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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 8:04:09 GMT -5
1. Pinestar
2. Mapleshade
3. Scorchfur
4. Moonflower
5. Strikestone
6. Hollytuft
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All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 14, 2020 8:41:16 GMT -5
1) I've always pitied Pinestar more than anything.
2) I can't stand Mapleshade.
3) I can't stand Scorchfur.
4) I don't really care for Moonflower, though her death was tragic.
5) I really liked Strikestone from what we've seen of him, especially when compared to his siblings.
6) What third daughter from their first litter? Lionblaze and Cinderheart have four daughters, two from each litter: Hollytuft and Sorrelstripe from the first and Flywhisker and Spotfur from the second. Neither Hollytuft or Sorrelstripe have done much, so it's hard to have an opinion on them at all, Flywhisker was just alright, and I like Spotfur so far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 8:49:49 GMT -5
1) I've always pitied Pinestar more than anything. 2) I can't stand Mapleshade. 3) I can't stand Scorchfur. 4) I don't really care for Moonflower, though her death was tragic. 5) I really liked Strikestone from what we've seen of him, especially when compared to his siblings. 6) What third daughter from their first litter? Lionblaze and Cinderheart have four daughters, two from each litter: Hollytuft and Sorrelstripe from the first and Flywhisker and Spotfur from the second. Neither Hollytuft or Sorrelstripe have done much, so it's hard to have an opinion on them at all, Flywhisker was just alright, and I like Spotfur so far. Hollytuft was the one I was thinking of, though, I was curious to see if people would say Sorrelstripe or Hollytuft lol. It's a bit of a relief to see that not EVERYONE is completely in love with Mapleshade, I was beginning to feel a bit abnormal, or something, for not liking her.
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 14, 2020 8:57:07 GMT -5
1) I've always pitied Pinestar more than anything. 2) I can't stand Mapleshade. 3) I can't stand Scorchfur. 4) I don't really care for Moonflower, though her death was tragic. 5) I really liked Strikestone from what we've seen of him, especially when compared to his siblings. 6) What third daughter from their first litter? Lionblaze and Cinderheart have four daughters, two from each litter: Hollytuft and Sorrelstripe from the first and Flywhisker and Spotfur from the second. Neither Hollytuft or Sorrelstripe have done much, so it's hard to have an opinion on them at all, Flywhisker was just alright, and I like Spotfur so far. Hollytuft was the one I was thinking of, though, I was curious to see if people would say Sorrelstripe or Hollytuft lol. It's a bit of a relief to see that not EVERYONE is completely in love with Mapleshade, I was beginning to feel a bit abnormal, or something, for not liking her. I know how you feel. Honestly, the only time I've ever actually liked Mapleshade was in Crookedstar's Promise and I just couldn't really stand her after her novella. It's my least favorite one for multiple reasons, but the biggest one being that it's not even a well-written villain origin story.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 9:03:44 GMT -5
Hollytuft was the one I was thinking of, though, I was curious to see if people would say Sorrelstripe or Hollytuft lol. It's a bit of a relief to see that not EVERYONE is completely in love with Mapleshade, I was beginning to feel a bit abnormal, or something, for not liking her. I know how you feel. Honestly, the only time I've ever actually liked Mapleshade was in Crookedstar's Promise and I just couldn't really stand her after her novella. It's my least favorite one for multiple reasons, but the biggest one being that it's not even a well-written villain origin story. I might have liked her in Crookedstar's Promise, if I had read it before Mapleshade's Vengeance, but I already knew that she was in the Dark Forest, and her motive, so I guess the mystery was out the window, and it made her less appealing or something? I think one of my problems with Mapleshade, is that she's treated like this super innocent cat, who did nothing wrong, when she killed a medicine cat, basically kidnapped an apprentice, and tried to kill a pregnant cat. I know she was grieving and angry because she lost her kits, and pretty much no one stood up for her, but even before that, she wasn't completely innocent. She started a relationship with a cat from a rival clan, and even after he caused the death of Birchface, and kind of Flowerpaw, she continues seeing him, which I understand that she's in love with him, but yeah. Also, when Frecklewish assumes that her kits are Birchface's, she doesn't even deny it, I know she had her reasoning, she didn't want anyone to know that they were Appledusk's, but still, it's a little messed up, that she's letting everyone believe that they're Birchface's, when they're really the guy's who caused his death, and he can't even say anything about it, because he's dead.
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Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 14, 2020 9:48:59 GMT -5
I know how you feel. Honestly, the only time I've ever actually liked Mapleshade was in Crookedstar's Promise and I just couldn't really stand her after her novella. It's my least favorite one for multiple reasons, but the biggest one being that it's not even a well-written villain origin story. I might have liked her in Crookedstar's Promise, if I had read it before Mapleshade's Vengeance, but I already knew that she was in the Dark Forest, and her motive, so I guess the mystery was out the window, and it made her less appealing or something? I think one of my problems with Mapleshade, is that she's treated like this super innocent cat, who did nothing wrong, when she killed a medicine cat, basically kidnapped an apprentice, and tried to kill a pregnant cat. I know she was grieving and angry because she lost her kits, and pretty much no one stood up for her, but even before that, she wasn't completely innocent. She started a relationship with a cat from a rival clan, and even after he caused the death of Birchface, and kind of Flowerpaw, she continues seeing him, which I understand that she's in love with him, but yeah. Also, when Frecklewish assumes that her kits are Birchface's, she doesn't even deny it, I know she had her reasoning, she didn't want anyone to know that they were Appledusk's, but still, it's a little messed up, that she's letting everyone believe that they're Birchface's, when they're really the guy's who caused his death, and he can't even say anything about it, because he's dead. The thing is that she could've worked as either a sympathetic villain or an unreliable narrator, but I don't think there was anything to suggest that the latter was the case and while she is indeed a tragic villain, it's very much overdone to the point where I couldn't take anything seriously. Almost everyone in that novella was unlikable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 9:56:20 GMT -5
I might have liked her in Crookedstar's Promise, if I had read it before Mapleshade's Vengeance, but I already knew that she was in the Dark Forest, and her motive, so I guess the mystery was out the window, and it made her less appealing or something? I think one of my problems with Mapleshade, is that she's treated like this super innocent cat, who did nothing wrong, when she killed a medicine cat, basically kidnapped an apprentice, and tried to kill a pregnant cat. I know she was grieving and angry because she lost her kits, and pretty much no one stood up for her, but even before that, she wasn't completely innocent. She started a relationship with a cat from a rival clan, and even after he caused the death of Birchface, and kind of Flowerpaw, she continues seeing him, which I understand that she's in love with him, but yeah. Also, when Frecklewish assumes that her kits are Birchface's, she doesn't even deny it, I know she had her reasoning, she didn't want anyone to know that they were Appledusk's, but still, it's a little messed up, that she's letting everyone believe that they're Birchface's, when they're really the guy's who caused his death, and he can't even say anything about it, because he's dead. The thing is that she could've worked as either a sympathetic villain or an unreliable narrator, but I don't think there was anything to suggest that the latter was the case and while she is indeed a tragic villain, it's very much overdone to the point where I couldn't take anything seriously. Almost everyone in that novella was unlikable. That's true..I still want to see the novella from another cat's perspective, maybe Nettlepaw's? He was nice to Mapleshade, but also loyal to ThunderClan, so he could be the unbiased protagonist...but he also wouldn't know what was going through the minds of Ravenwing and etc...but we could see a different view on the characters through him. I think I figured out why I don't like Mapleshade's actions, before she starts killing cats, being excused. It's not because of the forbidden relationships being against the code, but it's because of double standards. Everyone berates cats like Dovewing, Tigerheart, Graystripe, etc, while excusing cats like Leafpool and Mapleshade. I understand that Dovewing x Tigerheart was annoying, and they got off easy compared to Mapleshade..but they all did the same crime, I don't understand why some would be excused by the fandom, but others wouldn't.
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Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 14, 2020 10:21:14 GMT -5
The thing is that she could've worked as either a sympathetic villain or an unreliable narrator, but I don't think there was anything to suggest that the latter was the case and while she is indeed a tragic villain, it's very much overdone to the point where I couldn't take anything seriously. Almost everyone in that novella was unlikable. That's true..I still want to see the novella from another cat's perspective, maybe Nettlepaw's? He was nice to Mapleshade, but also loyal to ThunderClan, so he could be the unbiased protagonist...but he also wouldn't know what was going through the minds of Ravenwing and etc...but we could see a different view on the characters through him. I think I figured out why I don't like Mapleshade's actions, before she starts killing cats, being excused. It's not because of the forbidden relationships being against the code, but it's because of double standards. Everyone berates cats like Dovewing, Tigerheart, Graystripe, etc, while excusing cats like Leafpool and Mapleshade. I understand that Dovewing x Tigerheart was annoying, and they got off easy compared to Mapleshade..but they all did the same crime, I don't understand why some would be excused by the fandom, but others wouldn't. I really don't get the double standards either and it's annoying when it comes to any fandom, really. People generally tend to side with the characters the more sympathetic they are, and Mapleshade's story is definitely this because of how ridiculously tragic it is.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 10:34:45 GMT -5
That's true..I still want to see the novella from another cat's perspective, maybe Nettlepaw's? He was nice to Mapleshade, but also loyal to ThunderClan, so he could be the unbiased protagonist...but he also wouldn't know what was going through the minds of Ravenwing and etc...but we could see a different view on the characters through him. I think I figured out why I don't like Mapleshade's actions, before she starts killing cats, being excused. It's not because of the forbidden relationships being against the code, but it's because of double standards. Everyone berates cats like Dovewing, Tigerheart, Graystripe, etc, while excusing cats like Leafpool and Mapleshade. I understand that Dovewing x Tigerheart was annoying, and they got off easy compared to Mapleshade..but they all did the same crime, I don't understand why some would be excused by the fandom, but others wouldn't. I really don't get the double standards either and it's annoying when it comes to any fandom, really. People generally tend to side with the characters the more sympathetic they are, and Mapleshade's story is definitely this because of how ridiculously tragic it is. That makes sense, though, most of the sympathy I felt for her, kind of went out the window, when she tried to kill an innocent pregnant cat, and when she started targeting vulnerable cats like Crookedstar..cats who basically were innocent in the whole scheme of things, just connected to the cats who betrayed her.
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Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 14, 2020 10:49:46 GMT -5
I really don't get the double standards either and it's annoying when it comes to any fandom, really. People generally tend to side with the characters the more sympathetic they are, and Mapleshade's story is definitely this because of how ridiculously tragic it is. That makes sense, though, most of the sympathy I felt for her, kind of went out the window, when she tried to kill an innocent pregnant cat, and when she started targeting vulnerable cats like Crookedstar..cats who basically were innocent in the whole scheme of things, just connected to the cats who betrayed her. Exactly! I really don't have much sympathy for her because of what she ends up doing, and even a little before the truth came out. The only time I felt sorry for her were when her kits died and when she found out that Appledusk had cheated on her.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 10:56:39 GMT -5
That makes sense, though, most of the sympathy I felt for her, kind of went out the window, when she tried to kill an innocent pregnant cat, and when she started targeting vulnerable cats like Crookedstar..cats who basically were innocent in the whole scheme of things, just connected to the cats who betrayed her. Exactly! I really don't have much sympathy for her because of what she ends up doing, and even a little before the truth came out. The only time I felt sorry for her were when her kits died and when she found out that Appledusk had cheated on her. Yeah, same. I wonder if all the videos that get made about Mapleshade, has something to do with how she's perceived?
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 14, 2020 11:41:39 GMT -5
1. Sorta "meh" on him. Though I suppose he did leave ThunderClan, abandoned his mate, newborn kits, and cheated Sunstar out of one of his lives. 2. I liked her in Crookedstar's Promise and Mapleshade's Vengence, but afterwards not so much. I liked the concept of her going after Appledusk's lineage, but not so much her having some sort of part to play with the lives of Goosefeather and Tigerclaw. Overall, I guess I'm not her biggest fan. 3. I like that he's a jerk, makes him stand out from everyone else. 4. She seemed alright from the books we've gotten with her. 5. I love him. I like his name and he's admittedly one of my favorite characters. Compared to his littermates, he's probably the best out of them. Kind of hope he has kits so Dawnpelt's line doesn't die out. 6. I like Hollytuft's name, but she hasn't...done anything significant other than mentor Flipclaw. Neither has Sorrelstripe aside from giving birth to Baypaw and Myrtlepaw, come to think of it.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 11:46:10 GMT -5
HollyfallI can understand why Pinestar left ThunderClan, he didn't want to have to kill his son, sadly, that son grew up to be Tigerclaw. I really like Strikestone's name too I find it funny, how the one with the most aggressive sounding name, turned out to be the least aggressive.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Mar 14, 2020 11:51:52 GMT -5
1. Pinestar - I guess the worst thing he did was abandon his kits. And he did do it so he wouldn't have to kill Tigerkit and because he was overwhelmed with clan life in general. Not the best cat, but I can't say I hate him.
2. Mapleshade - Should not have appeared in Tigerclaw's Fury.
3. Scorchfur - He's the Thornclaw of ShadowClan it seems. I don't have much to say on him.
4. Moonflower/Strikestone/Sorrelstripe/Hollytuft - They are just background characters. I don't really care about them.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 11:54:47 GMT -5
UмвяᴀTrue, Scorchfur is a bit like Thornclaw, the only difference is, Scorchfur has a brain. Then again, Thornclaw didn't go out and attack the dogs when he was an apprentice, like Swiftpaw and Brightheart did, and he didn't disobey his mentor, and run off like Cinderpelt did..is Brackenfur the only cat with any brains in their litter? However, I guess Cinderpelt can be excused, since she was only an apprentice. I know Brightheart was too, but she was old enough to be a warrior so
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 12:08:20 GMT -5
1. Pinestar got screwed over by Starclan. He was literally told to kill his child. I see why he ran away. That kind of responsibility/pressure is more than most cats could take.
2. Mapleshade is a difficult one. She was wrong for a lot of what she did, but I also see why she lost her mind. EVERYONE was awful to her besides Myler. EVERYONE. I wish she was confronted by her kits in the final battle or something and got a chance to redeem herself because she obviously loved them dearly.
3. Scorchfur's redeeming qualities are that he's a good mate and father. He loves Snowbird and his kits. Unfortunately, he's kind of a tool in every other way.
4. Moonflower was a good mom, but I don't really like her that much? Out of the two of them, Goosefeather is the better character
5. Strikestone is best boi and best tiger clone. He's gone through so much but he's still so good-natured, which...is rare for a Shadowclan cat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:12:42 GMT -5
*Ottersplash*Wasn't Nettlepaw also really nice to her? I agree completely with number four and number five. Strikestone is the best current ShadowClan warrior
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 12:23:42 GMT -5
ChickenHe was, but I don't think a random apprentice and Myler were what she needed. She needed someone to stand up for her either in Thunderclan or Riverclan. Well, he's not the BEST to me. Tawnypelt is my fave, but Strikestone is certainly up there (Blazefire is pretty cute too)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:28:46 GMT -5
*Ottersplash* I'm on chapter 20 of Tigerheart's Shadow, and I'm wondering why Blazefire didn't become a medicine cat apprentice, he seemed to LOVE helping Spire out..maybe something happened in the book that I haven't got to yet.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 12:32:11 GMT -5
ChickenWho knows. He got Strikestone as a mentor, so he got super lucky there. Tawnypelt, Strikestone, and Blazefire are deffo my top 3 Shadowclan cats.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 12:38:37 GMT -5
*Ottersplash*Haha true, I don't know much about Blazefire yet..as for Tawnypelt, I don't really care about her that much, I'm sorry for saying this, since she is your favorite ShadowClan cat, but she seemed a bit underutilized to me, in The New Prophecy, she basically did nothing except get bit by a rat, and that was to show off Leafpool and Squirrelflight's mind-link powers, which were then forgotten about, when they could have been used in more interesting ways. I do like how loyal she stayed to Rowanstar though, but I don't like how she went off on anyone who dared to say ONE bad thing about her, like in her novella, where she compares Tigerheart to Tigerclaw..that's messed up. All he did was say one thing against Rowanstar.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 14, 2020 13:45:31 GMT -5
1. Pinestar - I don't like or hate him.
2. Mapleshade - I mostly pity her, but I don't condone her murdering.
3. Scorchfur - Meh.
4. Moonflower - She's okay. I don't like how she treated Goosefeather in Goosefeather's Curse.
5. Strikestone - There's not much to him.
6. That third daughter of Lionblaze and Cinderheart from their first litter. - Hollytuft? So far she hasn't done anything to get an opinion from me.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Mar 14, 2020 14:42:10 GMT -5
ChickenI give her a lot of leeway in her novella. Her mate was treated totally unfairly and it's been shown that Rowan and Tawny very much loved each other, so I understand her lashing out in grief at the clan. After all, everyone wants to blame everything on him and she's the only one left to defend him. I also love her for standing up to her dad and calling her brother a moron for following him. She's just strongwilled, loyal, and a great mother/mate so I love her
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 14:45:13 GMT -5
Chicken I give her a lot of leeway in her novella. Her mate was treated totally unfairly and it's been shown that Rowan and Tawny very much loved each other, so I understand her lashing out in grief at the clan. After all, everyone wants to blame everything on him and she's the only one left to defend him. I also love her for standing up to her dad and calling her brother a moron for following him. She's just strongwilled, loyal, and a great mother/mate so I love her That's true I can understand why Tigerheart was upset too though, I know Tawnypelt was trying to do the best thing for Shadowkit, but from Tigerheart's perspective, she was going to take his sick kit, on a LONG journey to the mountains, during leaf-bare. I also loved her relationship with Rowanstar...they had one of the best family dynamics in the series. I love how Dawnkit/paw and Tigerkit/paw were talking about being deputy, and Rowanclaw teased them about them wanting to get rid of him already, or something like that. Their family reminded me of an actual family, and I loved it lol
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Post by Fireleap on Mar 14, 2020 15:13:15 GMT -5
1. Pinestar I feel bad for him after reading Pinestar's Choice, but I do think it was in bad taste for him to leave his mate, son, and dying daughters so abruptly.
2. Mapleshade I like Mapleshade's Vengence, but it would've served her character better to only appear in Crookedstar's Promise and OotS. She should've been kept a more mysterious figure. Personality wise, I like her a lot. Once her kits died she really changed and became a good leader for the Dark Forest, and was really effective with her individual planning.
3. Scorchfur I hate him. He is so annoying and caused/contributed to many problems in both ShadowClan and SkyClan. The only good thing I remember him doing was running behind Violetshine in Thunder and Shadow to protect her from any WindClan warriors that might come after them. Even then, it's just something any decent warrior would do for an apprentice so he isn't special in that regard.
4. Moonflower She's fine. I feel really bad for her because of how Stormtail treated her, and I can understand her frustration with Goosefeather even if it wasn't fair to him. His power put both of them in a bad situation.
5. Strikestone He made really bad decisions but he wasn't the worst member of AVoS era ShadowClan so that's something I guess.
6. Hollytuft I love the name, but I cannot remember a single thing about her.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 14, 2020 15:59:31 GMT -5
1. Pinestar Dislike
2. Mapleshade: Love
3. Scorchfur: Love
4. Moonflower: Like
5. Strikestone: Like
6. That third daughter of Lionblaze and Cinderheart from their first litter. Who?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 16:08:39 GMT -5
1. Pinestar Dislike2. Mapleshade: Love3. Scorchfur: Love4. Moonflower: Like5. Strikestone: Like6. That third daughter of Lionblaze and Cinderheart from their first litter. Who?Hollytuft, or Sorrelstripe, whichever you feel like mentioning lol I was thinking of Hollytuft when I made it, but I couldn't remember her name
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 14, 2020 17:08:27 GMT -5
1. Pinestar - I like him, I feel bad for him
2. Mapleshade - Second favourite character, wish they made her more of a neutral evil though isntad of lol kill everyone in future books, favourite cat to make aus about
3. Scorchfur - Deserved better
4. Moonflower - Beautiful name
5. Strikestone - From what I remember of him, hes cool
6. That third daughter of Lionblaze and Cinderheart from their first litter. - No idea who
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2020 17:11:38 GMT -5
1. Pinestar - I like him, I feel bad for him 2. Mapleshade - Second favourite character, wish they made her more of a neutral evil though isntad of lol kill everyone in future books, favourite cat to make aus about 3. Scorchfur - Deserved better 4. Moonflower - Beautiful name 5. Strikestone - From what I remember of him, hes cool 6. That third daughter of Lionblaze and Cinderheart from their first litter. - No idea who Let's go with Hollytuft, she was the only I was originally thinking about, but I couldn't remember her name, then I was curious to see if people would go with Sorrelstripe or Hollytuft, since they're both daughters of Cinderheart and Lionblaze's first litter.
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