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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 18:12:01 GMT -5
Who's the more popular sister in the fandom? I forgot. (my guess would be Ivypool)
I really like them both, but I like Ivypool slightly better.
I don't know if it's because I liked her better initially, or what, I just do lol.
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Post by scint on Jan 29, 2020 18:25:04 GMT -5
It's Ivypool lmao I don't get why people claim Dovewing is more popular when she clearly isn't (especially when talking about the fandom overall. I've hardly met any people aside from on here that are either neutral on her, or dislike/hate Ivypool)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 18:25:36 GMT -5
Definitely Ivypool. Though, many have started liking Dovewing due to TBC. I don't remember seeing much of Dovewing in TBC, though, I have this problem, where I pay soo much attention to certain characters, but not so much on others. Like, I can pretty much remember every single thing Sandynose has done, but if you were to ask me just two things Squirrelflight has done/said, I couldn't tell you right off the bat. I remember some things about Twigbranch, like her saving a feather for Violetshine when they were kits, and her saving that RiverClan apprentice, but if you were to ask me anything about Violetshine, I probably wouldn't be able to think of anything except for the stuff that is common knowledge. I'm going stop rambling now lol
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#a3c5e6
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𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 29, 2020 18:29:05 GMT -5
Like others have said, Ivypool.
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#a3c5e6
Name Colour
𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵
Warrior Fanatic
All hail me, the flower-flushing queen of Prague
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Jan 29, 2020 18:34:39 GMT -5
It's Ivypool lmao I don't get why people claim Dovewing is more popular when she clearly isn't (especially when talking about the fandom overall. I've hardly met any people aside from on here that are either neutral on her, or dislike/hate Ivypool) I really don't get it, either. It's so weird to me. Ivypool has been more popular than Dovewing since at least Fading Echoes or Night Whispers and has only grown in popularity over the years, so I really don't understand why some think the reverse is true. Maybe now people are starting to like Dovewing, but even then it's nowhere near on her sister's level.
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Pixie
credit to poleyworld and pixelart
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Post by Pixie on Jan 29, 2020 18:37:05 GMT -5
Definitely Ivypool. Though, many have started liking Dovewing due to TBC. I don't remember seeing much of Dovewing in TBC, though, I have this problem, where I pay soo much attention to certain characters, but not so much on others. Like, I can pretty much remember every single thing Sandynose has done, but if you were to ask me just two things Squirrelflight has done/said, I couldn't tell you right off the bat. I remember some things about Twigbranch, like her saving a feather for Violetshine when they were kits, and her saving that RiverClan apprentice, but if you were to ask me anything about Violetshine, I probably wouldn't be able to think of anything except for the stuff that is common knowledge. I'm going stop rambling now lol It’s mainly just her being a good mom and supportive wife.
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Post by platinum blond death on Jan 29, 2020 18:39:37 GMT -5
I prefer Ivypool, though I don't even know why. Should probably reread OotS oops. I've honestly forgotten what their personalities are.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 18:40:16 GMT -5
I don't remember seeing much of Dovewing in TBC, though, I have this problem, where I pay soo much attention to certain characters, but not so much on others. Like, I can pretty much remember every single thing Sandynose has done, but if you were to ask me just two things Squirrelflight has done/said, I couldn't tell you right off the bat. I remember some things about Twigbranch, like her saving a feather for Violetshine when they were kits, and her saving that RiverClan apprentice, but if you were to ask me anything about Violetshine, I probably wouldn't be able to think of anything except for the stuff that is common knowledge. I'm going stop rambling now lol It’s mainly just her being a good mom and supportive wife. Aw that's cute I don't know why some people on here are mentioning about how people think Dovewing is more popular, when no one has even said it yet.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 18:42:30 GMT -5
I prefer Ivypool, though I don't even know why. Should probably reread OotS oops. I've honestly forgotten what their personalities are. Me too honestly.
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Pixie
credit to poleyworld and pixelart
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Post by Pixie on Jan 29, 2020 18:42:50 GMT -5
It’s mainly just her being a good mom and supportive wife. Aw that's cute I don't know why some people on here are mentioning about how people think Dovewing is more popular, when no one has even said it yet. Probably because it has happened around on the forums and this just seems like the relevant place to put it in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 18:44:21 GMT -5
Aw that's cute I don't know why some people on here are mentioning about how people think Dovewing is more popular, when no one has even said it yet. Probably because it has happened around on the forums and this just seems like the relevant place to put it in. That makes sense lol I was confused, I thought that maybe they misread my post or something
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 18:54:03 GMT -5
While Ivypool annoyed me quite a bit in the beginning-middle of OOTS, she matured greatly, and her chapters were at least interesting to read. Dovewing was boring and frankly stupid throughout the whole arc. Haven't even read AVOS yet.
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Post by scint on Jan 29, 2020 19:24:05 GMT -5
It’s mainly just her being a good mom and supportive wife. Aw that's cute I don't know why some people on here are mentioning about how people think Dovewing is more popular, when no one has even said it yet. It happened a lot more prior to the last warning WG got for toxic behaviour, I think. But either way I definitely do remember people claiming that Ivypool wasn't really that popular and underrated...which makes no sense considering the majority of both the forums and the fandom love her
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 19:29:03 GMT -5
Aw that's cute I don't know why some people on here are mentioning about how people think Dovewing is more popular, when no one has even said it yet. It happened a lot more prior to the last warning WG got for toxic behaviour, I think. But either way I definitely do remember people claiming that Ivypool wasn't really that popular and underrated...which makes no sense considering the majority of both the forums and the fandom love her Wow really? I figured that Ivypool was the more popular one, because I don't remember seeing anyone who dislikes her (except for one person, but there are probably more, just not as much as the people who dislike Dovewing) I just wanted to make sure, if that makes any sense. I'm pretty new to the fandom, well, at least compared to other people. I joined this site right after Redtail's Debt came out, and I started reading the series right after Crowfeather's Trial came out, so I missed a lot of major things that apparently happened in the past lol
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jan 29, 2020 19:48:47 GMT -5
From what I've seen, Ivypool is by faaaaaaaaar the more popular one, but a few Dovewing lovers I've seen are aggressive in their love for Dovewing and hatred of Ivypool.
Basically, most Ivypool fans will sit around discussing other things and only talk about their love for Ivypool when directly asked (like me). Most Dovewing fans do the same. However, some Dovewing fans decide to take their anger that their favorite cat isn't popular out on the fans of her sister. I'm not even that involved in the community and I've seen multiple threads/articles/comments/whatever where a Dovewing lover openly trashes all the Ivypool fans and is just generally being terrible.
Obviously not all Dovewing fans are that way, there are many that are nice people that respect others' opinions. And I'm sure there are Ivypool fans who trash on Dovewing fans... I just haven't seen it in my limited presence in the community. I do think that that aggression shown by the vocal minority is what makes people think Dovewing is more popular, even though the majority of people like Ivypool more. A few Ivypool fans feel attacked by some rando trashing on them, so instead of realizing that it is just some rando with a different opinion, they think it must be a fandom-wide opinion, so they say Dovewing is more popular. Does that make sense? (Not to mention the vicious cycle that used to happen where the reason the Dove fan posted a trashing statement in the first place is because they feel attacked by Ivy fans, and then Ivy fans feel attacked by that post, so they trash Dove fans, and then another Dove fan posts and on and on and on).
For at least the last four months though, things seem to have calmed down in the respective fan groups, and I'd like to keep it that way.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 20:01:42 GMT -5
From what I've seen, Ivypool is by faaaaaaaaar the more popular one, but a few Dovewing lovers I've seen are aggressive in their love for Dovewing and hatred of Ivypool. Basically, most Ivypool fans will sit around discussing other things and only talk about their love for Ivypool when directly asked (like me). Most Dovewing fans do the same. However, some Dovewing fans decide to take their anger that their favorite cat isn't popular out on the fans of her sister. I'm not even that involved in the community and I've seen multiple threads/articles/comments/whatever where a Dovewing lover openly trashes all the Ivypool fans and is just generally being terrible. Obviously not all Dovewing fans are that way, there are many that are nice people that respect others' opinions. And I'm sure there are Ivypool fans who trash on Dovewing fans... I just haven't seen it in my limited presence in the community. I do think that that aggression shown by the vocal minority is what makes people think Dovewing is more popular, even though the majority of people like Ivypool more. A few Ivypool fans feel attacked by some rando trashing on them, so instead of realizing that it is just some rando with a different opinion, they think it must be a fandom-wide opinion, so they say Dovewing is more popular. Does that make sense? (Not to mention the vicious cycle that used to happen where the reason the Dove fan posted a trashing statement in the first place is because they feel attacked by Ivy fans, and then Ivy fans feel attacked by that post, so they trash Dove fans, and then another Dove fan posts and on and on and on). For at least the last four months though, things seem to have calmed down in the respective fan groups, and I'd like to keep it that way. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. Sorry if this thread might have potentially stirred the hate pot, that wasn't my intention :/ That's really lame how people hate on others because they have differing opinions, like, not everyone is going to think the same about the same things.
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*Ravenpaw*
Warrior Fanatic
*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 30, 2020 0:02:59 GMT -5
Probably Ivypool.
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Post by ❅Maplefrost❅ on Jan 31, 2020 8:22:10 GMT -5
Think about the subject gives me war flashbacks ugh. Skypaw13 and yeah you're right, it's only because those certain Dovefans whom you speak of aren't really active on these forums anymore. I've noticed that the forums haven't actually been as aggressively out of wack for a couple of months now? At least in WG that is. It's nice. But there are smaller, much smaller, mishaps here and there, which is mostly just geared up debates. I don't think anything can top the drama that Ivy and Dove caused on the forums though. For a while, Twig and Violet were a thing too, but not as intense, and many agree they're well written to an extent. Personally, I never really hated Dovewing at first, I was just disappointed. Disappointed that character mostly focused on wayward badly written romance despite her being one of the chosen three. It was either that or constant disagreements with Ivypool. I found Ivy's POV more interest, I mean she was literally training in cat heck, that's pretty metal if you ask me. I feel like I was neutral toward her in DWS, Dovewing that is, but then AVoS happened, and all the problems that came with it. Like DoveTiger, which has dragged over for 12 books and a SE, and completely ruined her character imo. And I don't think just because she's a "decent mother" or a supportive wife of a jerk like Tigerheartstar(who honestly shouldn't even have been leader) makes up for the rest of her poorly written character. Because at this point she's just shoved into the Trophy Wife category. Even Ivypool still had a good role in AVoS as Twig's apprentice and then had a good relationship with Fernsong, and her kits are pretty cool too. I feel like I'd take Ivypool over Dovewing any day because of that. Character-wise, Ivypool got the better trade-off: > No unnecessary love triangle > Loyal to her clan and well respect > Likable and non-controversial mate > Better POV and focus, not even one of the three > Likable kits, with pretty cool names and personality > Actually viable in the final TLH battle > Was still active while planning a family > Actual healthy communication between her mate > Two apprentices under her belt (6 if you count the DF) > Atoned for her involvement with the DF > Amazing hunter and good fighter > Obvious leadership skills Meanwhile, you can look at Dovewing and she's pretty much the opposite. It's okay to like her character, but I think it's clear for the mass majority, it was hard to like her when she was written so awfully.
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