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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 23:14:21 GMT -5
I'm confused about something.
Cedarstar gets a lot of hate for attacking WindClan, but Sunstar and Pinestar also attacked WindClan, but they don't get the amount of hate that Cedarstar does.
I know that Pinestar and Sunstar are shown to have very good qualities, but so is Cedarstar.
Maybe it was because ThunderClan's attacks on WindClan were shown from ThunderClan's POV, and we knew their reasoning, but ShadowClan's attack was shown through WindClan's POV, and their reasoning was never known.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't get why one character gets vilified, but others don't when they all basically did the same thing.
Do you guys know of any other situation, where a character gets absolutely hated on for doing something, and another character has done the same thing, but gets no hate?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 29, 2020 23:31:50 GMT -5
It's because ThunderClan thought they were following the will of StarClan. That's literally the only reason why fans cut them some slack, because they listened to Goosefeather. Cedarstar and Stonetooth attacked just because they could.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 23:33:33 GMT -5
It's because ThunderClan thought they were following the will of StarClan. That's literally the only reason why fans cut them some slack, because they listened to Goosefeather. Cedarstar and Stonetooth attacked just because they could. Oh, that makes sense...so, Cedarstar and Stonetooth had absolutely no motive for attacking WindClan?
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 29, 2020 23:40:39 GMT -5
It's because ThunderClan thought they were following the will of StarClan. That's literally the only reason why fans cut them some slack, because they listened to Goosefeather. Cedarstar and Stonetooth attacked just because they could. Oh, that makes sense...so, Cedarstar and Stonetooth had absolutely no motive for attacking WindClan? No. Or at least not that we see. Here's what happens towards the end of the first attack.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 29, 2020 23:49:53 GMT -5
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵For being the clan with the smallest cats, WindClan sure has a lot of cats who can just toss other cats like they're nothing. Unless Stonetooth is just a tiny cat. I still can't believe how much of a jerk Stonetooth was in Tallstar's Revenge, but how nice he was in Yellowfang's Secret. He also seemed nice in Crookedstar's Promise, I think he was one of the few cats, who didn't react negatively to Crookedstar being deputy so young or something.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Mar 1, 2020 0:13:27 GMT -5
Another thing, when ShadowClan attacked WindClan both times, two cats lost their lives while actually defending their home. A cat lost her life during ThunderClan's attack (Moonflower), but she was from the invading party. The second time was because Tigerclaw lied to Sunstar, who wanted to remind Heatherstar that ThunderClan knew how to defend its borders.
Even then, I'm pretty sure most people in the fandom don't actually approve of either of the attacks anyway.
Both Clans attacked WindClan twice, but that's really the only similarity between them. The circumstances behind them are completely different. As far as we know, ShadowClan had no reason to attack WindClan like they did and there's absolutely nothing to indicate that there was something else going on behind the scenes either.
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Post by halogen on Mar 1, 2020 11:42:13 GMT -5
For other incidences of two cats doing the exact same thing but one getting more criticized for it:
Swiftpaw is stupid for trying to rush being a warrior and endangering his own life, but Fallen Leaves is just tragic and didn't do anything wrong for the same thing (yes, it was sa tradition for them to go into the tunnels, but Fallen Leaves willingly ignored everyone else's warnings that it was going to rain because he wanted to get it over with). And it's true that Swiftpaw dragged someone else into it and Fallen Leaves didn't, but Swiftpaw was also legitimatelyy denied being a warrior for moons while Fallen Leaves was at the normal age to become a sharp claw.
Tallstar can run away and try to kill someone off of a blatantly improbable accusation of murder because he is blinded by grief, but still have his redemption accepted and be recognized as a wiser cat, Dawnpelt accuses someone of a blatantly improbable murder because she is blinded by grief (with horrible consequences for him, but without ever trying to kill him or running away from her Clan) and that's unforgivable even when she becomes aa lot wiser and more responsible later.
Shadowpaw, a young and naive medicine cat, is told by what seems to be StarClan that certain cats are breaking the code, including those that did nothing wrong but being half-Clan and that he should alert everyone, despite the implication they will be punished, with tragic consequences. He's just a poor tragic thing who didn't do anything wrong. Ravenwing, a young and naive medicine cats, is told by what seems to be StarClan that cats are breaking the code, including those that did nothing wrong except being half-Clan, and that he should alert everyone, despite the implication they will be punished, with tragic consequences. He is horrible and is to blame for everything.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2020 11:52:43 GMT -5
halogenI didn't even think about any of these! Like the connection between Tallstar and Dawnpelt, or Ravenwing and Shadowpaw. It makes me happy that not EVERYONE is like Ravenwing is such a terrible kit killing cat who should go to the Dark Forest!!! 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵That's true, maybe it could have happened during the time in Yellowfang's Secret, when ShadowClan believed WindClan was stealing prey from them or something. It still doesn't justify them attacking them though. Anyway, Stonetooth seemed like the worst guy in the attack anyway, not Cedarstar, wasn't Stonetooth the one who killed Brackenwing? But I suppose Cedarstar makes sense getting hate, since he is the leader.
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