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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 19, 2020 17:13:24 GMT -5
Let’s share our TBC conspiracy theories -
There’s no denying it. It’s trashfur.
But I’m pretty sure he isn’t working alone. I’m not ruling out the possibility of Mapleshade, seeing as they shove her into every possible novella, and if Ashfur is coming back, I don’t see why they won’t cram in another “fan favourite.” Maybe Hollyleaf will make a return too. I know he’s dead, but Hawkfrost would also make sense, he’s got beef with Bramblestar, and has worked with Ashfur before.
Also, what do you think has happened to Shadowsight? Seeing as he’s seemingly dead and Squirrelflight has taken residence in SC, I’m hoping she’ll get a POV.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 19, 2020 17:15:31 GMT -5
Gosh I really hope Mapleshade is double dead already.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 17:29:40 GMT -5
I def don't think he's working alone, or even that he's the ring leader. I think whoever is in charge, has a vendetta against the clans, and Ashfur only agreed to help, for the chance of getting revenge on Squirrelflight, or being close to her again, depending on how he truly felt after seeing her in StarClan again.
As for Shadowsight, I hope whatever happened to him, it all turns out okay in the end.
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Post by Fireleap on Feb 19, 2020 18:05:11 GMT -5
If he's working with someone I hope it's Sol.
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Post by Apricity on Feb 19, 2020 23:51:02 GMT -5
I theorize Ashfur's partner is Creek from the Sisters. Though now I'm as into it now that I read the preview for the next book. The cat that attacked Shadowsight didn't give any sign he knew Spiresight was there. But I'm also thinking maybe he's pretending he doesn't see him, because that would be a dead giveaway he was from the Sisters.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 20, 2020 0:01:04 GMT -5
The thing is...Mapleshade would have worked just fine with Ashfur as a plot, motive wise. But she was already fading in OotS, so I doubt she's even around anymore. Hollyleaf being a helper is weird...simply because it would go against her entire character, but at the same time....maybe? Cause I remember they said she couldn't give Bramblestar a life for "reasons", makes me wonder. I don't think the imposter is Sol, but the possibility he's working with him could be a thing, but I doubt it. Sol never had a strong connection with Star Clan or spiritual things in general, he's was pretty much an enabling cult leader that was against all that. So I don't see him with either role unless he's approached by FakeBramble, still, I doubt it. Personally I just hope Shadowsight is dead dead. Even if he's not, it's still quite interesting to see him get flung around like a ragdoll.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 20, 2020 3:41:02 GMT -5
The thing is...Mapleshade would have worked just fine with Ashfur as a plot, motive wise. But she was already fading in OotS, so I doubt she's even around anymore. Hollyleaf being a helper is weird...simply because it would go against her entire character, but at the same time....maybe? Cause I remember they said she couldn't give Bramblestar a life for "reasons", makes me wonder. I don't think the imposter is Sol, but the possibility he's working with him could be a thing, but I doubt it. Sol never had a strong connection with Star Clan or spiritual things in general, he's was pretty much an enabling cult leader that was against all that. So I don't see him with either role unless he's approached by FakeBramble, still, I doubt it. Personally I just hope Shadowsight is dead dead. Even if he's not, it's still quite interesting to see him get flung around like a ragdoll. Tbh, I doubt they’d kill off Mapleshade with an opportunity like this. I mean, she should’ve faded by now but the writers will probably jump at the chances of bringing her back. Hollyleaf would be very interesting, but it goes against her entire arc and character. And I’m hoping it’s not Sol, but it’s still a possibility. I’m also hoping Shadowsight is dead dead. Or even possessed. Not just because I found his pov really boring, but because something like this have never happened to a main protagonist not even halfway through the series. Also because I want Squirrelflight to have pov.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2020 7:50:57 GMT -5
The thing is...Mapleshade would have worked just fine with Ashfur as a plot, motive wise. But she was already fading in OotS, so I doubt she's even around anymore. Hollyleaf being a helper is weird...simply because it would go against her entire character, but at the same time....maybe? Cause I remember they said she couldn't give Bramblestar a life for "reasons", makes me wonder. I don't think the imposter is Sol, but the possibility he's working with him could be a thing, but I doubt it. Sol never had a strong connection with Star Clan or spiritual things in general, he's was pretty much an enabling cult leader that was against all that. So I don't see him with either role unless he's approached by FakeBramble, still, I doubt it. Personally I just hope Shadowsight is dead dead. Even if he's not, it's still quite interesting to see him get flung around like a ragdoll. About Mapleshade fading Don't cats fade when the living cats start forgetting them? I'm sure after Omen of the Stars, she isn't being forgotten now
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 20, 2020 10:05:10 GMT -5
The thing is...Mapleshade would have worked just fine with Ashfur as a plot, motive wise. But she was already fading in OotS, so I doubt she's even around anymore. Hollyleaf being a helper is weird...simply because it would go against her entire character, but at the same time....maybe? Cause I remember they said she couldn't give Bramblestar a life for "reasons", makes me wonder. I don't think the imposter is Sol, but the possibility he's working with him could be a thing, but I doubt it. Sol never had a strong connection with Star Clan or spiritual things in general, he's was pretty much an enabling cult leader that was against all that. So I don't see him with either role unless he's approached by FakeBramble, still, I doubt it. Personally I just hope Shadowsight is dead dead. Even if he's not, it's still quite interesting to see him get flung around like a ragdoll. Tbh, I doubt they’d kill off Mapleshade with an opportunity like this. I mean, she should’ve faded by now but the writers will probably jump at the chances of bringing her back. Hollyleaf would be very interesting, but it goes against her entire arc and character. And I’m hoping it’s not Sol, but it’s still a possibility. I’m also hoping Shadowsight is dead dead. Or even possessed. Not just because I found his pov really boring, but because something like this have never happened to a main protagonist not even halfway through the series. Also because I want Squirrelflight to have pov. Shadowstar and other founding leaders are older than her and still haven’t faded away. Besides, cats like Crowfeather still remember her if you read CT
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 20, 2020 17:12:48 GMT -5
Tbh, I doubt they’d kill off Mapleshade with an opportunity like this. I mean, she should’ve faded by now but the writers will probably jump at the chances of bringing her back. Hollyleaf would be very interesting, but it goes against her entire arc and character. And I’m hoping it’s not Sol, but it’s still a possibility. I’m also hoping Shadowsight is dead dead. Or even possessed. Not just because I found his pov really boring, but because something like this have never happened to a main protagonist not even halfway through the series. Also because I want Squirrelflight to have pov. Shadowstar and other founding leaders are older than her and still haven’t faded away. Besides, cats like Crowfeather still remember her if you read CT Oh yeah. If anyone is working with Ashfur, I’m thinking Mapleshade. Do you think Bramblestar’s coming back? I don’t think so. This arc is shaping up for Squirrelstar and possibly Bristlefrost as deputy, which would be great imo.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 20, 2020 17:36:50 GMT -5
Shadowstar and other founding leaders are older than her and still haven’t faded away. Besides, cats like Crowfeather still remember her if you read CT Oh yeah. If anyone is working with Ashfur, I’m thinking Mapleshade. Do you think Bramblestar’s coming back? I don’t think so. This arc is shaping up for Squirrelstar and possibly Bristlefrost as deputy, which would be great imo. Bramblestar is too major a character to be killed off like this. The blurbs for the first 4 books all talk about Bramblestar wanting to get back into his body, I doubt the end result/outcome of the arc will go against what the whole point of the arc is according to the blurbs.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Feb 21, 2020 1:08:04 GMT -5
Considering the circumstances, I don't think either Squirrel or Bramble will return to their positions.
They're both much too old, to the point it's noted several times, and Squirrel having difficulties with her own first biological litter. Bramblestar might not even have a body to return too, whoever is possessing him is keen on wrecking as much havoc as they can, and has nothing to lose, he could even take Bramble's body with him. And with the gates to StarClan pretty much gone right now, I doubt he'll get another life. The other thing is that, even if he returns to leadership, the clan won't trust him the same way ever again. They might even be suspicious of everything he does, he was possessed once he could be again.
Likewise, with Sqiurrelflight, she's already breached a level of trust she's had with her clan, twice, and still became and remained deputy before. Now another cat is in her position, I don't doubt that there will be a dispute over the position should she challenge for it. Personally I don't think Berrynose has any claim to the position at all tbh. If Squirrelstar was going to be a thing then it should have been one over Bramblestar from the start. Also, the way the premise is worded for the fourth book sounds like they're setting up Squirrelflight for her final battle against the imposter. This raises death flags for not only her, but also Bramblestar. It's hard to say if either will make it out of this situation alive or even unscathed, both of them are on the chopping block. Especially since they're starting to kill off gen two cats like they did Leafpool.
My guess is that Bristlefrost is being set up to become deputy, or even lead by the end of the series. I personally don't mind that, but I also think it's too soon. Who knows what direction the clan will go in at this rate, as long as it's not another two-parter arc wise, I don't mind. I think the best-case scenario is that Bramble and Squirrel finally get to retire together, the worst case is one of them dying, or both, and certain cats remaining in positions they shouldn't be in.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 21, 2020 1:12:44 GMT -5
Considering the circumstances, I don't think either Squirrel or Bramble will return to their positions. They're both much too old, to the point it's noted several times, and Squirrel having difficulties with her own first biological litter. Bramblestar might not even have a body to return too, whoever is possessing him is keen on wrecking as much havoc as they can, and has nothing to lose, he could even take Bramble's body with him. And with the gates to StarClan pretty much gone right now, I doubt he'll get another life. The other thing is that, even if he returns to leadership, the clan won't trust him the same way ever again. They might even be suspicious of everything he does, he was possessed once he could be again. Likewise, with Sqiurrelflight, she's already breached a level of trust she's had with her clan, twice, and still became and remained deputy before. Now another cat is in her position, I don't doubt that there will be a dispute over the position should she challenge for it. Personally I don't think Berrynose has any claim to the position at all tbh. If Squirrelstar was going to be a thing then it should have been one over Bramblestar from the start. Also, the way the premise is worded for the fourth book sounds like they're setting up Squirrelflight for her final battle against the imposter. This raises death flags for not only her, but also Bramblestar. It's hard to say if either will make it out of this situation alive or even unscathed, both of them are on the chopping block. Especially since they're starting to kill off gen two cats like they did Leafpool. My guess is that Bristlefrost is being set up to become deputy, or even lead by the end of the series. I personally don't mind that, but I also think it's too soon. Who knows what direction the clan will go in at this rate, as long as it's not another two-parter arc wise, I don't mind. I think the best-case scenario is that Bramble and Squirrel finally get to retire together, the worst case is one of them dying, or both, and certain cats remaining in positions they shouldn't be in. I feel like this is the case too, and not just because I want it.
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 21, 2020 4:08:10 GMT -5
Considering the circumstances, I don't think either Squirrel or Bramble will return to their positions. They're both much too old, to the point it's noted several times, and Squirrel having difficulties with her own first biological litter. Bramblestar might not even have a body to return too, whoever is possessing him is keen on wrecking as much havoc as they can, and has nothing to lose, he could even take Bramble's body with him. And with the gates to StarClan pretty much gone right now, I doubt he'll get another life. The other thing is that, even if he returns to leadership, the clan won't trust him the same way ever again. They might even be suspicious of everything he does, he was possessed once he could be again. Likewise, with Sqiurrelflight, she's already breached a level of trust she's had with her clan, twice, and still became and remained deputy before. Now another cat is in her position, I don't doubt that there will be a dispute over the position should she challenge for it. Personally I don't think Berrynose has any claim to the position at all tbh. If Squirrelstar was going to be a thing then it should have been one over Bramblestar from the start. Also, the way the premise is worded for the fourth book sounds like they're setting up Squirrelflight for her final battle against the imposter. This raises death flags for not only her, but also Bramblestar. It's hard to say if either will make it out of this situation alive or even unscathed, both of them are on the chopping block. Especially since they're starting to kill off gen two cats like they did Leafpool. My guess is that Bristlefrost is being set up to become deputy, or even lead by the end of the series. I personally don't mind that, but I also think it's too soon. Who knows what direction the clan will go in at this rate, as long as it's not another two-parter arc wise, I don't mind. I think the best-case scenario is that Bramble and Squirrel finally get to retire together, the worst case is one of them dying, or both, and certain cats remaining in positions they shouldn't be in. I mean, I wouldn’t mind Bramblestar dying, but Squirrelflight is pretty old and Bristlefrost is way to young imo. Hopefully, they’ll leave someone older and more experienced as leader, Ivystar maybe, with Bristlefrost as deputy. That would work pretty well. I’m also guessing we’ll have a power couple of Crowstar and Nightcloud as deputy, and Hawkstar, judging as they’ve both received a super edition. Other deputies that have gotten super editions are either already leader, (Tigerheartstar) or are really shaping up to be leader.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 21, 2020 9:24:18 GMT -5
Considering the circumstances, I don't think either Squirrel or Bramble will return to their positions. They're both much too old, to the point it's noted several times, and Squirrel having difficulties with her own first biological litter. Bramblestar might not even have a body to return too, whoever is possessing him is keen on wrecking as much havoc as they can, and has nothing to lose, he could even take Bramble's body with him. And with the gates to StarClan pretty much gone right now, I doubt he'll get another life. The other thing is that, even if he returns to leadership, the clan won't trust him the same way ever again. They might even be suspicious of everything he does, he was possessed once he could be again. Likewise, with Sqiurrelflight, she's already breached a level of trust she's had with her clan, twice, and still became and remained deputy before. Now another cat is in her position, I don't doubt that there will be a dispute over the position should she challenge for it. Personally I don't think Berrynose has any claim to the position at all tbh. If Squirrelstar was going to be a thing then it should have been one over Bramblestar from the start. Also, the way the premise is worded for the fourth book sounds like they're setting up Squirrelflight for her final battle against the imposter. This raises death flags for not only her, but also Bramblestar. It's hard to say if either will make it out of this situation alive or even unscathed, both of them are on the chopping block. Especially since they're starting to kill off gen two cats like they did Leafpool. My guess is that Bristlefrost is being set up to become deputy, or even lead by the end of the series. I personally don't mind that, but I also think it's too soon. Who knows what direction the clan will go in at this rate, as long as it's not another two-parter arc wise, I don't mind. I think the best-case scenario is that Bramble and Squirrel finally get to retire together, the worst case is one of them dying, or both, and certain cats remaining in positions they shouldn't be in. I mean, I wouldn’t mind Bramblestar dying, but Squirrelflight is pretty old and Bristlefrost is way to young imo. Hopefully, they’ll leave someone older and more experienced as leader, Ivystar maybe, with Bristlefrost as deputy. That would work pretty well. I’m also guessing we’ll have a power couple of Crowstar and Nightcloud as deputy, and Hawkstar, judging as they’ve both received a super edition. Other deputies that have gotten super editions are either already leader, (Tigerheartstar) or are really shaping up to be leader. Harestar is a relatively new leader. I doubt they’d kill him off just for a Crowstar. Just bcuz he got a super doesn’t mean he’ll move on to be leader
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 21, 2020 12:37:28 GMT -5
I mean, I wouldn’t mind Bramblestar dying, but Squirrelflight is pretty old and Bristlefrost is way to young imo. Hopefully, they’ll leave someone older and more experienced as leader, Ivystar maybe, with Bristlefrost as deputy. That would work pretty well. I’m also guessing we’ll have a power couple of Crowstar and Nightcloud as deputy, and Hawkstar, judging as they’ve both received a super edition. Other deputies that have gotten super editions are either already leader, (Tigerheartstar) or are really shaping up to be leader. Harestar is a relatively new leader. I doubt they’d kill him off just for a Crowstar. Just bcuz he got a super doesn’t mean he’ll move on to be leader Yeah, I guess. I just feel like TBC 3 or 4 will be a mass murder war with a lot of death. As much as I like Harestar, I doubt he’ll last long.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 21, 2020 13:16:03 GMT -5
Harestar is a relatively new leader. I doubt they’d kill him off just for a Crowstar. Just bcuz he got a super doesn’t mean he’ll move on to be leader Yeah, I guess. I just feel like TBC 3 or 4 will be a mass murder war with a lot of death. As much as I like Harestar, I doubt he’ll last long. You must realize that he has been given 9 lives, and even though we don't know how many lives he actually has left, his status makes it unlikely we will see him perish in a battle
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 21, 2020 15:36:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I guess. I just feel like TBC 3 or 4 will be a mass murder war with a lot of death. As much as I like Harestar, I doubt he’ll last long. You must realize that he has been given 9 lives, and even though we don't know how many lives he actually has left, his status makes it unlikely we will see him perish in a battle No, I realise that. But in Midnight, Deadfoot believed that Crowfeather would become Crowstar, claiming that one day he'd make a good leader of Windclan. He's received a super edition, a major role in multiple arcs, and considering there's an upcoming war, I'm not completely ruling out the possibility of him becoming leader - As much as I'd prefer Harestar. Tigerclawstar was killed once by Scourge, despite having recieved his nine lives. It's just an assumption, but since all of the latest Super Editions, Hawkwings Journey, Squirrelflight's Hope, Crowfeathers Trial and Tigerheart's Shadow (Of course Riverclan are forgotten, again,) are all centered on deputies that are seemingly shaping up to become leader, (Tigerheartstar is already leader), I'm guessing Leafstar and Harestar will be killed during TBC. I'm probably wrong, but it's a guess. I just feel like it's a possibility.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 21, 2020 15:43:26 GMT -5
You must realize that he has been given 9 lives, and even though we don't know how many lives he actually has left, his status makes it unlikely we will see him perish in a battle No, I realise that. But in Midnight, Deadfoot believed that Crowfeather would become Crowstar, claiming that one day he'd make a good leader of Windclan. He's received a super edition, a major role in multiple arcs, and considering there's an upcoming war, I'm not completely ruling out the possibility of him becoming leader - As much as I'd prefer Harestar. Tigerclawstar was killed once by Scourge, despite having recieved his nine lives. It's just an assumption, but since all of the latest Super Editions, Hawkwings Journey, Squirrelflight's Hope, Crowfeathers Trial and Tigerheart's Shadow (Of course Riverclan are forgotten, again,) are all centered on deputies that are seemingly shaping up to become leader, (Tigerheartstar is already leader), I'm guessing Leafstar and Harestar will be killed during TBC. I'm probably wrong, but it's a guess. I just feel like it's a possibility. Oooh I really hope Leaffstar is killed in this. I doubt Mistystar will die in this, prob later this arc, when the RC SE comes out nxt year (it better)
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 21, 2020 16:02:33 GMT -5
No, I realise that. But in Midnight, Deadfoot believed that Crowfeather would become Crowstar, claiming that one day he'd make a good leader of Windclan. He's received a super edition, a major role in multiple arcs, and considering there's an upcoming war, I'm not completely ruling out the possibility of him becoming leader - As much as I'd prefer Harestar. Tigerclawstar was killed once by Scourge, despite having recieved his nine lives. It's just an assumption, but since all of the latest Super Editions, Hawkwings Journey, Squirrelflight's Hope, Crowfeathers Trial and Tigerheart's Shadow (Of course Riverclan are forgotten, again,) are all centered on deputies that are seemingly shaping up to become leader, (Tigerheartstar is already leader), I'm guessing Leafstar and Harestar will be killed during TBC. I'm probably wrong, but it's a guess. I just feel like it's a possibility. Oooh I really hope Leaffstar is killed in this. I doubt Mistystar will die in this, prob later this arc, when the RC SE comes out nxt year (it better) I really want a RC SE too. At least we're getting Mothwings Secret later this year. Let's be honest, Mistystar will probably die off screen, because the authors have forgotten Riverclan.
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