privy to his past experiences. However, if we'd just started off with him as an elder and got exposition dumped about his past, it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective.
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Post by kinkajou on Apr 18, 2020 18:55:32 GMT -5
Well, Graystripe's Vow is happening so it must be possible Graystripe is the quintessential started off from apprentice to warrior then elder though. He's going on this journey to deal with stuff from his past. This can(in theory) work because we have been privy to his past experiences. However, if we'd just started off with him as an elder and got exposition dumped about his past, it wouldn't be anywhere near as effective. Good point
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