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Post by cappuccinokitty on Mar 13, 2020 11:24:41 GMT -5
After TST, I doubt he'll get a redemption, so I guess we're getting evil Berrynose. Well, there goes his entire character development but okay
Berrynose is/was probably one of the most consistently written in the series imo, and even as a side character he had more personality than some of the major protagonists. Personally it's still a waste of his character, buuttt i'm kind of warming up to it?
He could have potential to become a decent villain. I mean, he's obnoxious, insensitive and has lots of distinctive traits that make him unlikeable. His ambition and eagerness to please Bramblefake also ties in with his character, unlike Bumblestripe. During Dovewing's Silence, he even said that all trainees should be executed, (but I can't be sure, I haven't read that book in agees).
Berrynose is shaping up to be a more interesting Sleekwhisker, alongside having a decent claim to leadership, which would cause a fair amount of chaos.
Thoughts on an evil Berrynose?
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Post by Moonblazer on Mar 13, 2020 11:39:15 GMT -5
I’ve just kind of accepted it at this point. I still love him, I always will, but at the same time I’m kind of sad I guess? Though, at least his actions in terms of around Bramblestar are more in character than anyone else. He was mentored by him, of course he’d support who he believes is still Bramblestar. We’ll see how it goes. So long as they write him well, I’m fine with him being a villain, redeemed, killed, whatever. At least he gets screentime.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 11:39:46 GMT -5
WHY? Why him?
Can't we have a slight jerk character, who is still good at the core? I mean, there's Scorchfur, but ehhhh.
I guess it makes sense that he'd follow the impostor, Bramblestar was his mentor, and he's always been adamant about upholding The Warrior Code.
I just never thought he'd break it/help break it.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 13, 2020 15:10:33 GMT -5
*Holds Scorchfur away from the Erins* Pls no.
I love grumpy characters, I find them interesting but most of the grumps have been meh for me over time.
Yellowfang lost all likeability after death, Mudclaw obviously bit the dust as well, Jayfeather is getting less tolerable by the book, Berrynose was okay until now, and Scorchfur is still grumpy but like has settled down.
I'm glad he never went the villain route, it would have been too ooc, which is my same feeling toward Berrynose. Why make him a villain???
All my respect for his character vanished to be honest. And listen, I didn't care for Shadowsight as much as the next person, but having Berrynose help Imposterstar attack and possibly murder a young medicine cat is wild...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2020 15:22:18 GMT -5
*Holds Scorchfur away from the Erins* Pls no. I love grumpy characters, I find them interesting but most of the grumps have been meh for me over time. Yellowfang lost all likeability after death, Mudclaw obviously bit the dust as well, Jayfeather is getting less tolerable by the book, Berrynose was okay until now, and Scorchfur is still grumpy but like has settled down. I'm glad he never went the villain route, it would have been too ooc, which is my same feeling toward Berrynose. Why make him a villain??? All my respect for his character vanished to be honest. And listen, I didn't care for Shadowsight as much as the next person, but having Berrynose help Imposterstar attack and possibly murder a young medicine cat is wild... One good thing about Mudclaw, is that he became even more honorable after death. I still can't wrap my head around Berrynose doing something like that, even if he truly believed that it was Bramblestar..it's just..what? Even if he followed "the leader's word is the warrior code" law, they're still breaking another law by killing Shadowsight. However, it seems like some codes are more important than others to StarClan.
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Post by scint on Mar 13, 2020 15:51:43 GMT -5
All it makes me think of is how in these newer books either the good and/or consistent characters get ruined and become OOC or the interesting and/or likable characters either get pushed to the side or die too quickly. I'll keep reading this arc, but my tolerance with their treatment of older characters is decreasing steadily.
Sigh, I miss the Berrynose that wasn't incredibly OOC.
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Post by Hollyfall on Mar 13, 2020 16:05:05 GMT -5
As much as I find him annoying, I don't think he would genuinely support Bramblestar if he knew he was an impostor. Berrynose is a suck-up, and he can be a huge jerk sometimes, and the scenes of him being deputy is just him bullying his Clanmates and annoying the impostor, which is still in character for him now that he's in a position of power within ThunderClan. I'm not sure I understand why people claim he's out of character; I think this makes sense for him that he's being "Bramblestar's" closest supporter. However, I really don't believe he would intentionally try and hurt cats if that makes any sense?
Even though I find him unbearably annoying, I sort of do hope he comes to his senses after the impostor's identity is revealed. Yeah, he sucks up to Bramblestar, but I think that could change if he knew what was up.
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Post by Jaysnow on Mar 13, 2020 16:17:15 GMT -5
He's annoying, but I'm really not sure if I'd put murder past him in particular cases like this.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Mar 13, 2020 16:42:15 GMT -5
I crave for a bad guy that isnt just bad to be bad (hence why I love mapleshade and was sad with how they turned her into just another blood hungry cat, same with thistle)
darktail was a great bad guy
maybe berrynose will shape up to be too?
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 13, 2020 18:01:57 GMT -5
I think the reason Berrynose is getting dunked on like this is because cats are acting on fear and desperation or anger and feeling betrayed. Either they're eager to try and please StarClan to bring them back, no matter what, or they feel abandoned and angry about being left and want to find a way to move on without them. Both notions can be good and bad. But if Berrynose is doing this because he thinks it's the right thing to do, I wouldn't put it past him, but I don't think he'd outright do this just for the sake of going full-on villain.
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Post by vectoring34 on Mar 13, 2020 18:28:56 GMT -5
All Berrynose has done so far is be a pompous lap dog, I really think people are going a bit far in saying he's a villain. Him becoming a villain would be interesting though, allowing us to see the "just following orders!" excuse in full swing again. He isn't half as bad as certain other bootlicking cats, mostly because the worst Bramble has done thus far is just exile people(at least to his knowledge).
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Mar 13, 2020 23:07:14 GMT -5
Berrynose may be a complete ass sometimes, but it's kind of hard for me to see him as an actual villain when he's just a simp for Bramblefake.
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#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 14, 2020 12:31:50 GMT -5
Even though he was a jerk, I didn't expect him to possibly help the impostor kill a medicine cat.
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