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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:03:31 GMT -5
Does anyone else see Scorchfur as a grumpy old man, and Tigerheart was relatively young, even though they're about the same age?
I guess it's because Scorchfur's grandchildren have already gotten their warrior names, and Tigerheart's children just now got theirs.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Mar 14, 2020 12:08:25 GMT -5
Scorchfur totally acts like a grumpy old man, though . I compared him to Thornclaw for a reason. I think the books think Tigerheart is younger than he is considering they said he was too young to remember the dark forest battle even though he was a trainee.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 12:11:09 GMT -5
I don't think he's much like Thornclaw. I think Scorchfur has a bad case of Shadowclan brain. Other than being an A+ mate and dad, he just thinks his leader has to be ridiculously aggressive for Shadowclan to be strong.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:17:26 GMT -5
Uмвяᴀ XD Yeah, true, I think they forget the ages of A LOT of characters. Like Snowbird, her littermate, meaning born at the same time, Ratscar, was a warrior in Tigerclaw's Fury, and he joined the elder's den last series, while in that same series, Snowbird had another litter of kits. Also, Mistystar, who is still alive after all this time. *Ottersplash* That's true, I think I'm a bit more willing to give ShadowClan cats the benefit of the doubt, when they're aggressive, because that's how they've been raised practically sense forever. I'm not saying it's okay for them to be a jerk for no reason, but it's more understandable, than if a current ThunderClan cat is a jerk for no reason.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Mar 14, 2020 12:18:47 GMT -5
I don't think he's much like Thornclaw. I think Scorchfur has a bad case of Shadowclan brain. Other than being an A+ mate and dad, he just thinks his leader has to be ridiculously aggressive for Shadowclan to be strong. By the Thornclaw comment, I meant that he is one of those cats that is sharp-tounged and argues against the authorities, a similar role that Thornclaw, Dustpelt, Berrynose, Poppyfrost, etc. also fill.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 12:22:04 GMT -5
ChickenWe've just seen Scorchfur get called out by clanmates for being extra. So I feel he's just a lot. As I said, he IS good at Snowbird, which is nice to see
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:26:32 GMT -5
*Ottersplash*Yeah, he actually reminds me a little of Emberfoot of WindClan, very outspoken, and pretty antagonistic towards the main characters, but amazing mates and fathers, and also Berrynose of ThunderClan (not counting the newest series) I really appreciate characters like this.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 14, 2020 15:57:05 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, yeah, he does remind me of a grumpy old man compared to Tigerheart, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:11:08 GMT -5
Now that you mention it, yeah, he does remind me of a grumpy old man compared to Tigerheart, lol. Lol So, ShadowClan has Scorchfur WindClan has Emberfoot...I would say Crowfeather, but he's more snarky than grumpy IMO. RiverClan has I guess Mallownose? He's pretty outspoken like Emberfoot and Scorchfur. ThunderClan has Berrynose. SkyClan has Plumwillow I guess? She's not really argumentative, but she did cause a stir with ShadowClan in Tigerheart's Shadow over a rabbit.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Mar 14, 2020 16:36:50 GMT -5
Scorchfur, Thornclaw, and Blackclaw of RiverClan (if he were still alive), probably would have been good pals if they were in the same Clan. Imagine, just the old local group of grumps complaining and agreeing on the same things. They would be the kind of old guys that drink coffee and smoke cigs in the morning, while drinking on their porches in the evening.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:42:19 GMT -5
Scorchfur, Thornclaw, and Blackclaw of RiverClan (if he were still alive), probably would have been good pals if they were in the same Clan. Imagine, just the old local group of grumps complaining and agreeing on the same things. They would be the kind of old guys that drink coffee and smoke cigs in the morning, while drinking on their porches in the evening. Haha XD that sounds like a lot of the old people where I live...I can totally picture it. Blackclaw: Back in my day, there were no such thing as half-clan cats! Thornclaw: Cats these days don't think they need to follow the rules, always letting outsiders in and what not. Scorchfur: Who wants another round of catmint? While during all of this, Mistystar and Blossomfall are just staring at Blackclaw and Thornclaw with wtf looks on their faces
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Post by halogen on Mar 14, 2020 16:44:52 GMT -5
Uмвяᴀ XD Yeah, true, I think they forget the ages of A LOT of characters. Like Snowbird, her littermate, meaning born at the same time, Ratscar, was a warrior in Tigerclaw's Fury, and he joined the elder's den last series, while in that same series, Snowbird had another litter of kits. Also, Mistystar, who is still alive after all this time. I think Ratscar was the one who got his age forgotten. Didn't they say he retired early due to injuries from the battle against the Dark Forest? I think they forgot that and just made him old to explain his retirement in Tigerclaw's Fury, which also got a lot else wrong like Clawface being alive.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Mar 14, 2020 16:46:44 GMT -5
Snowbird is just out there rolling her eyes and telling the gals to leave them alone while they go do their own thing, and that is, complaining, and cracking jokes about their husbands.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:48:32 GMT -5
Uмвяᴀ XD Yeah, true, I think they forget the ages of A LOT of characters. Like Snowbird, her littermate, meaning born at the same time, Ratscar, was a warrior in Tigerclaw's Fury, and he joined the elder's den last series, while in that same series, Snowbird had another litter of kits. Also, Mistystar, who is still alive after all this time. I think Ratscar was the one who got his age forgotten. Didn't they say he retired early due to injuries from the battle against the Dark Forest? I think they forgot that and just made him old to explain his retirement in Tigerclaw's Fury, which also got a lot else wrong like Clawface being alive. Maybe, but he was a new warrior in Tigerclaw's Fury, not an elder. In Omen of the Stars, Snowbird refers to Ratscar as her littermate, when he's being attacked or something. Then, in AVOS, Ratscar becomes an elder, and Snowbird has a third litter of kits. It's a bit odd, that they'd forget it that suddenly, because Tigerclaw's Fury came out only two years after The Last Hope did.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:52:33 GMT -5
Snowbird is just out there rolling her eyes and telling the gals to leave them alone while they go do their own thing, and that is, complaining, and cracking jokes about their husbands. Haha yes XD Then, in comes Mudclaw, and he starts complaining about trespassers, but the others are like, "You can't sit with us!" Because only cats with mates can be apart of their group, or else it would cramp their style.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Mar 14, 2020 17:29:22 GMT -5
Snadynose manages to join them even though he's a little younger than them lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 17:41:11 GMT -5
Snadynose manages to join them even though he's a little younger than them lol Lol, I think that Sandynose might actually be older than Scorchfur, tbh. Scorchfur wasn't born until The Power of Three, and Sandynose was already an apprentice when Sol first showed up at SkyClan's door, during SkyClan and the Stranger, I'm not sure how old that would make him though, maybe around Berrynose's age?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 19:27:27 GMT -5
Snowbird is just out there rolling her eyes and telling the gals to leave them alone while they go do their own thing, and that is, complaining, and cracking jokes about their husbands. I feel like she rolls her eyes but she also finds Scorchfur's grumpiness endearing because they keep having babies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 19:44:57 GMT -5
Snowbird is just out there rolling her eyes and telling the gals to leave them alone while they go do their own thing, and that is, complaining, and cracking jokes about their husbands. I feel like she rolls her eyes but she also finds Scorchfur's grumpiness endearing because they keep having babies. Haha, I wonder if anyone is upset about Snowbird, A WHITE cat, having sooo many kits, especially in a clan that is known for their dark pelts? I mean, everyone made a HUGE deal out of Cloudtail being white, but he was also a kittypet, and fluffy, so I think that contributed to it, but still lol. Also, speaking of ShadowClan being known for their dark pelts..there is currently only ONE solid black cat in ShadowClan..ONE.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 19:48:03 GMT -5
I feel like she rolls her eyes but she also finds Scorchfur's grumpiness endearing because they keep having babies. Haha, I wonder if anyone is upset about Snowbird, A WHITE cat, having sooo many kits, especially in a clan that is known for their dark pelts? I mean, everyone made a HUGE deal out of Cloudtail being white, but he was also a kittypet, and fluffy, so I think that contributed to it, but still lol. Also, speaking of ShadowClan being known for their dark pelts..there is currently only ONE solid black cat in ShadowClan..ONE. I doubt it. Shadowclan needs all the kits they can get after Darktail murdering half the clan and Snowbird is willing to provide them. She is a good mom too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 19:52:15 GMT -5
Haha, I wonder if anyone is upset about Snowbird, A WHITE cat, having sooo many kits, especially in a clan that is known for their dark pelts? I mean, everyone made a HUGE deal out of Cloudtail being white, but he was also a kittypet, and fluffy, so I think that contributed to it, but still lol. Also, speaking of ShadowClan being known for their dark pelts..there is currently only ONE solid black cat in ShadowClan..ONE. I doubt it. Shadowclan needs all the kits they can get after Darktail murdering half the clan and Snowbird is willing to provide them. She is a good mom too. She is..I feel like ShadowClan has some of the best families in the series surprisingly, and the best medicine cats. I think ShadowClan cares A LOT about their own, and not so much about each other. Whereas, save for a few cats, ThunderClan seems to be the opposite. Or maybe it's because there's sooo many cats in ThunderClan, there's not really time to focus on the families of that clan, beyond the main characters. Even so...Stemleaf has gotten quite a bit of spotlight lately, and how many times has he mentioned his littermates or parents? Same with Spotfur, and her dad was a main character.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 19:54:37 GMT -5
I doubt it. Shadowclan needs all the kits they can get after Darktail murdering half the clan and Snowbird is willing to provide them. She is a good mom too. She is..I feel like ShadowClan has some of the best families in the series surprisingly, and the best medicine cats. I think ShadowClan cares A LOT about their own, and not so much about each other. Whereas, save for a few cats, ThunderClan seems to be the opposite. Or maybe it's because there's sooo many cats in ThunderClan, there's not really time to focus on the families of that clan, beyond the main characters. Even so...Stemleaf has gotten quite a bit of spotlight lately, and how many times has he mentioned his littermates or parents? Same with Spotfur, and her dad was a main character. It's true. Sparrowtail and Berryheart are shown to be loving parents and mates, devastated by Needletail's loss, RowanTawny are great parents/mates, Snowbird and Scorchfur, for all his flaws, care deeply for their kits and each other. And I'm sure there's more examples. That makes it even stranger though that they have these rebellions when they are so close. Dawnpelt and Crowfrost obviously loved their kits and 2/3 of their kits went bonkers. I feel like Shadowclan is one big contradiction.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 20:00:33 GMT -5
She is..I feel like ShadowClan has some of the best families in the series surprisingly, and the best medicine cats. I think ShadowClan cares A LOT about their own, and not so much about each other. Whereas, save for a few cats, ThunderClan seems to be the opposite. Or maybe it's because there's sooo many cats in ThunderClan, there's not really time to focus on the families of that clan, beyond the main characters. Even so...Stemleaf has gotten quite a bit of spotlight lately, and how many times has he mentioned his littermates or parents? Same with Spotfur, and her dad was a main character. It's true. Sparrowtail and Berryheart are shown to be loving parents and mates, devastated by Needletail's loss, RowanTawny are great parents/mates, Snowbird and Scorchfur, for all his flaws, care deeply for their kits and each other. And I'm sure there's more examples. That makes it even stranger though that they have these rebellions when they are so close. Dawnpelt and Crowfrost obviously loved their kits and 2/3 of their kits went bonkers. I feel like Shadowclan is one big contradiction. I know, it's so weird. I think that ShadowClan's problem is..well, they're not too smart. They're EASILY swayed by other cats, especially cats that come from outside the clan, like Tigerclaw, Sol, and Darktail. Also, another thing might be, that if one cat goes, then more will go with them, because they're part of their family. Wasn't Dawnpelt torn between staying with Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, and Tigerheart, or going with Darktail and her kits?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 20:04:44 GMT -5
It's true. Sparrowtail and Berryheart are shown to be loving parents and mates, devastated by Needletail's loss, RowanTawny are great parents/mates, Snowbird and Scorchfur, for all his flaws, care deeply for their kits and each other. And I'm sure there's more examples. That makes it even stranger though that they have these rebellions when they are so close. Dawnpelt and Crowfrost obviously loved their kits and 2/3 of their kits went bonkers. I feel like Shadowclan is one big contradiction. I know, it's so weird. I think that ShadowClan's problem is..well, they're not too smart. They're EASILY swayed by other cats, especially cats that come from outside the clan, like Tigerclaw, Sol, and Darktail. Also, another thing might be, that if one cat goes, then more will go with them, because they're part of their family. Wasn't Dawnpelt torn between staying with Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, and Tigerheart, or going with Darktail and her kits? Dawnpelt stayed because of her kits. She definitely didn't agree with Darktail, but had just lost Crowfrost and probably felt like she was obligated to stay with them. ...Staying with them probably saved Juniperclaw and Strikestone at the cost of her life. Poor Dawnpelt :c
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 20:10:47 GMT -5
I know, it's so weird. I think that ShadowClan's problem is..well, they're not too smart. They're EASILY swayed by other cats, especially cats that come from outside the clan, like Tigerclaw, Sol, and Darktail. Also, another thing might be, that if one cat goes, then more will go with them, because they're part of their family. Wasn't Dawnpelt torn between staying with Rowanstar, Tawnypelt, and Tigerheart, or going with Darktail and her kits? Dawnpelt stayed because of her kits. She definitely didn't agree with Darktail, but had just lost Crowfrost and probably felt like she was obligated to stay with them. ...Staying with them probably saved Juniperclaw and Strikestone at the cost of her life. Poor Dawnpelt :c Yeah, that's what I was saying. I feel bad for her, and all the other cats who eventually wanted out, and then got drowned...more than likely with the help of their own clanmates. I feel really bad for Puddleshine and Slatefur too, their littermates were killed when they were only 11 moons old, and they lost both of their parents too. I really wish more brotherly scenes were shown between those two, but I can't even remember the last time they interacted.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 20:15:30 GMT -5
Dawnpelt stayed because of her kits. She definitely didn't agree with Darktail, but had just lost Crowfrost and probably felt like she was obligated to stay with them. ...Staying with them probably saved Juniperclaw and Strikestone at the cost of her life. Poor Dawnpelt :c Yeah, that's what I was saying. I feel bad for her, and all the other cats who eventually wanted out, and then got drowned...more than likely with the help of their own clanmates. I feel really bad for Puddleshine and Slatefur too, their littermates were killed when they were only 11 moons old, and they lost both of their parents too. I really wish more brotherly scenes were shown between those two, but I can't even remember the last time they interacted. The Erins like to forget who is related sometimes, I think. You know, like Brightheart and Cinderpelt...who could have had an AWESOME relationship as sisters
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 20:59:01 GMT -5
Yeah, that's what I was saying. I feel bad for her, and all the other cats who eventually wanted out, and then got drowned...more than likely with the help of their own clanmates. I feel really bad for Puddleshine and Slatefur too, their littermates were killed when they were only 11 moons old, and they lost both of their parents too. I really wish more brotherly scenes were shown between those two, but I can't even remember the last time they interacted. The Erins like to forget who is related sometimes, I think. You know, like Brightheart and Cinderpelt...who could have had an AWESOME relationship as sisters Omg, I knowww especially when Brightheart was injured, and Cinderpelt was the one treating her.
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