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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:18:11 GMT -5
So, I've seen some Warriors facts, and some of them seem super unbelievable.
Like...the one where Tallstar was in love with Reena.
Didn't he spend a good portion of the book disliking her? Also, he never showed any romantic feelings towards her, and whenever she'd ask him to hang out, or go on a walk, or something, he completely blew her off. There could be something between them, but it's def one-sided, and that side is Reena's.
Anyway, which ones have you seen, that you don't think are true at all?
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2020 11:27:40 GMT -5
Ashfur being Dovewing and Ivypool's father. I really can't stand that one. Also, the one about Honeyfern supposedly being pregnant when she died even though she and Berrynose had just become mates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:32:07 GMT -5
Ashfur being Dovewing and Ivypool's father. I really can't stand that one. Also, the one about Honeyfern supposedly being pregnant when she died even though she and Berrynose had just become mates. Speaking of Ashfur, I just read one where Squirrelflight was apparently going to have his kits, but they didn't make it 0_o I don't like either of the ones you mentioned, Whitewing and Birchfall are honestly one of the cutest background couples, and I think Ashfur was too obsessed with Squirrelflight to even think about taking another mate. The one about Honeyfern and Berrynose is just really sad.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 11:33:09 GMT -5
god my favourite shitty "fact" is the one where sweetpaw was buried alive bc she wasnt dead Yeah...didn't she get 10000% confirmed dead by several cats in ThunderClan, including Featherwhisker?
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Post by Fireleap on Feb 13, 2020 12:57:54 GMT -5
The one where Bluestar chased Thistleclaw out of StarClan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 13:07:57 GMT -5
The one where Bluestar chased Thistleclaw out of StarClan. True, even if she was powerful enough to do that, I doubt she'd want to ruin Snowfur's happiness, despite how much she hates Thistleclaw, and him being with her sister
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Post by alphayamergo on Feb 13, 2020 13:41:15 GMT -5
It briefly went around that Sandstorm forced Leafpool into becoming a medicine cat, which makes exactly no sense because a) Leafpool loves being a medicine cat, and there is no indication she ever wanted to be anything other than a medicine cat and what, in the 24+ books that featured Sandstorm, ever gave people the impression she would be the kind of mother to force her daughter down a path she didn't want to follow?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 13:48:36 GMT -5
It briefly went around that Sandstorm forced Leafpool into becoming a medicine cat, which makes exactly no sense because a) Leafpool loves being a medicine cat, and there is no indication she ever wanted to be anything other than a medicine cat and what, in the 24+ books that featured Sandstorm, ever gave people the impression she would be the kind of mother to force her daughter down a path she didn't want to follow? Yeah, that really makes no sense I wonder where people come up with this stuff?
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Feb 13, 2020 14:41:40 GMT -5
It briefly went around that Sandstorm forced Leafpool into becoming a medicine cat, which makes exactly no sense because a) Leafpool loves being a medicine cat, and there is no indication she ever wanted to be anything other than a medicine cat and what, in the 24+ books that featured Sandstorm, ever gave people the impression she would be the kind of mother to force her daughter down a path she didn't want to follow? Yeah, that really makes no sense I wonder where people come up with this stuff? A while back there was a Tumblr account called 'Warrior Cats Headcanons' that had some of these 'facts' on there. Some children on YouTube and Instagram who didn't know what headcanons were mistook headcanons from that and similar pages for facts and spread them across the internet until they became commonplace.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 14:45:22 GMT -5
Yeah, that really makes no sense I wonder where people come up with this stuff? A while back there was a Tumblr account called 'Warrior Cats Headcanons' that had some of these 'facts' on there. Some children on YouTube and Instagram who didn't know what headcanons were mistook headcanons from that and similar pages for facts and spread them across the internet until they became commonplace. That makes a lot of sense A lot of them aren't too bad or far fetched, but there are others out there that are just awful
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 14:58:11 GMT -5
Not being sarcastic, the most unbelievable fact I came across is that Cinderpelt was in love with Firestar. I'm rereading it and looking for signs, but I really don't see it, lol, all their interactions seem completely platonic. Still, I guess the fact just shows how strong Cinderpelt is as a character.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 15:00:05 GMT -5
Not being sarcastic, the most unbelievable fact I came across is that Cinderpelt was in love with Firestar. I'm rereading it and looking for signs, but I really don't see it, lol, all their interactions seem completely platonic. Still, I guess the fact just shows how strong Cinderpelt is as a character. I'm glad I'm not the only one who didn't see it lol, but according to some people, it's obvious. Then again, I thought Firestar and Spottedleaf was only one sided, from Firestar's side..so what do I know?
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Feb 13, 2020 15:07:34 GMT -5
Not being sarcastic, the most unbelievable fact I came across is that Cinderpelt was in love with Firestar. I'm rereading it and looking for signs, but I really don't see it, lol, all their interactions seem completely platonic. Still, I guess the fact just shows how strong Cinderpelt is as a character. It was implied in Twilight. When Cinderpelt and Leafpool are arguing over Crowfeather, Leafpool says something to the effect of "You don't know how I feel; You've never been in love", causing Cinderpelt to snap with "How do you know how I feel?", "How do you know what I've had to give up?", etc. In addition, one of the Erins said that she was in love with Firestar. It was also stated in the Warriors App. While neither of these sorces are very reliable, this fact, at least, is not completely baseless.
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Post by Card against Humanity on Feb 13, 2020 15:20:04 GMT -5
i think she was "in love" with him in the sense that a 12 year old can be "in love" with their teacher (ie: basically just a crush) but idk why people act like it was some serious thing either, and that includes the erins
but i also can't see firespotted as being anything more than a one-sided crush so idk
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 15:26:32 GMT -5
i think she was "in love" with him in the sense that a 12 year old can be "in love" with their teacher (ie: basically just a crush) but idk why people act like it was some serious thing either, and that includes the erins but i also can't see firespotted as being anything more than a one-sided crush so idk Same on both things
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Post by Sundance on Feb 13, 2020 15:26:55 GMT -5
Not being sarcastic, the most unbelievable fact I came across is that Cinderpelt was in love with Firestar. I'm rereading it and looking for signs, but I really don't see it, lol, all their interactions seem completely platonic. Still, I guess the fact just shows how strong Cinderpelt is as a character. I know right?? I never saw it when I read the series. Found out years later that it’s apparently a thing and it blew my mind. (Now, I choose to ignore it as canon. :-P )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2020 15:31:43 GMT -5
Cinderpelt x Firestar could be fine if..
1. He wasn't mates with Sandstorm
2. She wasn't a medicine cat.
My only problem with it would be, the fact that they're mentor/apprentice...I know that mentors and apprentices have become mates before, Onestar and Whitetail, Sparpclaw and Cherrytail, but I still find it weird, even if Cinderpelt and Firestar are only about 5 moons apart
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Feb 13, 2020 17:01:48 GMT -5
Not being sarcastic, the most unbelievable fact I came across is that Cinderpelt was in love with Firestar. I'm rereading it and looking for signs, but I really don't see it, lol, all their interactions seem completely platonic. Still, I guess the fact just shows how strong Cinderpelt is as a character. It was implied in Twilight. When Cinderpelt and Leafpool are arguing over Crowfeather, Leafpool says something to the effect of "You don't know how I feel; You've never been in love", causing Cinderpelt to snap with "How do you know how I feel?", "How do you know what I've had to give up?", etc. In addition, one of the Erins said that she was in love with Firestar. It was also stated in the Warriors App. While neither of these sorces are very reliable, this fact, at least, is not completely baseless. Adding onto this, Cinderpelt also acts annoyed that Fireheart seems to be paying more attention to Sandstorm in ADP, which wouldn't be that big of a deal since Fireheart does either ignore her or dismiss her worries a few times in this book in favor of Sandstorm, but then there's an entire scene in the same book where he senses tension between the two cats. Later on in TFW, Cinderheart talks about how Cinderpelt had been in love with a cat she couldn't have and that cat is indeed confirmed to be Firestar at the end of RoF when she visits Alderheart. I think it's also implied a few times that Sandstorm knew.
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Post by halogen on Feb 13, 2020 18:02:21 GMT -5
The fact that StarClan knew what would happen to SlyClan/all the Clans in the distant future in SL. Still refuse to believe it’s canon. It isn’t And I still refuse to accept that Squirrelflight only agreed to take Leafpool's kits because StarClan cats pressured/forced her into it. It just ruins the whole strength and tragedy of her character, making a decision out of love that alienated her from everyone she loved instead, so it kind of retroactively ruins half the plot of TPOT.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Feb 13, 2020 19:08:13 GMT -5
The fact that StarClan knew what would happen to SlyClan/all the Clans in the distant future in SL. Still refuse to believe it’s canon. It isn’t And I still refuse to accept that Squirrelflight only agreed to take Leafpool's kits because StarClan cats pressured/forced her into it. It just ruins the whole strength and tragedy of her character, making a decision out of love that alienated her from everyone she loved instead, so it kind of retroactively ruins half the plot of TPOT. I'm actually kind of torn on this one. The thing is, ratting Leafpool out is a much better decision than agreeing to keep the secret and lying to her mate and adopted kits. Leafpool would suffer some short-term consequences such as a blow to her reputation and some pointed looks, but I doubt she'd lose her job as ThunderClan's only medicine cat. Her kits will also suffer a lot less as a result of not being lied to their entire life and Leafpool could actually be a part of their lives. This is much better than what happened as Leafpool lost her job and didn't get to spend meaningful time with her kits, said kits had to deal with their whole life being a lie, and Brambleclaw had to learn that his kits aren't really his. So basically, for me it comes down to this: either Squirrelflight has no agency or she is an idiot for not opening her mouth. I'm not sure which is worse for her character.
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Post by halogen on Feb 13, 2020 19:28:15 GMT -5
And I still refuse to accept that Squirrelflight only agreed to take Leafpool's kits because StarClan cats pressured/forced her into it. It just ruins the whole strength and tragedy of her character, making a decision out of love that alienated her from everyone she loved instead, so it kind of retroactively ruins half the plot of TPOT. I'm actually kind of torn on this one. The thing is, ratting Leafpool out is a much better decision than agreeing to keep the secret and lying to her mate and adopted kits. Leafpool would suffer some short-term consequences such as a blow to her reputation and some pointed looks, but I doubt she'd lose her job as ThunderClan's only medicine cat. Her kits will also suffer a lot less as a result of not being lied to their entire life and Leafpool could actually be a part of their lives. This is much better than what happened as Leafpool lost her job and didn't get to spend meaningful time with her kits, said kits had to deal with their whole life being a lie, and Brambleclaw had to learn that his kits aren't really his. So basically, for me it comes down to this: either Squirrelflight has no agency or she is an idiot for not opening her mouth. I'm not sure which is worse for her character. But I kind of want her to be an idiot, she seems like exactly the character who would make a decision that would cause so much harm but out of the best intentions like that. The story is supposed to be a tragedy where the characters suffer for their flaws and choices, and having StarClan just pulling the strings and Squirrelflight being just a victim of fate ruins the point. So yes, her being an idiot, in an in-character, inevitable kind of way the way tragic characters destroyed by their own nature are, is exactly what I want.
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Post by Uмвяᴀ on Feb 13, 2020 19:39:32 GMT -5
I'm actually kind of torn on this one. The thing is, ratting Leafpool out is a much better decision than agreeing to keep the secret and lying to her mate and adopted kits. Leafpool would suffer some short-term consequences such as a blow to her reputation and some pointed looks, but I doubt she'd lose her job as ThunderClan's only medicine cat. Her kits will also suffer a lot less as a result of not being lied to their entire life and Leafpool could actually be a part of their lives. This is much better than what happened as Leafpool lost her job and didn't get to spend meaningful time with her kits, said kits had to deal with their whole life being a lie, and Brambleclaw had to learn that his kits aren't really his. So basically, for me it comes down to this: either Squirrelflight has no agency or she is an idiot for not opening her mouth. I'm not sure which is worse for her character. But I kind of want her to be an idiot, she seems like exactly the character who would make a decision that would cause so much harm but out of the best intentions like that. The story is supposed to be a tragedy where the characters suffer for their flaws and choices, and having StarClan just pulling the strings and Squirrelflight being just a victim of fate ruins the point. So yes, her being an idiot, in an in-character, inevitable kind of way the way tragic characters destroyed by their own nature are, is exactly what I want. Ah, I get that. Honestly, this whole plot was doomed from the start because it can be solved so easily by Leafpool telling the truth. To me, it would be less tragic and more frustrating to see Squirrelflight shoot herself, Leafpool's kits, and her mate in the foot due to something that can be so easily avoided.
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*Ravenpaw*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 13, 2020 23:20:57 GMT -5
I've seen quite a few that were mentioned already, such as the Sweetpaw one and Bluestar chasing Thistleclaw out of StarClan.
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Post by platinum blond death on Feb 13, 2020 23:43:12 GMT -5
Idk much about cat genetics, but I find it hard to believe that ThunderClan did not suspect something was up when a ginger she-cat and a dark brown tom gave birth to a gray tom. Neither of them have gray in their family as far as I can tell. How did they think Jayfeather was Squirrelflight and Bramblestar's?
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Post by halogen on Feb 13, 2020 23:49:19 GMT -5
But I kind of want her to be an idiot, she seems like exactly the character who would make a decision that would cause so much harm but out of the best intentions like that. The story is supposed to be a tragedy where the characters suffer for their flaws and choices, and having StarClan just pulling the strings and Squirrelflight being just a victim of fate ruins the point. So yes, her being an idiot, in an in-character, inevitable kind of way the way tragic characters destroyed by their own nature are, is exactly what I want. Ah, I get that. Honestly, this whole plot was doomed from the start because it can be solved so easily by Leafpool telling the truth. To me, it would be less tragic and more frustrating to see Squirrelflight shoot herself, Leafpool's kits, and her mate in the foot due to something that can be so easily avoided. Yeah, I feel like the whole thing is ruined by Firestar just being such an accepting leader, I feel like the whole TPOT plot would have worked so much better if it was set in a Clan that wasn't was consistently moral. That goes both for the family drama/tragedy side of the plot (the whole thing would have made more sense if having kits would have had a severe penalty for Leafpool either way) and for the prophecy side - the three are supposed to have scary powers that usurp StarClan, which they could use for evil as easily as for good, but they don't really have power, Firestar does, and Firestar doesn't do anything wrong so there are no stakes. And when they do want conflict, they have to force it by making one of the Clans jerks for no reason.
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Feb 14, 2020 3:24:13 GMT -5
Wasn't there one 'fact' where certain cats that didn't do anything wrong went to the Dark Forest because of Tui Sutherland mentioning it? I think two of the cats were Brightflower and Flailfoot, but it was never confirmed.
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Apricity
Bravelands is too slept on.
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Post by Apricity on Feb 14, 2020 5:05:49 GMT -5
Hollyleaf was pregnant with Fallen Leaves' kits before she died.
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