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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 12:36:10 GMT -5
It was common knowledge among the Clans that Goosefeather was a fool- he even agreed to the term on multiple occasions. Yet it never sat well with me when the Clan doubted his word or when Hawkheart said they risked all of that on his interpretations. I dont know- was he really unreliable or were the other cats just being dramatic? Like for instance, Swiftbreeze attacking him for sending his littermate to her death seemed very unruly to me but did she have a point? Because while he was mentally off he was right in many of the things he implied or said.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 14:13:35 GMT -5
That confuses me too, because isn't Goosefeather's interpretations always supposed to be right? It makes me wonder, if that sign to attack WindClan even came from StarClan at all.
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 15:10:42 GMT -5
That confuses me too, because isn't Goosefeather's interpretations always supposed to be right? It makes me wonder, if that sign to attack WindClan even came from StarClan at all. Right? Like he can literally see the fates of cats and their background stories- so why were they so hellbent in saying his words dont matter?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 15:23:12 GMT -5
That confuses me too, because isn't Goosefeather's interpretations always supposed to be right? It makes me wonder, if that sign to attack WindClan even came from StarClan at all. Right? Like he can literally see the fates of cats and their background stories- so why were they so hellbent in saying his words dont matter? It really annoyed me how everyone treated him, in Goosefeather's Curse AND in Bluestar's Prophecy. What if the sign was caused by Mapleshade? She's caused omens before, like with Crookedstar and the squirrel, and she was targeting Goosefeather when he was a kit. Not sure what her motive would be, but it makes more sense than Goosefeather getting an omen wrong, or StarClan sending it
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 15:51:01 GMT -5
Right? Like he can literally see the fates of cats and their background stories- so why were they so hellbent in saying his words dont matter? It really annoyed me how everyone treated him, in Goosefeather's Curse AND in Bluestar's Prophecy. What if the sign was caused by Mapleshade? She's caused omens before, like with Crookedstar and the squirrel, and she was targeting Goosefeather when he was a kit. Not sure what her motive would be, but it makes more sense than Goosefeather getting an omen wrong, or StarClan sending it Right? They really treated him so bad and i hoped once they all went to starclan they'd understand but starclan has shown that its not much better than the clans sometimes
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 15:58:41 GMT -5
It really annoyed me how everyone treated him, in Goosefeather's Curse AND in Bluestar's Prophecy. What if the sign was caused by Mapleshade? She's caused omens before, like with Crookedstar and the squirrel, and she was targeting Goosefeather when he was a kit. Not sure what her motive would be, but it makes more sense than Goosefeather getting an omen wrong, or StarClan sending it Right? They really treated him so bad and i hoped once they all went to starclan they'd understand but starclan has shown that its not much better than the clans sometimes I know...I especially hated how his own littermate treated him. I gave 0/10 cares when she died.
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 16:12:49 GMT -5
Right? They really treated him so bad and i hoped once they all went to starclan they'd understand but starclan has shown that its not much better than the clans sometimes I know...I especially hated how his own littermate treated him. I gave 0/10 cares when she died. I cried when she died cause i felt so bad for her kits like to watch you mother be murdered and the circumstances it was real sad. But yeah beside that she wasnt my favorite cat.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:17:39 GMT -5
I know...I especially hated how his own littermate treated him. I gave 0/10 cares when she died. I cried when she died cause i felt so bad for her kits like to watch you mother be murdered and the circumstances it was real sad. But yeah beside that she wasnt my favorite cat. Yeah, I felt really bad for her kits too. I also felt bad for Hawkheart, he was just defending his herb stocks, but now he has to live with the knowledge, that he accidentally killed a cat, and in front of her kits at that. However, I don't feel nearly as bad for Hawkheart, as I do for Bluekit and Snowkit
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 16:40:47 GMT -5
I cried when she died cause i felt so bad for her kits like to watch you mother be murdered and the circumstances it was real sad. But yeah beside that she wasnt my favorite cat. Yeah, I felt really bad for her kits too. I also felt bad for Hawkheart, he was just defending his herb stocks, but now he has to live with the knowledge, that he accidentally killed a cat, and in front of her kits at that. However, I don't feel nearly as bad for Hawkheart, as I do for Bluekit and Snowkit I mean he showed no remorse for his actions even after the battle
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:45:18 GMT -5
Yeah, I felt really bad for her kits too. I also felt bad for Hawkheart, he was just defending his herb stocks, but now he has to live with the knowledge, that he accidentally killed a cat, and in front of her kits at that. However, I don't feel nearly as bad for Hawkheart, as I do for Bluekit and Snowkit I mean he showed no remorse for his actions even after the battle That doesn't mean they weren't there though Hawkheart isn't completely heartless But maybe he didn't feel remorse, and just saw as it another unfortunate death caused by battle or something
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Feb 19, 2020 16:48:22 GMT -5
Yeah, I felt really bad for her kits too. I also felt bad for Hawkheart, he was just defending his herb stocks, but now he has to live with the knowledge, that he accidentally killed a cat, and in front of her kits at that. However, I don't feel nearly as bad for Hawkheart, as I do for Bluekit and Snowkit I mean he showed no remorse for his actions even after the battle I can understand that he was defending the medicine supplies. TC launches an unjustifiable attack for no valid reason, and without the herbs, many cats would’ve died. But after he kills Moonflower, he sneers at Bluepaw, who is hardly an apprentice, which he clearly acknowledges because he starts taunting her about how she’s still young enough to be a kit. With her dead mother still lying on the floor. It just seems a little... Cruel to me.
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 16:52:15 GMT -5
I mean he showed no remorse for his actions even after the battle That doesn't mean they weren't there though Hawkheart isn't completely heartless But maybe he didn't feel remorse, and just saw as it another unfortunate death caused by battle or something In my eyes he simly didnt care so i dont think there is anything to feel bad about. I mean you kill a kit's mother right in front of them and then antagonize them later... just ugh
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 16:54:56 GMT -5
That doesn't mean they weren't there though Hawkheart isn't completely heartless But maybe he didn't feel remorse, and just saw as it another unfortunate death caused by battle or something In my eyes he simly didnt care so i dont think there is anything to feel bad about. I mean you kill a kit's mother right in front of them and then antagonize them later... just ugh Yeah, that wasn't his best moment..but did he know that she was her mother? I'm not excusing him taunting her or anything, but if he knew, then he might have reacted differently towards her. But who knows?
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 19, 2020 18:21:10 GMT -5
It's not that there were things wrong with his interpretations It's that Starclan literally gave him prophecies and visions of things in the future, and he had no way to differentiate
Some believe his thing about Windclan was actually about Onestar's attack in the future. They essentially overloaded this poor medicine cat
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 19:13:15 GMT -5
In my eyes he simly didnt care so i dont think there is anything to feel bad about. I mean you kill a kit's mother right in front of them and then antagonize them later... just ugh Yeah, that wasn't his best moment..but did he know that she was her mother? I'm not excusing him taunting her or anything, but if he knew, then he might have reacted differently towards her. But who knows? I feel that whether he knw or not thats not how you act to cat- no a kit- who watched their Clanmate die on their second day outside the nursery and never knew what death was before that. Not to sound dramatic lmaoo
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 19, 2020 19:17:37 GMT -5
Yeah, that wasn't his best moment..but did he know that she was her mother? I'm not excusing him taunting her or anything, but if he knew, then he might have reacted differently towards her. But who knows? I feel that whether he knw or not thats not how you act to cat- no a kit- who watched their Clanmate die on their second day outside the nursery and never knew what death was before that. Not to sound dramatic lmaoo He's definitely not innocent and shouldn't have antagonized Bluestar, but I don't completely blame him for not being remorseful? She did try to destroy the entire medicine supply of the clan
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:17:55 GMT -5
Yeah, that wasn't his best moment..but did he know that she was her mother? I'm not excusing him taunting her or anything, but if he knew, then he might have reacted differently towards her. But who knows? I feel that whether he knw or not thats not how you act to cat- no a kit- who watched their Clanmate die on their second day outside the nursery and never knew what death was before that. Not to sound dramatic lmaoo That's true, I still like Hawkheart as a cat though, despite that, anyway, back to Goosefeather, did you notice, that it was after the death of Moonflower, that he stopped doing his duties as much? The poor thing was probably grieving, it couldn't have helped that a lot of his clanmates were blaming him for her death
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 19:24:58 GMT -5
I feel that whether he knw or not thats not how you act to cat- no a kit- who watched their Clanmate die on their second day outside the nursery and never knew what death was before that. Not to sound dramatic lmaoo That's true, I still like Hawkheart as a cat though, despite that, anyway, back to Goosefeather, did you notice, that it was after the death of Moonflower, that he stopped doing his duties as much? The poor thing was probably grieving, it couldn't have helped that a lot of his clanmates were blaming him for her death He was traumatized that he lead his sister to her death I bet he was having the hardest time and yeah his Clanmates seemed to forget that when they were talking smack on him.
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 19:25:48 GMT -5
I feel that whether he knw or not thats not how you act to cat- no a kit- who watched their Clanmate die on their second day outside the nursery and never knew what death was before that. Not to sound dramatic lmaoo He's definitely not innocent and shouldn't have antagonized Bluestar, but I don't completely blame him for not being remorseful? She did try to destroy the entire medicine supply of the clan Killing her though? Like she tried to run away from him i yet he still attacked.
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Post by *Ottersplash* on Feb 19, 2020 19:35:57 GMT -5
He's definitely not innocent and shouldn't have antagonized Bluestar, but I don't completely blame him for not being remorseful? She did try to destroy the entire medicine supply of the clan Killing her though? Like she tried to run away from him i yet he still attacked. I mean, if she'd succeeded, what could that have done to Windclan? I get his anger.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:36:46 GMT -5
That's true, I still like Hawkheart as a cat though, despite that, anyway, back to Goosefeather, did you notice, that it was after the death of Moonflower, that he stopped doing his duties as much? The poor thing was probably grieving, it couldn't have helped that a lot of his clanmates were blaming him for her death He was traumatized that he lead his sister to her death I bet he was having the hardest time and yeah his Clanmates seemed to forget that when they were talking smack on him. Right? Not to mention, he's been their medicine cat since he was seven moons old, four moons old if you count his apprenticeship. He deserved better
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 19:44:58 GMT -5
He was traumatized that he lead his sister to her death I bet he was having the hardest time and yeah his Clanmates seemed to forget that when they were talking smack on him. Right? Not to mention, he's been their medicine cat since he was seven moons old, four moons old if you count his apprenticeship. He deserved better Fr, literally birthed half them and their kits. The lack of respect disgusted me tbh
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 19:46:21 GMT -5
Killing her though? Like she tried to run away from him i yet he still attacked. I mean, if she'd succeeded, what could that have done to Windclan? I get his anger. The other Clans were willing to help if he succeded. And once again, she literally ran away from him but he pursued. Angry or not medicine cats arent even supposed to attack, let alone kill. I just found it horrid.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 19:51:01 GMT -5
Right? Not to mention, he's been their medicine cat since he was seven moons old, four moons old if you count his apprenticeship. He deserved better Fr, literally birthed half them and their kits. The lack of respect disgusted me tbh Same! I got so angry reading Bluestar's Prophecy because of that. One thing I don't understand, is why Mumblefoot hates Goosefeather so much, in Goosefeather's Curse, Mumblefoot was one of the only few cats who was nice to him
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Post by cowbird on Feb 19, 2020 19:58:09 GMT -5
Fr, literally birthed half them and their kits. The lack of respect disgusted me tbh Same! I got so angry reading Bluestar's Prophecy because of that. One thing I don't understand, is why Mumblefoot hates Goosefeather so much, in Goosefeather's Curse, Mumblefoot was one of the only few cats who was nice to him Mumblefoot switched up ig. Imagine how awkward it was when Goosefeather finally retired.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2020 20:01:49 GMT -5
Same! I got so angry reading Bluestar's Prophecy because of that. One thing I don't understand, is why Mumblefoot hates Goosefeather so much, in Goosefeather's Curse, Mumblefoot was one of the only few cats who was nice to him Mumblefoot switched up ig. Imagine how awkward it was when Goosefeather finally retired. That must have been awkward, unless Mumblefoot died before that, I don't remember
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Post by cowbird on Feb 20, 2020 5:20:45 GMT -5
Mumblefoot switched up ig. Imagine how awkward it was when Goosefeather finally retired. That must have been awkward, unless Mumblefoot died before that, I don't remember I think he did looking back cause he became and elder around the time Whitestorm became a warrior i think and Weedwhisker and Mumblefoot were both dead by then and Fuzzypelt and Poppydawn had retired by then.
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