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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 4, 2020 20:56:24 GMT -5
It has all of what we already have, then Chapter 2 (or part of it, I think).
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Post by icefurs on Feb 4, 2020 21:02:16 GMT -5
Truly the worst time to be an android user
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 21:06:07 GMT -5
Someone send screenshots
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Post by cqd on Feb 4, 2020 21:23:06 GMT -5
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 4, 2020 21:49:21 GMT -5
Oh wow. That’s a bit chilling o.o
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 4, 2020 22:08:18 GMT -5
Wow... I'm scared. This confirms it. Fake Bramble is the murderer, not that there ever was any doubt. Also, Shadowsight didn't flee the Clans. You threw his body in the ravine. There is a huge chance someone is going to find him. Also, I hope Berrynose doesn't know of the murder. Hopefully they just ran into each other in the Clan and Berrynose wasn't there with fake Bramble. If he was...
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 4, 2020 22:12:28 GMT -5
Uh... I just thought of something disturbing. What if Berrynose was the mysterious cat screeching and bleeding at the end of TST to get Shadowsight separated from everyone else? Then he would have just fled. Berrynose was never my favourite cat, but... if he helped with the murder...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:13:06 GMT -5
Holy cow Okay, so it's pretty obvious that the imposter is the one who killed Shadowsight, and to make matters worse, Berrynose was possibly with him.
Like, I could forgive him for being a jerk before, because of his loyalty to ThunderClan and Bramblestar, and it not being out of character for him.
However, if he broke the code by killing a cat in cold blood, a medicine cat at that, there's no forgiving that, or looking past it.
Berrynose will forever be ruined as a character for me if he had something to do with this.
These books sure are good at ruining decent characters.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 4, 2020 22:17:41 GMT -5
Wow... I'm scared. This confirms it. Fake Bramble is the murderer, not that there ever was any doubt. Also, Shadowsight didn't flee the Clans. You threw his body in the ravine. There is a huge chance someone is going to find him. Also, I hope Berrynose doesn't know of the murder. Hopefully they just ran into each other in the Clan and Berrynose wasn't there with fake Bramble. If he was... I agree. Personally, I kind of think that Berrynose did not help him, but knowing these books, they'll randomly make Berrynose a murderer and pretty darn out of character. Arrogant little jerk I can understand, being super dedicated to his mentor, I can understand. But a murderer, or an accomplice? That's not something I can see him doing and staying in character. I do hope he just ran into him as he returned to camp and made an excuse.
I mean, I'll be fine either way, I'll get used to evil Berrynose if that happens, but I'd prefer just dumbly loyal Berrynose who did not help murder a cat ahah.
Quick question, what territory was Shadowsight killed/attacked on?
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 4, 2020 22:20:12 GMT -5
Uh... I just thought of something disturbing. What if Berrynose was the mysterious cat screeching and bleeding at the end of TST to get Shadowsight separated from everyone else? Then he would have just fled. Berrynose was never my favourite cat, but... if he helped with the murder... My only argument against that is Bristlefrost did not mention any blood on Berrynose. Just on Bramblestar. But, it is a possibility. Ughhh this book needs to come out, I need to see if my boy is a murderer now They really like screwing up my favorites, huh?
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 4, 2020 22:23:08 GMT -5
Uh... I just thought of something disturbing. What if Berrynose was the mysterious cat screeching and bleeding at the end of TST to get Shadowsight separated from everyone else? Then he would have just fled. Berrynose was never my favourite cat, but... if he helped with the murder... My only argument against that is Bristlefrost did not mention any blood on Berrynose. Just on Bramblestar. But, it is a possibility. Ughhh this book needs to come out, I need to see if my boy is a murderer now They really like screwing up my favorites, huh? They like killing off all my favourites, that's for certain. And I mean that literally all my favourite cats end up dying.
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Post by Spinestar on Feb 4, 2020 22:23:35 GMT -5
Uh... I just thought of something disturbing. What if Berrynose was the mysterious cat screeching and bleeding at the end of TST to get Shadowsight separated from everyone else? Then he would have just fled. Berrynose was never my favourite cat, but... if he helped with the murder... My only argument against that is Bristlefrost did not mention any blood on Berrynose. Just on Bramblestar. But, it is a possibility. Ughhh this book needs to come out, I need to see if my boy is a murderer now They really like screwing up my favorites, huh? Another cat screamed according to end of TST, whom Shadowsight heard, maybe Ashfur put Berrynose upto it to distract Shadowsight? I doubt Berrynose would kill a cat, no matter how loyal he is to Ashfur.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Feb 4, 2020 22:25:26 GMT -5
Welp, this all but confirms evil Berrynose. I don't buy that he's blinded by his loyalty to ThunderClan. But he's obviously loyal as heck to Bramblefake, which is a viable argument I'll admit.
That said, I was hoping he wouldn't take things this far. He's insufferable, but an accomplice for murder? Dang.
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 4, 2020 22:26:07 GMT -5
Wow... I'm scared. This confirms it. Fake Bramble is the murderer, not that there ever was any doubt. Also, Shadowsight didn't flee the Clans. You threw his body in the ravine. There is a huge chance someone is going to find him. Also, I hope Berrynose doesn't know of the murder. Hopefully they just ran into each other in the Clan and Berrynose wasn't there with fake Bramble. If he was... I agree. Personally, I kind of think that Berrynose did not help him, but knowing these books, they'll randomly make Berrynose a murderer and pretty darn out of character. Arrogant little jerk I can understand, being super dedicated to his mentor, I can understand. But a murderer, or an accomplice? That's not something I can see him doing and staying in character. I do hope he just ran into him as he returned to camp and made an excuse.
I mean, I'll be fine either way, I'll get used to evil Berrynose if that happens, but I'd prefer just dumbly loyal Berrynose who did not help murder a cat ahah.
Quick question, what territory was Shadowsight killed/attacked on? We were on the way to the Moonpool. According to the VOS prologue, fake Bramble threw Shadowsight's body in the ravine on the border between TC and SkC territory. It also said that he landed beside the roots of a twisted thorn tree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:26:14 GMT -5
Watch Berrynose end up being possessed by Darkstripe lol
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 4, 2020 22:27:48 GMT -5
My only argument against that is Bristlefrost did not mention any blood on Berrynose. Just on Bramblestar. But, it is a possibility. Ughhh this book needs to come out, I need to see if my boy is a murderer now They really like screwing up my favorites, huh? <spolier>Another cat screamed according to end of TST, whom Shadowsight heard, maybe Ashfur put Berrynose upto it to distract Shadowsight? I doubt Berrynose would kill a cat, no matter how loyal he is to Ashfur.</spoiler> Hell, I'd rather them just come out of the ballpark and say Berrynose is also possessed by some demon cat rather than making a genuinely decent character and normal warrior into a sudden murderer or accomplice. I'm genuinely tired of characters getting shafted like this for the sake of Tigerstar's crusty bloodline so you know what? I'm still going to like Berrynose, even if they make him some out of character murderer. Screw it. At least make him a decent villian then, but I can't even hope for that, knowing this series lol.
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Post by Mayflower on Feb 4, 2020 22:34:55 GMT -5
Watch Berrynose end up being possessed by Darkstripe lol Ohhh, how crazy would it be if it turns out that fake!Bramblestar killed Berrynose at some point so Darkstripe could possess Berrynose's body? Of course, Rootpaw hasn't seen Berrynose's spirit wandering around (and I think he would be, because he wouldn't be able to get to StarClan), but I'll take it. This make things even crazier, because that means any cat is potentially helping fake!Bramblestar 👀
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:08 GMT -5
<spoiler> This is making my blood boil...something tells me Berrynose probably was in on it too. Why else would they come back at the same time? Why didn't Berrynose question him if he wasn't? All that bloods got to raise some questions... <spoiler>
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 4, 2020 22:35:36 GMT -5
I agree. Personally, I kind of think that Berrynose did not help him, but knowing these books, they'll randomly make Berrynose a murderer and pretty darn out of character. Arrogant little jerk I can understand, being super dedicated to his mentor, I can understand. But a murderer, or an accomplice? That's not something I can see him doing and staying in character. I do hope he just ran into him as he returned to camp and made an excuse.
I mean, I'll be fine either way, I'll get used to evil Berrynose if that happens, but I'd prefer just dumbly loyal Berrynose who did not help murder a cat ahah.
Quick question, what territory was Shadowsight killed/attacked on? We were on the way to the Moonpool. According to the VOS prologue, fake Bramble threw Shadowsight's body in the ravine on the border between TC and SkC territory. It also said that he landed beside the roots of a twisted thorn tree. Hm. I wonder if it was close enough then. In the prior chapter, Bramblestar whips around to supposedly look in Spiresight's direction, and then bolts away from the crime scene. If it was close to the Thunderclan border, I kind of wonder if the thing that startled Bramblestar was not Spiresight, but the sound or scent of Berrynose a few paces away. Brambelstar quickly having to come up with an excuse that Berrynose will of course believe, and they return to camp together.
Or, even more dark, maybe Berrynose was not so much a willing accomplice, but was threatened, hence the screaming that Shadowsight heard, maybe Bramblestar either threatened him to fall in line and unwillingly help, or if he didn't do it, he would be accused of being a traitor too. I have no idea, these ideas are really far out there, but at the same time I'd prefer that to just. Making Berrynose a murder or an accomplice in such a way...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:38:49 GMT -5
Watch Berrynose end up being possessed by Darkstripe lol Ohhh, how crazy would it be if it turns out that fake!Bramblestar killed Berrynose at some point so Darkstripe could possess Berrynose's body? Of course, Rootpaw hasn't seen Berrynose's spirit wandering around (and I think he would be, because he wouldn't be able to get to StarClan), but I'll take it. This make things even crazier, because that means any cat is potentially helping fake!Bramblestar 👀 That would be really sad, but really intense.
I just can't believe that Berrynose could be that blindly pathetic, even for Bramblestar.
He's always been a cat who upheld the warrior code, and looked down on those who broke it.
Then again, what the leader says IS the warrior code..so does that mean, the leader's word makes ALL other things in the warrior code moot?
Whoever made that rule should go to The Dark Forest.
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 4, 2020 22:46:09 GMT -5
Ohhh, how crazy would it be if it turns out that fake!Bramblestar killed Berrynose at some point so Darkstripe could possess Berrynose's body? Of course, Rootpaw hasn't seen Berrynose's spirit wandering around (and I think he would be, because he wouldn't be able to get to StarClan), but I'll take it. This make things even crazier, because that means any cat is potentially helping fake!Bramblestar 👀 That would be really sad, but really intense.
I just can't believe that Berrynose could be that blindly pathetic, even for Bramblestar.
He's always been a cat who upheld the warrior code, and looked down on those who broke it.
Then again, what the leader says IS the warrior code..so does that mean, the leader's word makes ALL other things in the warrior code moot?
Whoever made that rule should go to The Dark Forest. That was Darkstar of SkC. He was questioned by his deputy at a gathering after giving some of SkC territory to TC and... this happened. His deputy was not happy by the new addition because there might one day be a leader who would twist this to their own benefits. She was right.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:47:46 GMT -5
That would be really sad, but really intense.
I just can't believe that Berrynose could be that blindly pathetic, even for Bramblestar.
He's always been a cat who upheld the warrior code, and looked down on those who broke it.
Then again, what the leader says IS the warrior code..so does that mean, the leader's word makes ALL other things in the warrior code moot?
Whoever made that rule should go to The Dark Forest. That was Darkstar of SkC. He was questioned by his deputy at a gathering after giving some of SkC territory to TC and... this happened. His deputy was not happy by the new addition because there might one day be a leader who would twist this to their own benefits. She was right. People have told me this a million times, but I keep forgetting lol Well, Darkstar should be in The Dark Forest, and his deputy should get a reward.
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 4, 2020 22:49:56 GMT -5
Just read this myself. Chapter 2 is Bristlefrost POV, I guess that makes sense. Bramblestar's impostor killing Shadowsight was pretty obvious, but I didn't really expect Berrynose to be involved. Maybe he was the cat screeching at the end of The Silent Thaw, in order to get Shadowsight's attention and draw him in? Bramblestar's impostor is a really terrifying character, and I love it. I like the screentime Steamleaf and Spotfur are getting, too. I just hope they make it out of this alive, I ship them hardcore. It seems like in the end Jayfeather isn't really buying what Bramblestar's impostor is saying, I hope he makes it out okay from this as well. Confronting Bramblestar's impostor doesn't end well for anyone, as Bristlefrost kind of states in this. I'm a little annoyed Chapter 3 isn't included, since I want to know if Shadowsight will be a ghost POV, or if he's replaced by a cat such as Squirrelflight or Spiresight. The writing in this is super suspenseful and chilling. I can't wait for the rest of the book!
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 4, 2020 22:51:03 GMT -5
What I want:
Berrynose: Good night. Nice breeze. Having some me time, feels good to be deputy- Oh! Bramblestar, you startled me and-..hm, you have blood on you??
Bramblestar: Uh. Yeah. Fought off a fox near a catmint patch, you should have been there. Good night. Nice breeze, you know? This blood is from that, nothing you need to worry about. Ever. Got it?
Berrynose, being the blindly devoted scrub he is: holy moley that sounds wild, if you say so! I remember when you taught me how to fight foxes-
Bramblestar: Just keep him distracted, keep on walking back to camp
Berrynose: -And then you said "no, Berrypaw, how many times do I have to tell you to balance yourself" to which I replied "Well it's not like I have a tail to help me." Then you made me clean the elder's den-
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What I'll probably get:
Berrynose: Did I do good, Bramblestar, my superior and brilliant leader, to whom I have given up all my morals for?
Bramblestar: Sure, whatever. Say anything and I'll demote you and then kill you too.
Berrynose: So wise and strong, of course, would you like me to clean the blood from your fur? Deliver you more catmint? I'll throw myself into the ravine at your order, I shall, I am evil after all secretly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 22:55:24 GMT -5
I don't want to condemn Berrynose, or think too terribly bad about him without absolute proof that he was part of this. However, if he did willingly help the impostor kill Shadowsight, then well, Onestar will no longer be my least favorite character.
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Post by Moonblazer on Feb 4, 2020 22:59:53 GMT -5
I don't want to condemn Berrynose, or think too terribly bad about him without absolute proof that he was part of this. However, if he did willingly help the impostor kill Shadowsight, then well, Onestar will no longer be my least favorite character.
I refuse to have another character be brought down. I refuse it to happen again. Berrynose, no matter what happens, is still going to be one of my favorites in the series, because I'm tired of good characters getting thrown into such out of character roles and actions for the sake of these Tigerstar clones. They did it to Rowanstar, they're doing it to Berrynose, and I'm really tired of it. So I'm not going to let this crap make me hate him one bit if it turns out he actually is helping Bramblestar murder cats.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 23:06:10 GMT -5
I don't want to condemn Berrynose, or think too terribly bad about him without absolute proof that he was part of this. However, if he did willingly help the impostor kill Shadowsight, then well, Onestar will no longer be my least favorite character.
I refuse to have another character be brought down. I refuse it to happen again. Berrynose, no matter what happens, is still going to be one of my favorites in the series, because I'm tired of good characters getting thrown into such out of character roles and actions for the sake of these Tigerstar clones. They did it to Rowanstar, they're doing it to Berrynose, and I'm really tired of it. So I'm not going to let this crap make me hate him one bit if it turns out he actually is helping Bramblestar murder cats. Same! They also ruined Bumblestripe, who I thought was a really sweet cat, who cared deeply for his sisters, but nooo they had to ruin him to make Tigerheart look better for Dovewing.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Feb 4, 2020 23:13:50 GMT -5
Yikes! Berrynose? Helping with murder? He's always been a brat, but a murderer? That's insane. If he really did help, then I didn't expect that.
And of course, I expected fake Bramblestar to have the main part of it.
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