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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2020 2:45:35 GMT -5
Anyone else feel bad for them? Like seriously. They work as hard as any cat in SkyClan while they're there, it's not like they are lazing around doing nothing. And still they get treated like burning garbage by the full warriors. Ahem, even though the full SkyClan warriors were nothing but rogues and kittypets before and would have remained that way if it wasn't for Firestar and Sandstorm. It's very aggravating to read, I just dislike the xenophobic aspect of the Clans in general.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 8, 2020 4:25:07 GMT -5
I think its more about commitment and loyalty to be honest. And because of Daylight warriors SkyClan was so exposed to attacks at night. They lost their home but Daylight warriors can always go back to their twolegs. I have more respect for the ones that stayed with SkyClan.
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Post by ratman on Mar 8, 2020 6:11:29 GMT -5
skyclan was screwed either wway with how badly they were outnumbered, apparently, and there was literally 3 daylight warriors at the time. (i dont count frecklewish since she was a mc and from what i remember wasnt interested in learning warrior stuff much anyway.) thats hardly half the clan or anything.
i found them to be a unique and enjoyable aspect that worked because they were away from the main body of the other clan's distrust of outsiders, but now skyclan doesnt have much going for it. the only thing about it that i agree with was when they were like a daylight warrior shouldnt be a mc, if only because stuff happens at night and they really need to be on call at all times.
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Post by Brindlefern on Mar 8, 2020 13:37:28 GMT -5
While they were technically a good asset given the circumstances Skyclan was yeah, screwed either way. There wasn't exactly many Daylight Warriors to even make much of a dent in numbers to begin with and not only that but it's practically sheer unfortunate coincidence that the attacks on Skyclan, regardless of what's causing them, always seem to happen when the DWs are off-hours or able to just barely make it but be too late.
It sucks because I loved the Daylight Warriors and found them a unique concept in terms of "double dipping" in clan life, which was what Firestar himself was told not to do. I wonder how he'd react to hearing about the Daylight Warriors, I doubt it'd be really negative because it's Firestar, and frankly the Xenophobia towards them is more frustrating than not given old gorge Skyclan loved to shit on them literally for no reason at times.
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Post by Fernshiine on Mar 8, 2020 13:44:34 GMT -5
I felt bad for them, yes, but Firestar should've taught Leafstar more about the whole "you cannot live with a paw in each world" dealio. He kinda tried to teach SkyClan that but obviously the cats missed the point, and Firestar left practically as soon as Leafstar was made leader. I get that he wanted to return home but at the same time Leafstar hadn't been trained specifically as a leader, only as a warrior. She was a loner before who had no concept of leadership. I don't know, but as much as I dislike her I must admit that her flaws are mainly because she wasn't exactly brought up in a Clan and didn't even expect to lead anything in her life. Unlike Echosong, who had training from StarClan, Leafstar only talked to StarClan a couple of times and was expected to lead without any prior knowledge or experience. In Clans cats are deputies first so they get experience, and they have to be mentors before that.
I think that the Daylight Warrior concept was flawed. But I do understand why it was a part of SkyClan.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 8, 2020 14:01:19 GMT -5
I've always liked them. The concept was very unique and it made sense for Leafstar to allow it since not only was SkyClan on their own during this time, but the entire reason the concept existed in the first place was to serve as a way for SkyClan to grow in numbers. And by the time they left the gorge, there'd been far more full-time warriors than daylight warriors anyway.
The only thing I wish Leafstar had done was create some sort of deadline (six to twelve moons seems reasonable), but other than that, the concept and the cats themselves were fine.
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Post by Fernshiine on Mar 8, 2020 14:09:02 GMT -5
I've always liked them. The concept was very unique and it made sense for Leafstar to allow it since not only was SkyClan on their own during this time, but the entire reason the concept existed in the first place was to serve as a way for SkyClan to grow in numbers. And by the time they left the gorge, there'd been far more full-time warriors than daylight warriors anyway. The only thing I wish Leafstar had done was create some sort of deadline (six to twelve moons seems reasonable), but other than that, the concept and the cats themselves were fine. Leafstar should've given them a deadline to fully join the Clan. Agreed. At the time SkyClan was accepting and had no influence from other Clans, who would've taunted her for allowing kittypets to live part-time in her Clan. It does make sense that it wasn't a terrible idea at the time. I do think the Daylight Warriors who stayed home rather than joined SkyClan in the end weren't the most loyal cats. I was rather disappointed with Ebonyclaw. She had so much potential!
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 8, 2020 14:16:13 GMT -5
I've always liked them. The concept was very unique and it made sense for Leafstar to allow it since not only was SkyClan on their own during this time, but the entire reason the concept existed in the first place was to serve as a way for SkyClan to grow in numbers. And by the time they left the gorge, there'd been far more full-time warriors than daylight warriors anyway. The only thing I wish Leafstar had done was create some sort of deadline (six to twelve moons seems reasonable), but other than that, the concept and the cats themselves were fine. Leafstar should've given them a deadline to fully join the Clan. Agreed. At the time SkyClan was accepting and had no influence from other Clans, who would've taunted her for allowing kittypets to live part-time in her Clan. It does make sense that it wasn't a terrible idea at the time. I do think the Daylight Warriors who stayed home rather than joined SkyClan in the end weren't the most loyal cats. I was rather disappointed with Ebonyclaw. She had so much potential!I think the reason Haveymoon and Ebonyclaw stayed behind had as much to do with their own guilt as it did with their love for their Twolegs. I never really blamed them for not leaving with their Clan. Same goes for Parsleyseed and Curlypaw.
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Post by Fernshiine on Mar 8, 2020 14:20:15 GMT -5
Leafstar should've given them a deadline to fully join the Clan. Agreed. At the time SkyClan was accepting and had no influence from other Clans, who would've taunted her for allowing kittypets to live part-time in her Clan. It does make sense that it wasn't a terrible idea at the time. I do think the Daylight Warriors who stayed home rather than joined SkyClan in the end weren't the most loyal cats. I was rather disappointed with Ebonyclaw. She had so much potential! I think the reason Haveymoon and Ebonyclaw stayed behind had as much to do with their own guilt as it did with their love for their Twolegs. I never really blamed them for not leaving with their Clan. Same goes for Parsleyseed and Curlypaw. I saw it as wasted potential for the most part. I mean...the daylight warriors fought prejudice to stay in SkyClan and finally earn the respect of the Clanmates.
I'm just glad Macgyver decided to go with! And kinda surprised. I would think that of all cats he would've been happy to stay with his Twolegs.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 9, 2020 1:41:32 GMT -5
I think the reason Haveymoon and Ebonyclaw stayed behind had as much to do with their own guilt as it did with their love for their Twolegs. I never really blamed them for not leaving with their Clan. Same goes for Parsleyseed and Curlypaw. I saw it as wasted potential for the most part. I mean...the daylight warriors fought prejudice to stay in SkyClan and finally earn the respect of the Clanmates.
I'm just glad Macgyver decided to go with! And kinda surprised. I would think that of all cats he would've been happy to stay with his Twolegs.I'm actually happy he stayed, because he has shown to be one of the side Sky cats with good background development. I think after Hawk becomes leader that Macgyver would make a good deputy tbh.
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Post by Jayie on Mar 9, 2020 6:42:07 GMT -5
I saw it as wasted potential for the most part. I mean...the daylight warriors fought prejudice to stay in SkyClan and finally earn the respect of the Clanmates.
I'm just glad Macgyver decided to go with! And kinda surprised. I would think that of all cats he would've been happy to stay with his Twolegs. I'm actually happy he stayed, because he has shown to be one of the side Sky cats with good background development. I think after Hawk becomes leader that Macgyver would make a good deputy tbh. I actually really respect Ebonyclaw for staying with her twolegs, as much as I miss her. The Clans tend to think they’re the center of the universe and that any cat would kill to be part of them, so it’s nice sometimes to see cats who have the courage and honor of any Clan cat, but actually prefer life outside of the Clans, because Clan life isn’t the only option that would appeal to a good, honorable cat. And I do like how much she clearly loves her house folk.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Mar 9, 2020 18:27:46 GMT -5
I'm actually happy he stayed, because he has shown to be one of the side Sky cats with good background development. I think after Hawk becomes leader that Macgyver would make a good deputy tbh. I actually really respect Ebonyclaw for staying with her twolegs, as much as I miss her. The Clans tend to think they’re the center of the universe and that any cat would kill to be part of them, so it’s nice sometimes to see cats who have the courage and honor of any Clan cat, but actually prefer life outside of the Clans, because Clan life isn’t the only option that would appeal to a good, honorable cat. And I do like how much she clearly loves her house folk. Personally I feel the opposite, but I get where you're coming from. I didn't like that she chose to stay with her Twolegs when things started getting rough. I had more sympathy for cats who lost loves ones and were unwilling to leave their memories behind, and were too busy grieving. I think those were good reasons for staying, but when it comes to cats that chose their comfy lives over the code in their worst times, not too much. I personally really hate the idea of Daylight warriors because their is a lack of commitment, regardless of if they're willing to fight for the clan cats or not. Cause in the end it shows that they were never truly dedicated to them. No, the clan life isn't for everyone, but I don't think they should have waited that long to have decided for themselves, and especially not in the worst case scenario when cats were already suffering, and they've already lost so many good warriors.
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Post by Jayie on Mar 9, 2020 19:52:25 GMT -5
I actually really respect Ebonyclaw for staying with her twolegs, as much as I miss her. The Clans tend to think they’re the center of the universe and that any cat would kill to be part of them, so it’s nice sometimes to see cats who have the courage and honor of any Clan cat, but actually prefer life outside of the Clans, because Clan life isn’t the only option that would appeal to a good, honorable cat. And I do like how much she clearly loves her house folk. Personally I feel the opposite, but I get where you're coming from. I didn't like that she chose to stay with her Twolegs when things started getting rough. I had more sympathy for cats who lost loves ones and were unwilling to leave their memories behind, and were too busy grieving. I think those were good reasons for staying, but when it comes to cats that chose their comfy lives over the code in their worst times, not too much. I personally really hate the idea of Daylight warriors because their is a lack of commitment, regardless of if they're willing to fight for the clan cats or not. Cause in the end it shows that they were never truly dedicated to them. No, the clan life isn't for everyone, but I don't think they should have waited that long to have decided for themselves, and especially not in the worst case scenario when cats were already suffering, and they've already lost so many good warriors. I see what you mean, but in Ebonyclaw’s case, I don’t think it had anything to do with not wanting to leave her comfy life and go on a dangerous journey. She’s certainly shown courage enough in other instances. I believe from what we’ve seen of her and from what she’s said, that the reason she didn’t go with them is because she wasn’t willing to leave her house folk forever. We’ve seen before in Warriors that kittypets often consider their house folk to be family, so I imagine for her it was like having to choose between two sides of her family, and to her credit she was very clear and honest about the choice she made. Whether you like the daylight warrior concept or not (personally I think the benefits outweigh the detriments, sure there’s less fighters around at night but you also have more hunters with less cats actually taking prey from the pile, and the “ no paw between two worlds” always felt more snobby to me than anything else), but whether it’s a good or bad arrangement, being allowed to live both with the Clan and with their house folk was the arrangement the daylight warriors were promised, so I can’t really blame any of them for choosing something other than living with the Clan forever when that arrangement changed, especially keeping in mind their love for their house folk. I can see how the Clan wouldn’t be pleased, certainly, but I can see how hard a choice it would’ve been for them.
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