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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:10:01 GMT -5
Spoilers for TBC below Honestly, I don't think he's acting very much out of character.
He has always been EXTREMELY loyal to ThunderClan, and in his mind, Bramblestar is still Bramblestar, the leader of the clan he loves so much, and the cats he's picking on, are cats who are breaking the rules.
It has been shown in Dovewing's Silence and Crowfeather's Trial, that Berrynose is 100% against the Dark Forest trainees, and he's pretty outspoken against it.
He probably sees the cats who Bramblestar is mad at, as basically the same, traitors to ThunderClan.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 30, 2020 10:20:50 GMT -5
I also wonder if he’s doing what Bramblestar says and seeing it as correct because he quite literally was trained by Bramblestar, was brought back to Thunderclan as a kit by Bramblestar, is the only cat in the clan that was mentored by Bramblestar. It’s the equivalent of someone you have looked up to and trusted and learned from your entire life suddenly making decisions that are not ideal, but you’re too engrossed in them as a person that the consequences seem minimal compared to that deep rooted loyalty.
I agree. He isn’t really acting much out of character, he has just always been incredibly loyal to Thunderclan, even when cats have insulted him for not being clan-borne before.
I am fine with whatever they plan to do with him, at least he’s getting focus, whether it’s good or bad. I personally hope he sees Bramblestar’s actions and either steps down or dies trying to stop him, but I will also accept him being demoted or bonked for his usual actions. While I’ll be really sad if he’s killed, I also wouldn’t be surprised if they gave him a stupid death.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:23:53 GMT -5
I also wonder if he’s doing what Bramblestar says and seeing it as correct because he quite literally was trained by Bramblestar, was brought back to Thunderclan as a kit by Bramblestar, is the only cat in the clan that was mentored by Bramblestar. It’s the equivalent of someone you have looked up to and trusted and learned from your entire life suddenly making decisions that are not ideal, but you’re too engrossed in them as a person that the consequences seem minimal compared to that deep rooted loyalty. I agree. He isn’t really acting much out of character, he has just always been incredibly loyal to Thunderclan, even when cats have insulted him for not being clan-borne before. I am fine with whatever they plan to do with him, at least he’s getting focus, whether it’s good or bad. I personally hope he sees Bramblestar’s actions and either steps down or dies trying to stop him, but I will also accept him being demoted or bonked for his usual actions. While I’ll be really sad if he’s killed, I also wouldn’t be surprised if they gave him a stupid death. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense too, Bramblestar is probably the cat he's the closest to in the clan, besides Daisy. Loyalty to someone, especially if you idolize them, can sometimes make you blind to their wrong-doings and what not I hope they don't give him a stupid death, but at least if he does die (even in a stupid way) it'll be better than dying of greencough between books.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:30:50 GMT -5
I think one of Daisy’s kits will die in VOS battle. Why else does Daisy’s Kin take place between VOS and DW. Of course then Daisy will start to question her life in TC as a result of that along w the other bs going on I hope it's not Mousewhisker, he's my favorite out of her kits, it was Toadstep, but then he had to go and die
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 30, 2020 10:30:58 GMT -5
I think one of Daisy’s kits will die in VOS battle. Why else does Daisy’s Kin take place between VOS and DW. Of course then Daisy will start to question her life in TC as a result of that along w the other bs going on Or, even worse, Berry, Mouse and Rose are all killed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:33:36 GMT -5
I think one of Daisy’s kits will die in VOS battle. Why else does Daisy’s Kin take place between VOS and DW. Of course then Daisy will start to question her life in TC as a result of that along w the other bs going on Or, even worse, Berry, Mouse and Rose are all killed. That would be completely heart breaking for poor Daisy
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Post by Spinestar on Jan 30, 2020 10:38:08 GMT -5
I think one of Daisy’s kits will die in VOS battle. Why else does Daisy’s Kin take place between VOS and DW. Of course then Daisy will start to question her life in TC as a result of that along w the other bs going on Or, even worse, Berry, Mouse and Rose are all killed. Spare Rose please. Rosestar needed if not Ivystar If I gotta choose from those 3, it’s Berrynose who’s gotta go
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:40:56 GMT -5
Or, even worse, Berry, Mouse and Rose are all killed. Spare Rose please. Rosestar needed if not Ivystar If I gotta choose from those 3, it’s Berrynose who’s gotta go If either of them become leader, I hope they have the sense to make Molewhisker deputy
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 30, 2020 10:48:55 GMT -5
I’d be fine with Mousewhisker or Rosepetal dying, they have always just been kind of there for me. I’d rather Berrynose live out of the three, he’s at least interesting and has a strong personality lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 10:52:27 GMT -5
I’d be fine with Mousewhisker or Rosepetal dying, they have always just been kind of there for me. I’d rather Berrynose live out of the three, he’s at least interesting and has a strong personality lol. That's true lol I just love Mousewhisker's dense personality, and how clumsy he seems Like, in The Power of Three, when he gets stuck in a tree, and Cinderheart breaks her leg trying to get him down, and in Bramblestar's Storm, when he accidentally knocks Cherryfall off a roof He's always been amusing to read about, at least to me
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Post by platinum blond death on Jan 30, 2020 12:44:54 GMT -5
He's definitely not acting out of character; this is very much in character for him. He's always been loyal, especially to Bramblestar. And imo, he's always been kind of a jerk ever since he became a warrior. I definitely don't want him to become leader; he's a bit too brash and rude for that. As for if I want him to die ... well, a part of me wants to keep him, and a part of me wants him to die. Preferably on screen (on page?), and not in between books.
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 30, 2020 13:23:31 GMT -5
I agree, he's completely in character.
I'm more surprised that he wanted to replace Squirrelflight as deputy.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 30, 2020 16:22:26 GMT -5
Berrynose has always been a massive a**hole. It's just gotten to the point where even his fans can't ignore it anymore. I am so sick of him. I can't wait for him to die already.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 16:48:39 GMT -5
platinum blond deathYeah, like I like him, I think he's a great father, and not as bad as the narrative of Leafpool's kits make him seem, but he is a bit too stubborn, and thinks that he's right, which makes me think that he isn't willing to compromise, which isn't a good quality for a leader to have. MistybreezeHe is a really good dad, and very protective of his kits, so he's not ALL bad
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 30, 2020 17:21:27 GMT -5
Chicken doesn't change the fact that he's a jerk. Being a jerk doesn't mean he's a bad father.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 30, 2020 17:23:42 GMT -5
He's always been a jerk. The difference is that now he just seems like a pathetic jerk.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:24:35 GMT -5
Chicken doesn't change the fact that he's a jerk. Being a jerk doesn't mean he's a bad father. I never said he wasn't a jerk, I'm just saying that he isn't all bad
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 30, 2020 17:27:45 GMT -5
Chicken doesn't change the fact that he's a jerk. Being a jerk doesn't mean he's a bad father. I never said he wasn't a jerk, I'm just saying that he isn't all bad I never said he didn't have any good qualities, and yet you took it that way. It definitely seemed like you were arguing that a jerk can't also be a good father.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:29:20 GMT -5
I never said he wasn't a jerk, I'm just saying that he isn't all bad I never said he didn't have any good qualities, and yet you took it that way. It definitely seemed like you were arguing that a jerk can't also be a good father. Oh wow, I had no idea that you were a psychic mind reader. Maybe you should take your show on the road, and make tons of money.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 30, 2020 17:31:35 GMT -5
I mean, I’d rather him be a jerk who isn’t really even that much of a jerk compared to plenty of other Thunderclan cats, than be a piece of cardboard background character like 90 percent of the clan. There have been plenty of moments where he has been a decent and dedicated Thunderclan warrior, and plenty of scenes where he is just bold spoken and does not agree with the leading protagonist. Which honestly isn’t anything new.
Hence why I don’t want him to die. He’s not boring, has an actual personality, and can be useful for the plot. To each their own, though, so I understand people’s dislike for him, I have just always enjoyed him.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 30, 2020 17:38:25 GMT -5
I never said he didn't have any good qualities, and yet you took it that way. It definitely seemed like you were arguing that a jerk can't also be a good father. Oh wow, I had no idea that you were a psychic mind reader. Maybe you should take your show on the road, and make tons of money. Don't start with the passive aggressive crap. I responded to the comment you made. Of course I don't know what exactly what you were thinking. You appeared to be countering some point I didn't make. Let's just end this here. Next time, don't snap at someone who annoyed you. Walk away and come back after you've calmed down.
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Post by *Faith* on Jan 30, 2020 17:44:45 GMT -5
As Bristlefrost stated in her narration, Berrynose most likely doesn't care who patrols or hunts. He just likes bossing his Clanmates around. This is totally in character for him. Still don't like him, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:45:06 GMT -5
Oh wow, I had no idea that you were a psychic mind reader. Maybe you should take your show on the road, and make tons of money. Don't start with the passive aggressive crap. I responded to the comment you made. Of course I don't know what exactly what you were thinking. You appeared to be countering some point I didn't make. Let's just end this here. Next time, don't snap at someone who annoyed you. Walk away and come back after you've calmed down. You made a post about how horrible he is, and I said that he isn't all bad, and then you came at me.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 30, 2020 17:45:18 GMT -5
I mean, I’d rather him be a jerk who isn’t really even that much of a jerk compared to plenty of other Thunderclan cats, than be a piece of cardboard background character like 90 percent of the clan. There have been plenty of moments where he has been a decent and dedicated Thunderclan warrior, and plenty of scenes where he is just bold spoken and does not agree with the leading protagonist. Which honestly isn’t anything new. Hence why I don’t want him to die. He’s not boring, has an actual personality, and can be useful for the plot. To each their own, though, so I understand people’s dislike for him, I have just always enjoyed him. This is perfectly fine. You like whoever you want. The problem arises when people try to justify bad actions because they like a character. I've seen this happen so much with Berrynose, which I genuinely don't get. Why do people relentlessly defend his character, but attack ones who've done less?
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Post by Mistybreeze on Jan 30, 2020 17:48:00 GMT -5
Don't start with the passive aggressive crap. I responded to the comment you made. Of course I don't know what exactly what you were thinking. You appeared to be countering some point I didn't make. Let's just end this here. Next time, don't snap at someone who annoyed you. Walk away and come back after you've calmed down. You made a post about how horrible he is, and I said that he isn't all bad, and then you came at me. I said he was a jerk, not Satan. A jerk might be a decent father, Satan will not. You took meaning out of my comment that wasn't there. Again, stop. I have zero interest in a flame war. Let's just drop it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 30, 2020 17:50:04 GMT -5
You made a post about how horrible he is, and I said that he isn't all bad, and then you came at me. I said he was a jerk, not Satan. A jerk might be a decent father, Satan will not. You took meaning out of my comment that wasn't there. Again, stop. I have zero interest in a flame war. Let's just drop it. You're just assuming what I thought and twisting things around. But whatever, I'll drop it
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 30, 2020 17:55:54 GMT -5
I mean, I’d rather him be a jerk who isn’t really even that much of a jerk compared to plenty of other Thunderclan cats, than be a piece of cardboard background character like 90 percent of the clan. There have been plenty of moments where he has been a decent and dedicated Thunderclan warrior, and plenty of scenes where he is just bold spoken and does not agree with the leading protagonist. Which honestly isn’t anything new. Hence why I don’t want him to die. He’s not boring, has an actual personality, and can be useful for the plot. To each their own, though, so I understand people’s dislike for him, I have just always enjoyed him. This is perfectly fine. You like whoever you want. The problem arises when people try to justify bad actions because they like a character. I've seen this happen so much with Berrynose, which I genuinely don't get. Why do people relentlessly defend his character, but attack ones who've done less? I mean, I don’t deny his bad moments. I would not be a proper fan of the character as a whole if I did. I merely enjoy that he isn’t a morally perfect character, but that he does have genuinely good traits too. Compared to Crowfeather for example, who genuinely was a bad father, a bad mate, left his clan for Leafpool, and who offers alot less but seems to receive alot more excuses than most. Or with Blackstar, who has slaughtered elders and weak prisoners but gets free passes because he was slightly better than Shadowclan’s really awful leaders. I don’t get it either, when crappy actions are excused, but to me personally, small acts of pettiness are more forgivable than physically injuring a clanmate, being a terrible father, or murdering others. Some people act like Berrynose is doing more than just being annoying and speaking his mind and his opinions, and being petty, but he has always been this way. The difference is that he is, or believes he is, genuinely loyal to his clan and he does his duties like any others do, so it’s never bothered me as much that he’s not a noble and morally perfect character 100 percent of the time.
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 30, 2020 17:58:53 GMT -5
So just know that no, I am not saying that Berrynose is justified in being a jerk at the times when he is. What I am saying, is that he’s not so much an awful or gross jerk like others that it makes me hate him. He’s right at that spot where he maintains a different personality that makes him flawed, makes him stand out from boring characters, and makes me appreciate that he’s there to stir up drama that would make Thunderclan boring otherwise.
Like Gary, from Pokemon. He’s a total arrogant jerk, but he’s needed for progression of the main character and is not a bad person at heart at all.
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Post by Hawkflower on Jan 31, 2020 10:15:25 GMT -5
Oh wow, I had no idea that you were a psychic mind reader. Maybe you should take your show on the road, and make tons of money. Don't start with the passive aggressive crap. I responded to the comment you made. Of course I don't know what exactly what you were thinking. You appeared to be countering some point I didn't make. Let's just end this here. Next time, don't snap at someone who annoyed you. Walk away and come back after you've calmed down. Everyone’s allowed to have their own opinion. Not trying to start anything here—but the only one being aggressive here is you. Take your own advice.
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