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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 14:57:15 GMT -5
Who do you think is the worst parent of Warriors?
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Feb 3, 2020 15:44:39 GMT -5
Spiderleg at least tried, Crowfeather ended up bonding with Breezepelt eventually and was apparently a decent father when he was a kit, and Birchfall doesn't really seem that bad.
The other three, though... Lizardstripe never wanted kits and shouldn't be shamed for it, but she was still a horrible mother to the point of being abusive to her foster kit (yes, who was forced to take in, but that's no excuse). Meanwhile, Sandgorse was too obsessed with his own dreams that he never took time to consider what his son wanted and maybe it's just me, but at times it felt like the narrative expected the readers to forgive him. And we all know how horrible Rainflower is.
I think I'd go with Sandgorse at least from a narrative standpoint, but in general, it's Lizardstripe, especially since she not only emotionally abused Brokenkit, but physically as well (it's mentioned in FE that she would nip him and deprive him of milk when Jayfeather was looking into Yellowfang's memories).
That being said, Rainflower was just as horrid and definitely more vain if she was willing to disown her son just because he broke his jaw to the point of requesting to change his name and saying he'd never be as good as Oakheart, among other things. I think her only redeeming quality was that she was still a good mother to Oakheart and seemed to love both her kits before the incident, but even then I don't think that's really saying much given everything that happened.
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Post by *Faith* on Feb 3, 2020 15:47:32 GMT -5
Why is Birchfall on there? I don't remember him doing anything terrible. When Ivypaw got captured by ShC in NW he immediately wanted to attack ShC to rescue his daughter. When Dovewing was leaving to live in ShC he offered right away to walk his daughter to her new Clan.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 15:53:04 GMT -5
Why is Birchfall on there? I don't remember him doing anything terrible. When Ivypaw got captured by ShC in NW he immediately wanted to attack ShC to rescue his daughter. When Dovewing was leaving to live in ShC he offered right away to walk his daughter to her new Clan. Because, when he found out that his daughter was training with evil dead cats, instead of trying to talk her out of it, or doing anything about it, like going to Firestar or Whitewing, he decided to start training there with her. But he is FAR from being a bad parent
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Post by Brindlefern on Feb 3, 2020 15:55:06 GMT -5
Why is Birchfall on there? I don't remember him doing anything terrible. When Ivypaw got captured by ShC in NW he immediately wanted to attack ShC to rescue his daughter. When Dovewing was leaving to live in ShC he offered right away to walk his daughter to her new Clan. I'm guessing he's there because he just was very inactive as a characer during the later books until the DF thing. But that doesn't say much about him as a father.
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Post by Sundance on Feb 3, 2020 17:32:52 GMT -5
Lizardstripe > Rainflower Because of that scene in Fading Echoes where Jayfeather enters Yellowfangs memories and โLizardstripe is seen nipping, hissing, growling, and depriving him [Brokenstar] of milk to remind him of how she didn't want himโ (from Warriors Wikia)
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Post by Jaysnow on Feb 3, 2020 17:49:41 GMT -5
Rainflower, easy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 19:11:39 GMT -5
Lizardstripe > Rainflower Because of that scene in Fading Echoes where Jayfeather enters Yellowfangs memories and โLizardstripe is seen nipping, hissing, growling, and depriving him [Brokenstar] of milk to remind him of how she didn't want himโ (from Warriors Wikia) Didn't she also not care when her kits were bullying Brokenkit? I know he was supposedly born evil, but I can't help thinking that Lizardstripe had SOMETHING to do with how he turned out...her impact might not be major, but I think she had some impact.
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Post by ๐ฃ๐ฒ๐ท๐พ๐ฟ๐ฒ๐ฎ๐ต on Feb 3, 2020 19:29:01 GMT -5
Lizardstripe > Rainflower Because of that scene in Fading Echoes where Jayfeather enters Yellowfangs memories and โLizardstripe is seen nipping, hissing, growling, and depriving him [Brokenstar] of milk to remind him of how she didn't want himโ (from Warriors Wikia) Didn't she also not care when her kits were bullying Brokenkit? I know he was supposedly born evil, but I can't help thinking that Lizardstripe had SOMETHING to do with how he turned out...her impact might not be major, but I think she had some impact. Some of the books that bring up Lizardstripe basically lean towards this being the case, and Secrets of the Clans even states that Brokenstar inherited several of his bad traits from her.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 19:43:32 GMT -5
Didn't she also not care when her kits were bullying Brokenkit? I know he was supposedly born evil, but I can't help thinking that Lizardstripe had SOMETHING to do with how he turned out...her impact might not be major, but I think she had some impact. Some of the books that bring up Lizardstripe basically lean towards this being the case, and Secrets of the Clans even states that Brokenstar inherited several of his bad traits from her. Thanks, I thought I remembered seeing something like that somewhere, but I really can't keep track of all the books, like I've read some stories from Secrets of the Clans, I don't think I've read any of Code of the Clans, I read all of Battles of The Clans, and yeah
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Post by Lightflame on Feb 3, 2020 20:07:58 GMT -5
Stick should be in this poll.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2020 20:12:03 GMT -5
Stick should be in this poll. For like few moments, I thought you meant the stick from The Power of Three, and I was sooo confused, but then I remembered, that there's a character named Stick.
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Post by maiareadswarriors on Feb 5, 2020 0:41:21 GMT -5
No one can EVER beat Rainflower. EVER. Why did such a vile and heartless cat have to get such a beautiful name?
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Post by maiareadswarriors on Feb 5, 2020 0:45:49 GMT -5
That being said, Rainflower was just as horrid and definitely more vain if she was willing to disown her son just because he broke his jaw to the point of requesting to change his name and saying he'd never be as good as Oakheart, among other things. I think her only redeeming quality was that she was still a good mother to Oakheart and seemed to love both her kits before the incident, but even then I don't think that's really saying much given everything that happened. In my opinion it would have been better if she had been mean to Oakheart as well. The obviously favoritism to one kit made her hatred to the other one that much worse for me. I know it happens in real life. Animals will sometimes reject sickly babies. But it was just so horrible in the book the way she treated him. It's like she was putting her children against each other.
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