Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2020 15:43:57 GMT -5
All of this Ashfur talk got me thinking...
That if he gets to be in StarClan, then Hawkfrost and Mapleshade should be too.
I'll explain why now
Hawkfrost, from the time he was a young cat, Tigerstar, his father, had been manipulating him, Sasha, his mother, talked Tigerstar up A LOT.
Even though Hawkfrost was only a kit when he joined RiverClan, the other cats still treated him and his sister like they were outsiders if I remember correctly.
So of course a lonely, possibly bullied young, is going to be ecstatic to hear from his father, who his mother has said nothing but good things about.
Even though he might have heard the other RiverClan cats talk bad about Tigerstar, he's probably more inclined to listen to what his mother says, over to what they say.
I can imagine that Hawkfrost was a bit like the Dark Forest trainees in Omen of the Stars, he didn't start out as a bad cat, but through Tigerstar's manipulation, and feeling like an outsider in his clan, he got drawn there.
It was only intensified with him, since he is Tigerstar's son.
I'm not trying to excuse him, he is a terrible cat, however, his crimes weren't as bad as Ashfur's, and he had a better reason than Ashfur did for doing them.
Before he died, he AND Ashfur tricked Firestar into going into the fox trap.
He also faked an omen, but wasn't Mudfur going to pick Mothwing anyway? Besides, Mudfur died like a week after Mothwing got her medicine cat name, it's possible, that if Hawkfrost hadn't faked the omen, it could have been a ShadowClan situation, where Mudfur died without ever taking on an apprentice.
I know he did REALLY bad things after he died, like manipulating Ivypool and other cats into training in the Dark Forest, and he killed Hollyleaf, but before that, his crimes weren't as bad as Ashfur's.
Moving on to Mapleshade...
Her crimes were worse than Ashfur's, she killed a medicine cat, she attempted to kill a pregnant cat, and well, you all know the rest.
However, the reason why Ashfur did his crime, was the reason why she did hers.
She loved too much.
Only, her loving has more validation, because they were her CHILDREN, not some crush that didn't even go anywhere.
In conclusion, I don't like any of these characters in the slightest, and I think they should all face repercussions for their crimes
However, if Ashfur, who did crimes worse than Hawkfrost, and for the same reason that Mapleshade did (loving too much), can be forgiven and offered a spot in StarClan, then they should be forgiven too.
That if he gets to be in StarClan, then Hawkfrost and Mapleshade should be too.
I'll explain why now
Hawkfrost, from the time he was a young cat, Tigerstar, his father, had been manipulating him, Sasha, his mother, talked Tigerstar up A LOT.
Even though Hawkfrost was only a kit when he joined RiverClan, the other cats still treated him and his sister like they were outsiders if I remember correctly.
So of course a lonely, possibly bullied young, is going to be ecstatic to hear from his father, who his mother has said nothing but good things about.
Even though he might have heard the other RiverClan cats talk bad about Tigerstar, he's probably more inclined to listen to what his mother says, over to what they say.
I can imagine that Hawkfrost was a bit like the Dark Forest trainees in Omen of the Stars, he didn't start out as a bad cat, but through Tigerstar's manipulation, and feeling like an outsider in his clan, he got drawn there.
It was only intensified with him, since he is Tigerstar's son.
I'm not trying to excuse him, he is a terrible cat, however, his crimes weren't as bad as Ashfur's, and he had a better reason than Ashfur did for doing them.
Before he died, he AND Ashfur tricked Firestar into going into the fox trap.
He also faked an omen, but wasn't Mudfur going to pick Mothwing anyway? Besides, Mudfur died like a week after Mothwing got her medicine cat name, it's possible, that if Hawkfrost hadn't faked the omen, it could have been a ShadowClan situation, where Mudfur died without ever taking on an apprentice.
I know he did REALLY bad things after he died, like manipulating Ivypool and other cats into training in the Dark Forest, and he killed Hollyleaf, but before that, his crimes weren't as bad as Ashfur's.
Moving on to Mapleshade...
Her crimes were worse than Ashfur's, she killed a medicine cat, she attempted to kill a pregnant cat, and well, you all know the rest.
However, the reason why Ashfur did his crime, was the reason why she did hers.
She loved too much.
Only, her loving has more validation, because they were her CHILDREN, not some crush that didn't even go anywhere.
In conclusion, I don't like any of these characters in the slightest, and I think they should all face repercussions for their crimes
However, if Ashfur, who did crimes worse than Hawkfrost, and for the same reason that Mapleshade did (loving too much), can be forgiven and offered a spot in StarClan, then they should be forgiven too.