|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:16:02 GMT -5
What do you guys think about her? On another thread, I saw that a few people really dislike her.
I'm neutral on her, bordering on like.
In Dawn of the Clans, she seemed like a really nice and caring cat.
In Moth Flight's Vision, she did cause a war between SkyClan and WindClan by faking that SkyClan was stealing prey, which was really bad.
In her defense though, she was driven mad by grief, because when Red Claw brought that dog into Slash's camp, it not only killed her friend, but her brother as well, so it's understandable why she'd be mad.
She went about things the completely wrong way, but I don't blame her for being angry.
|
|
|
Post by Ivyfalcon on Mar 8, 2020 14:27:54 GMT -5
I don’t hate her, I just dislike how she handled the issue, like you said.
(I assume you’re referring to the best/worst thread when you say you’ve seen people disliking her. The reason I put her as my least favorite WindClan she-cat is that I couldn’t think of any other she-cat I disliked.)
|
|
|
Post by Fernshiine on Mar 8, 2020 14:36:00 GMT -5
I disliked her until I realized her motive. I was genuinely sad when she was blinded during her death scene. And just by her death scene in general.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:38:38 GMT -5
IvyfalconYes, I was referring to that thread...that makes sense, I had a hard time finding cats to name too lol, I don't even remember who I put as my least favorite WindClan she-cat FernshiineIt's kind of strange, how she was blinded just before she died, and she was super enraged, with something to do with the death of someone close to her, and Frecklewish from ThunderClan was also blinded just before she died, and she was super enraged with something to do with the death of someone close to her.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:46:48 GMT -5
I disliked her. Good riddance.
|
|
#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
|
Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 8, 2020 14:48:55 GMT -5
I didn't really feel sorry for her, regardless of her motive. She basically dragged everyone else into her problems just because she wanted to get revenge on a single cat, and it was all over a misunderstanding! I didn't really think she was that compelling of an antagonist, either.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 14:52:49 GMT -5
I didn't really feel sorry for her, regardless of her motive. She basically dragged everyone else into her problems just because she wanted to get revenge on a single cat, and it was all over a misunderstanding! I didn't really think she was that compelling of an antagonist, either. That's true She should have just taken Red Claw out one on one or something. I would have been very sad if that happened though, because Red Claw was my favorite character from Dawn of the Clans, except for Shattered Ice.
|
|
Aroace
#90ec86
Name Colour
Pineclaw
Pronouns: He/Him or They/Them
|
Post by Pineclaw on Mar 8, 2020 14:53:04 GMT -5
Pretty much hate her. There's no excuse for what she did and I have no sympathy for her. If she hadn't involved the clans maybe then I would feel a little bit bad for her.
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 16:03:32 GMT -5
She's okay, but she handled her grief in a terrible way.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 16:24:18 GMT -5
She's okay, but she handled her grief in a terrible way. A LOT of cats seem to handle their grief terribly in this series. Oakstar exiled three kits Dawnpelt accused Jayfeather of murder Frecklewish attacked Mapleshade in front of her kits, and called them things, or monsters, I don't remember Clear Sky...oh wow...he did NOT handle his grief well Crowfeather almost jumped into the thunderpath, he was so distraught over Feathertail etc.
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 17:00:54 GMT -5
She's okay, but she handled her grief in a terrible way. A LOT of cats seem to handle their grief terribly in this series. Oakstar exiled three kits Dawnpelt accused Jayfeather of murder Frecklewish attacked Mapleshade in front of her kits, and called them things, or monsters, I don't remember Clear Sky...oh wow...he did NOT handle his grief well Crowfeather almost jumped into the thunderpath, he was so distraught over Feathertail etc. True. It's depressing.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 17:07:07 GMT -5
A LOT of cats seem to handle their grief terribly in this series. Oakstar exiled three kits Dawnpelt accused Jayfeather of murder Frecklewish attacked Mapleshade in front of her kits, and called them things, or monsters, I don't remember Clear Sky...oh wow...he did NOT handle his grief well Crowfeather almost jumped into the thunderpath, he was so distraught over Feathertail etc. True. It's depressing. It is..I mean Sorreltail handled her grief in a healthy way, but she's a background character, so it hardly counts
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 17:50:49 GMT -5
It is..I mean Sorreltail handled her grief in a healthy way, but she's a background character, so it hardly counts It counts a little in my opinion. Sorreltail may be a background character, but there's quite a bit of things we know about her. That's probably more than what we get from the background characters we have now.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 17:53:25 GMT -5
It is..I mean Sorreltail handled her grief in a healthy way, but she's a background character, so it hardly counts It counts a little in my opinion. Sorreltail may be a background character, but there's quite a bit of things we know about her. That's probably more than what we get from the background characters we have now. That's true...I wish it could happen with a main character though. I know that Crookedstar and Tallstar eventually grew from their griefs, but initially, they did NOT react well. Crookedstar ignored his kits for awhile, and Tallstar went off to go kill a guy.
|
|
|
Post by Fernshiine on Mar 8, 2020 18:13:34 GMT -5
She's okay, but she handled her grief in a terrible way. A LOT of cats seem to handle their grief terribly in this series. Oakstar exiled three kits Dawnpelt accused Jayfeather of murder Frecklewish attacked Mapleshade in front of her kits, and called them things, or monsters, I don't remember Clear Sky...oh wow...he did NOT handle his grief well Crowfeather almost jumped into the thunderpath, he was so distraught over Feathertail etc. Yes! And the Frecklewish thing is YIKES. Poor lil kits...all they did was be born.
Hollyleaf reacted by almost killing her mother and running off.
Ashfur tried to kill Firestar and later threatened three kits.
Brambleclaw just ignored Squirrelflight for ages.
Millie took her anger out on Blossomfall, comparing her to Briarlight in an unhealthy way.
Scourge decides that killing is the only way to survive. Violence and strength were all that mattered to him.
Brightflower blamed her own kit for the death of her youngest litter of kits.
Snowfur runs out onto the thunderpath chasing out intruders while being furious with her sister...
So much.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 18:18:17 GMT -5
A LOT of cats seem to handle their grief terribly in this series. Oakstar exiled three kits Dawnpelt accused Jayfeather of murder Frecklewish attacked Mapleshade in front of her kits, and called them things, or monsters, I don't remember Clear Sky...oh wow...he did NOT handle his grief well Crowfeather almost jumped into the thunderpath, he was so distraught over Feathertail etc. Yes! And the Frecklewish thing is YIKES. Poor lil kits...all they did was be born.
Hollyleaf reacted by almost killing her mother and running off.
Ashfur tried to kill Firestar and later threatened three kits.
Brambleclaw just ignored Squirrelflight for ages.
Millie took her anger out on Blossomfall, comparing her to Briarlight in an unhealthy way.
Scourge decides that killing is the only way to survive. Violence and strength were all that mattered to him.
Brightflower blamed her own kit for the death of her youngest litter of kits.
Snowfur runs out onto the thunderpath chasing out intruders while being furious with her sister...
So much.Oh yeah, those too! Also, Rainflower neglected Crookedstar, and always tried to make him feel like dirt Shrewclaw tried to kill the leader of ShadowClan, and he also said something really mean to Tallstar.
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 18:28:13 GMT -5
It counts a little in my opinion. Sorreltail may be a background character, but there's quite a bit of things we know about her. That's probably more than what we get from the background characters we have now. That's true...I wish it could happen with a main character though. I know that Crookedstar and Tallstar eventually grew from their griefs, but initially, they did NOT react well. Crookedstar ignored his kits for awhile, and Tallstar went off to go kill a guy. I agree. Tallstar really went over the top; yikes!
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 18:30:28 GMT -5
That's true...I wish it could happen with a main character though. I know that Crookedstar and Tallstar eventually grew from their griefs, but initially, they did NOT react well. Crookedstar ignored his kits for awhile, and Tallstar went off to go kill a guy. I agree. Tallstar really went over the top; yikes! Right? I also forgot about the fact that he almost KILLED his own clanmate, because he mistook him for Sparrow It wasn't like, he saw him from a distance, and thought he was Sparrow either, it was, like he was fighting with him, and saw Sparrow there instead of Shrewclaw.
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 18:32:22 GMT -5
I agree. Tallstar really went over the top; yikes! Right? I also forgot about the fact that he almost KILLED his own clanmate, because he mistook him for Sparrow It wasn't like, he saw him from a distance, and thought he was Sparrow either, it was, like he was fighting with him, and saw Sparrow there instead of Shrewclaw. Did he? That's insane. : o
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 18:34:52 GMT -5
Right? I also forgot about the fact that he almost KILLED his own clanmate, because he mistook him for Sparrow It wasn't like, he saw him from a distance, and thought he was Sparrow either, it was, like he was fighting with him, and saw Sparrow there instead of Shrewclaw. Did he? That's insane. : o Here's the scene “Don’t you know any warrior moves?” Shrewpaw snarled. “I fought better when I was a kit. No wonder you couldn’t save your father!”
Fury roared through Tallpaw, stripping sense from his thoughts like wind tearing up heather.
Without thinking, he unsheathed his claws and bit down on Shrewpaw’s foreleg so hard he tasted the young tom’s blood. Shrewpaw screeched and dragged himself free.
Tallpaw plunged after him, grabbing him without stretched claws, and hauled him back. Flinging him to the ground, he slammed his hind legs into Shrewpaw’s belly and began battering him with blows that sent fur flying across the grass.
The heather swam at the edge of Tallpaw’s vision and the dark shape of Shrewpaw seemed to fade beneath him.
In its place, Tallpaw saw the short, brown pelt of Sparrow.
“You!” He dragged the rogue onto his side, dripping blood from his scratched muzzle into the rogue’s dark, expressionless face. “You deserve to die.”
“Tallpaw!” Dawnstripe’s yowl seemed to come from far away.
The tug of her teeth in Tallpaw’s scruff startled him. He felt himself being yanked back, clear off his paws.
Hareflight lunged in front of him, shielding Shrewpaw.
“What in StarClan’s name are you doing?”The brown warrior stared at him, horror widening his eyes.
Tallpaw blinked. Shrewpaw was trembling, bloody and tattered, on the ground beside his mentor.
What have I done?
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 19:13:31 GMT -5
Did he? That's insane. : o Here's the scene “Don’t you know any warrior moves?” Shrewpaw snarled. “I fought better when I was a kit. No wonder you couldn’t save your father!”
Fury roared through Tallpaw, stripping sense from his thoughts like wind tearing up heather.
Without thinking, he unsheathed his claws and bit down on Shrewpaw’s foreleg so hard he tasted the young tom’s blood. Shrewpaw screeched and dragged himself free.
Tallpaw plunged after him, grabbing him without stretched claws, and hauled him back. Flinging him to the ground, he slammed his hind legs into Shrewpaw’s belly and began battering him with blows that sent fur flying across the grass.
The heather swam at the edge of Tallpaw’s vision and the dark shape of Shrewpaw seemed to fade beneath him.
In its place, Tallpaw saw the short, brown pelt of Sparrow.
“You!” He dragged the rogue onto his side, dripping blood from his scratched muzzle into the rogue’s dark, expressionless face. “You deserve to die.”
“Tallpaw!” Dawnstripe’s yowl seemed to come from far away.
The tug of her teeth in Tallpaw’s scruff startled him. He felt himself being yanked back, clear off his paws.
Hareflight lunged in front of him, shielding Shrewpaw.
“What in StarClan’s name are you doing?”The brown warrior stared at him, horror widening his eyes.
Tallpaw blinked. Shrewpaw was trembling, bloody and tattered, on the ground beside his mentor.
What have I done? oh my gosh
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 19:16:30 GMT -5
Here's the scene “Don’t you know any warrior moves?” Shrewpaw snarled. “I fought better when I was a kit. No wonder you couldn’t save your father!”
Fury roared through Tallpaw, stripping sense from his thoughts like wind tearing up heather.
Without thinking, he unsheathed his claws and bit down on Shrewpaw’s foreleg so hard he tasted the young tom’s blood. Shrewpaw screeched and dragged himself free.
Tallpaw plunged after him, grabbing him without stretched claws, and hauled him back. Flinging him to the ground, he slammed his hind legs into Shrewpaw’s belly and began battering him with blows that sent fur flying across the grass.
The heather swam at the edge of Tallpaw’s vision and the dark shape of Shrewpaw seemed to fade beneath him.
In its place, Tallpaw saw the short, brown pelt of Sparrow.
“You!” He dragged the rogue onto his side, dripping blood from his scratched muzzle into the rogue’s dark, expressionless face. “You deserve to die.”
“Tallpaw!” Dawnstripe’s yowl seemed to come from far away.
The tug of her teeth in Tallpaw’s scruff startled him. He felt himself being yanked back, clear off his paws.
Hareflight lunged in front of him, shielding Shrewpaw.
“What in StarClan’s name are you doing?”The brown warrior stared at him, horror widening his eyes.
Tallpaw blinked. Shrewpaw was trembling, bloody and tattered, on the ground beside his mentor.
What have I done? oh my gosh I was a bit shocked when I read it. I can't imagine how terrified Shrewpaw must have been, he also must have been a little hurt by Tallpaw telling him that he deserves to die. Of course, Tallpaw wasn't saying those things to Shrewpaw, but he doesn't know that. It's just strange, how hot-headed Tallstar used to be, compared to how he was in the main series.
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 19:26:18 GMT -5
oh my gosh I was a bit shocked when I read it. I can't imagine how terrified Shrewpaw must have been, he also must have been a little hurt by Tallpaw telling him that he deserves to die. Of course, Tallpaw wasn't saying those things to Shrewpaw, but he doesn't know that. It's just strange, how hot-headed Tallstar used to be, compared to how he was in the main series. I wouldn't blame him if he was hurt by Tallpaw's words. Being attacked like that is scary. I agree that it's strange. Seems like time and experience made him an okay leader.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 19:35:40 GMT -5
I was a bit shocked when I read it. I can't imagine how terrified Shrewpaw must have been, he also must have been a little hurt by Tallpaw telling him that he deserves to die. Of course, Tallpaw wasn't saying those things to Shrewpaw, but he doesn't know that. It's just strange, how hot-headed Tallstar used to be, compared to how he was in the main series. I wouldn't blame him if he was hurt by Tallpaw's words. Being attacked like that is scary. I agree that it's strange. Seems like time and experience made him an okay leader. I wish they would have showed how he became leader, and why Heatherstar chose him as deputy. Like, being this hot-headed cat, to being the calm and nice leader we all know and love.
|
|
|
Post by Willowmoon on Mar 8, 2020 19:42:30 GMT -5
I like her name and that is literally all I remember about her.
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 19:52:27 GMT -5
I wouldn't blame him if he was hurt by Tallpaw's words. Being attacked like that is scary. I agree that it's strange. Seems like time and experience made him an okay leader. I wish they would have showed how he became leader, and why Heatherstar chose him as deputy. Like, being this hot-headed cat, to being the calm and nice leader we all know and love. I agree. I would have loved to see how much he changed.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 19:58:07 GMT -5
I wish they would have showed how he became leader, and why Heatherstar chose him as deputy. Like, being this hot-headed cat, to being the calm and nice leader we all know and love. I agree. I would have loved to see how much he changed. Me too, I don't know what could have been cut out though, to make room for that, maybe shorten the amount of pages, where he's trying to escape from the house? Cut out some of Shrewclaw's scenes when they were kits/apprentices?
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 20:24:57 GMT -5
I agree. I would have loved to see how much he changed. Me too, I don't know what could have been cut out though, to make room for that, maybe shorten the amount of pages, where he's trying to escape from the house? Cut out some of Shrewclaw's scenes when they were kits/apprentices? Or maybe the book can be longer. x) How bad were the scenes when Shrewclaw and Tallstar were kits?
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 20:33:23 GMT -5
Me too, I don't know what could have been cut out though, to make room for that, maybe shorten the amount of pages, where he's trying to escape from the house? Cut out some of Shrewclaw's scenes when they were kits/apprentices? Or maybe the book can be longer. x) How bad were the scenes when Shrewclaw and Tallstar were kits? Not that bad, just Shrewkit calling Tallkit Wormkit and teasing him a little bit. It starts getting worse when they're apprentices, because Shrewpaw will fight with his claws out most of the time, and he's now calling Tallpaw Wormpaw. I'm REALLY curious as to what the heck Brackenwing was telling him in the nursery
|
|
#add8e6
Name Colour
*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
|
Post by *Ravenpaw* on Mar 8, 2020 20:59:19 GMT -5
Or maybe the book can be longer. x) How bad were the scenes when Shrewclaw and Tallstar were kits? Not that bad, just Shrewkit calling Tallkit Wormkit and teasing him a little bit. It starts getting worse when they're apprentices, because Shrewpaw will fight with his claws out most of the time, and he's now calling Tallpaw Wormpaw. I'm REALLY curious as to what the heck Brackenwing was telling him in the nursery I wouldn't be surprised if Brackenwing had a part in it.
|
|