ashheart19
Formerly known as totaldramaforever on the old forums!
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Post by ashheart19 on Jan 27, 2020 18:04:00 GMT -5
Like the title says, what are some of your unpopular/controversial opinions about the characters or books?
- I don't know if it's unpopular or not, but I ship Tigerstar and Sasha. - I lowkey ship Hawkfrost and Ivypool (When I read OOTS I liked them) - The modern Clans are boring and I wish that there were more books about the DOTC characters - I actually thought the Tribe was interesting - Not sure if it's unpopular but I really hate Needletail - SkyClan should have stayed in the gorge
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 18:15:55 GMT -5
I like Tigerheartstar, and I have liked him ever since Omen of the Stars. There has been a few times where I've been disappointed in him, but I've never stopped liking him, and I'm not sure I ever will.
I don't really care for any of Firestar's or Tigerclawstar's kits
I found Hollyleaf to be extremely boring, Jayfeather to be extremely annoying, Lionblaze was cool though
I feel sympathy for Sol
I like Reedwhisker, and I want him to be leader
I think Twigbranch gets too much hate for her clan hopping
Bramblestar had every right to be upset at Squirrelflight in pretty much all of their arguments
I like Hawkheart
I like Goosefeather
I like Star Flower
I also like Cedarstar and Stonetooth
(There's a lot of characters I like that a lot of people don't)
I like that SkyClan is being included in with the other 4 clans
I probably have more, but I can't think of them at the moment
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 18:39:27 GMT -5
-hides behind chair-
- I like Crowfeather
- Nightcloud isn't that great tbh, the more I think about the more I realize how unpleasant she really was
- Thornclaw's aight
- I like ClearStar and LeafCrow
- I like Berrynose, hope he doesn't die
- Leafpool and Squirrelflight are queens
- I kind of want Bramblestar to die permanently in TBC
- Hollyleaf is meh
- I like Tigerheartstar
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Post by Protractor on Jan 27, 2020 18:58:24 GMT -5
Sol wasn't a bad cat in the grand scheme of things and I like him
I like Crowfeather,Lionblaze,Jayfeather,and Hawkfrost
Berrynose is just as good a cat as any
I don't see everyone's problem with Mapleshade and could name 5 cats worse than she was
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ashheart19
Formerly known as totaldramaforever on the old forums!
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Post by ashheart19 on Jan 27, 2020 19:02:08 GMT -5
I like Tigerheartstar, and I have liked him ever since Omen of the Stars. There has been a few times where I've been disappointed in him, but I've never stopped liking him, and I'm not sure I ever will. I don't really care for any of Firestar's or Tigerclawstar's kits I found Hollyleaf to be extremely boring, Jayfeather to be extremely annoying, Lionblaze was cool though I feel sympathy for Sol I like Reedwhisker, and I want him to be leader I think Twigbranch gets too much hate for her clan hopping Bramblestar had every right to be upset at Squirrelflight in pretty much all of their arguments I like Hawkheart I like Goosefeather I like Star Flower I also like Cedarstar and Stonetooth (There's a lot of characters I like that a lot of people don't) I like that SkyClan is being included in with the other 4 clans I probably have more, but I can't think of them at the moment Oooh, I actually agree with a lot of these! I actually liked Lionblaze the best out of the Three. I want Reedwhisker to be leader too, I feel like Mistystar's been around for a long time (Pretty sure she's the oldest cat in the Clans?) Either him or Minnowtail I'd want as leader. I feel like Hawkheart's super underrated! I liked him! And Goosefeather too! I liked Star Flower too. Besides having a pretty name, I liked that she helped Clear Sky become a better cat.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 19:02:28 GMT -5
Sol wasn't a bad cat in the grand scheme of things and I like him I like Crowfeather,Lionblaze,Jayfeather,and Hawkfrost Berrynose is just as good a cat as any I don't see everyone's problem with Mapleshade and could name 5 cats worse than she was I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my problem with Mapleshade is that she literally tried to kill a pregnant cat. I also hate how she keeps cropping up EVERYWHERE, like Crookedstar was understandable I guess, and so was Tigerclaw, if she's going after Oakstar's family, but why Goosefeather? That poor boy had enough going on his life without her interference. She's also overrated
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 19:04:42 GMT -5
I like Tigerheartstar, and I have liked him ever since Omen of the Stars. There has been a few times where I've been disappointed in him, but I've never stopped liking him, and I'm not sure I ever will. I don't really care for any of Firestar's or Tigerclawstar's kits I found Hollyleaf to be extremely boring, Jayfeather to be extremely annoying, Lionblaze was cool though I feel sympathy for Sol I like Reedwhisker, and I want him to be leader I think Twigbranch gets too much hate for her clan hopping Bramblestar had every right to be upset at Squirrelflight in pretty much all of their arguments I like Hawkheart I like Goosefeather I like Star Flower I also like Cedarstar and Stonetooth (There's a lot of characters I like that a lot of people don't) I like that SkyClan is being included in with the other 4 clans I probably have more, but I can't think of them at the moment Oooh, I actually agree with a lot of these! I actually liked Lionblaze the best out of the Three. I want Reedwhisker to be leader too, I feel like Mistystar's been around for a long time (Pretty sure she's the oldest cat in the Clans?) Either him or Minnowtail I'd want as leader. I feel like Hawkheart's super underrated! I liked him! And Goosefeather too! I liked Star Flower too. Besides having a pretty name, I liked that she helped Clear Sky become a better cat. Me too I also like how she taught the other cats how to fight the rogues. I don't really want Minnowtail to be leader, because like everyone who has been a Dark Forest Trainee would be leader except in SkyClan, and I guess ThunderClan, unless Bramblestar counts. Like Tigerheart trained in the Dark Forest and so did Harestar. I guess Minnowtail wouldn't be that bad, I like how she told off that annoying apprentice Mossypaw or whatever her name was. Hawkheart was SUCH a sweetheart in Yellowfang's Secret and he was hilarious in Tallstar's Revenge.
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ashheart19
Formerly known as totaldramaforever on the old forums!
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Post by ashheart19 on Jan 27, 2020 19:05:52 GMT -5
-hides behind chair- - I like Crowfeather - Nightcloud isn't that great tbh, the more I think about the more I realize how unpleasant she really was - Thornclaw's aight - I like ClearStar and LeafCrow - I like Berrynose, hope he doesn't die - Leafpool and Squirrelflight are queens - I kind of want Bramblestar to die permanently in TBC - Hollyleaf is meh - I like Tigerheartstar I'm in the middle about Nightcloud to be honest. But it's more leaning towards dislike now that I think about it. I love LeafCrow! And ClearStar! I like that both toms were soft for them and their characters seemed to improve as a result. I love Berrynose and Leafpool! I was really upset when I found out Leafpool died.
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Post by Protractor on Jan 27, 2020 19:06:30 GMT -5
Sol wasn't a bad cat in the grand scheme of things and I like him I like Crowfeather,Lionblaze,Jayfeather,and Hawkfrost Berrynose is just as good a cat as any I don't see everyone's problem with Mapleshade and could name 5 cats worse than she was I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my problem with Mapleshade is that she literally tried to kill a pregnant cat. I also hate how she keeps cropping up EVERYWHERE, like Crookedstar was understandable I guess, and so was Tigerclaw, if she's going after Oakstar's family, but why Goosefeather? That poor boy had enough going on his life without her interference. She's also overrated This is what happens when the world is against you reading Mapleshades Vengeance
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2020 19:07:24 GMT -5
I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my problem with Mapleshade is that she literally tried to kill a pregnant cat. I also hate how she keeps cropping up EVERYWHERE, like Crookedstar was understandable I guess, and so was Tigerclaw, if she's going after Oakstar's family, but why Goosefeather? That poor boy had enough going on his life without her interference. She's also overrated This is what happens when the world is against you reading Mapleshades Vengeance What do you mean?
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ashheart19
Formerly known as totaldramaforever on the old forums!
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Post by ashheart19 on Jan 27, 2020 19:10:36 GMT -5
Sol wasn't a bad cat in the grand scheme of things and I like him I like Crowfeather,Lionblaze,Jayfeather,and Hawkfrost Berrynose is just as good a cat as any I don't see everyone's problem with Mapleshade and could name 5 cats worse than she was I totally agree about Sol. Yeah, he steered ShadowClan away from their belief in StarClan, but he didn't try to overthrow the Clans or kill other cats. I'm not sure what his main motive was, but he didn't seem as bad as what he was made out to be. I love Hawkfrost! He's one of my favorite villains! I get why people don't like Mapleshade, but I actually really like her as a villain.
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Post by platinum blond death on Jan 27, 2020 20:07:40 GMT -5
- I really don't like Tigerheartstar. His personality and attitude could be improved on. - The other Clans really need to stop ganging up on ShadowClan. - Sol was an interesting character and I like him. - Onestar was awful. Onewhisker was fine. - Yellowfang's Secret was unnecessary, to say the least. Did not improve my thoughts on ShadowClan at all. - Sharpclaw could've tried to be at least a little more understanding with Hawkwing. - Needletail is meh. - More dotc more dotc more tribe more tribe - JayxStick is best ship you cannot convince me otherwise. - The Last Hope was sorta anticlimatic. - There need to be less forced medicine cats. - The whole "medicine cats cannot have a mate or kits" rule is pointless and creates unnecessary drama and forbidden romance. - Forbidden romance is overrated in this series.
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Post by wolfcry32 on Jan 28, 2020 7:13:42 GMT -5
I don’t like Mapleshade. She doesn’t get sympathy from me.
Lionblaze is fantastic. Fight me.
Forbidden relationships are the bread and butter of the series. Except the bread is moldy and the butter is melted.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 8:00:51 GMT -5
Another thing: Call me cold, but I really don't care about Honeyfern. I shrugged off her death. She was literally just another background character to me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2020 8:37:39 GMT -5
Seeing other people's posts made me think of more
I didn't really care when Briarlight died, I mean it was sad yeah, just like any other death from a good background character, but it was also whatever
Speaking of character deaths, this one isn't a background character, but I didn't care when Hollyleaf died the first or the second time
I despised Sparkpelt in AVOS, the only time I liked her, was when she beat up that kittypet to protect her brother
I don't blame Pinestar for leaving the clans
I like Twigbranch's name
I didn't really care for Mousefur
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ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁
Official ThunderClan & ElmClan Leader
Easing back in
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Post by ʀᴀɪɴʟᴇᴀғ 🍁 on Jan 28, 2020 8:55:38 GMT -5
I don't like VioletxTree or their kits very much. Leafstar is a pretty good leader even with her flaws. If you really want to look at a leader that let their flaws get the best of them, look at Leopardstar. I wouldn't mind Reedstar much, but I want him to have living kits or grandkits so Bluestar's line lives on. Bluestar wasn't that bad of a leader, I know she had difficulties with things but with the medicine they use, I can see her mental illnesses besting her. ShadowClan and WindClan are trash. The cats I liked are either unlikable now, dead, or irrelevant. (Littlecloud, Tawnypelt, Jesus-star, Ashfoot, Harestar) Unsure how unpopular this is, but Leafpool is annoying and just ugh.. I wished she never got her rank back until ShadowClan needed her, THEN went to ShadowClan to ve their medicine cat until her death. Funny enough, I like Crowfeather but I dislike many cats connected to him. (Leafpool, Lionblaze, Nightcloud, Breezepelt) Crowfeather's Trial was downright fan-catering and unsatisfying. Windstar is unlikable.
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Post by Cheetahstar on Jan 28, 2020 15:39:56 GMT -5
I love Mapleshade, in my top 5 favourite cats in the book series and I wouldn't mind a possible redemption ark in the future
Pinestar gets hated on too much, what was the dude meant to do when starclan kept chanting for him to kill his only kid?
Not a fan of Ivypool, I prefer Dovewing
I want Squirrelstar more than anything else in the book
Thistleclaw before Spottedleafs heart had potential to be a cool 3 dimensional bad guy
SPOTTEDLEAFS HEART ISNT CANON. LET SPOTTEDLEAF BE A WILLING MED CAT
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Post by Card against Humanity on Jan 28, 2020 15:46:37 GMT -5
- everybody involved with the Millie/blossom/briar conflict was unlikable except briarlight
- TPB isn’t perfect
- sol and maplashade should never have been given backstory. they worked far better as villains when there was some amount of mystery to them
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Post by Moonblazer on Jan 28, 2020 19:21:45 GMT -5
-I preferred Rowanstar over any other Shadowclan leader, and was excited to see him develop into his leadership more, hence why how they handled him really made me upset. He genuinely was not a bad leader at all and I think he would have done a really good job had he been given a chance to regain his confidence instead of killing him off for Tigerheart. Ugh.
-Needletail is not complex or interesting in the slightest. She is genuinely unappealing in every way, shape and form and I really don’t want to see her again.
-Graystripe is not a bad father or a bad mate at all.
-Berrynose is not awful for falling in love with Poppyfrost after Honeyfern died. People move on from loved ones deaths at different paces and in no way at all does that mean he never loved her. The fact that Honeyfern had an entire scene literally saying she was happy for Berrynose and Poppyfrost shows that it isn’t and shouldn’t be a problem. Nobody is awful for moving on quicker than others.
-I actually rather liked Leopardstar
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Spinestar
Got The Ashfur Tattoo!
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Post by Spinestar on Jan 28, 2020 21:50:03 GMT -5
-I preferred Rowanstar over any other Shadowclan leader, and was excited to see him develop into his leadership more, hence why how they handled him really made me upset. He genuinely was not a bad leader at all and I think he would have done a really good job had he been given a chance to regain his confidence instead of killing him off for Tigerheart. Ugh. -Needletail is not complex or interesting in the slightest. She is genuinely unappealing in every way, shape and form and I really don’t want to see her again. -Graystripe is not a bad father or a bad mate at all. -Berrynose is not awful for falling in love with Poppyfrost after Honeyfern died. People move on from loved ones deaths at different paces and in no way at all does that mean he never loved her. The fact that Honeyfern had an entire scene literally saying she was happy for Berrynose and Poppyfrost shows that it isn’t and shouldn’t be a problem. Nobody is awful for moving on quicker than others. -I actually rather liked Leopardstar Rowanstar wasn’t a good leader, but he was SUCH an awesome, caring cat. Love him sooo much. I hate Sleekwhisker the most of any cat, I blame her for his death. And stupid Onestar ruined his leadership. I hate Needletail too just for disobeying and back answering him all the time
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ashheart19
Formerly known as totaldramaforever on the old forums!
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Post by ashheart19 on Jan 28, 2020 22:53:52 GMT -5
- Crookedstar's Promise is the best SE.
- I really hated OOTS because of how anticlimactic the ending was. The "big battle" was only a few chapters and I expected a lot more characters to die than what was given. They built up how dangerous and deadly the battle would be too.
- I love Leopardstar.
- The series with the modern Clans should have ended after Firestar's death. AVOS feels like a fanfiction to me (But I'm only on book 3 so I don't know if it gets better).
- The "forced to be a medicine cat" trope needs to stop.
- Forbidden romances need to stop PLEASE. DovexTiger was painful to me.
- BloodClan was an interesting concept.
- I like JaggedxRainswept better than JaggedxHolly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 10:26:02 GMT -5
needletail was not a good cat at all. and violetshine puts her in the spotlight way to much.
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Pineclaw
Pronouns: He/Him or They/Them
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Post by Pineclaw on Jan 29, 2020 11:35:01 GMT -5
- I like Hawkheart - Briarlight should have died sooner. - Rowanstar wasn't all that bad, there were worse leaders than him. - Bluestar was insufferable for most of her special edition. - I like Sol, he was an interesting villain. Well, until I read his backstory. I like to pretend it doesn't exist... - I like Berrynose
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Post by mrnnki on Jan 29, 2020 11:36:15 GMT -5
I’ve already said this, but—the series would be better without prophecies. Give me my omens and cryptic dreams, but no prophecies. It could help make StarClan’s existence more mysterious and ambiguous.
—The series was always a cat soap opera/drama. It never went from “political battles” to “family drama.” As we can see from Yellowfang being Brokenstar’s mother to Scourge being Firestar’s half-brother, to Cloudtail and his arc, it was always filled with family drama.
—I would rather have seen Firestar and Tigerstar battle in the first arc than have Scourge swoop in.
—Firestar’s significance to the plot went on for WAY too long. He should’ve died in Po3.
—Darktail and the Kin never scared or disturbed me. They were just a stereotypical villain cult.
— I don’t like nor care for Briarlight in any capacity, nor do I ship Jay x Briar.
This last one is more personal/pet peeve-y (and really ranty) so it might not make sense, but— Warriors is so generic/widely known at this point that anything with stray cat clowders can have the name “warrior cats” slapped onto it. Warriors didn’t invent the idea of wild cats living in colonies, so why is it that whenever we see/write a story with feral cat groups, we call it Warriors? There’s so much fanfiction that could’ve just been an original story because it changes up the governmental system of the clans so much, from adding kings and queens to complete subclasses, or completely removing the naming system. (C’mon guys, I need more cat drama series. Let’s get published!)
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Post by Oceanmist97 on Jan 29, 2020 12:13:33 GMT -5
* I actually don't mind forbidden romance in general. There have been a lot of poorly written forbidden romances, sure. But I like the concept as a whole. Some of the allowed interClan relationships have been just as bad as certain forbidden ones.
* I like LeafXCrow as a concept, but it was rushed and poorly written.
* Stormfur and Feathertail deserved better.
* Crowfeather had no real reason to be as angsty as he was.
* I like Nightcloud and I did like Breezepelt at one point, but then they just shoehorned him into being overly evil. Hatred for half-Clan cats I understand from his perspective, but then he just goes full crazy. His redemption should have been tied into his death.
* The sister drama between Dovewing and Ivypool wasn't very good.
* Blackstar is not a good leader. He's just a better leader when compared to the two worst cats in ShadowClan history.
* I adore the queens who choose to stay in the nursery even though they do not have kits. They are not "weak" at all. And Ferncloud deserved better than what she got.
* Graystripe should have died instead of being taken by Twolegs in TNP. Bringing him back just to be an extra makes me sad.
* I dislike a lot of the names in the series. I really only like the names that I can visualize (Morningflower, Whitewing, etc.) Some of the names are downright baffling (Honeyfern, Plumstone, etc.)
* SkyClan should have never existed.
* Littlecloud's quote about how he and Cinderpelt were "closer than friends" is absolutely an anguished declaration of love and I cannot be told otherwise.
* The concept of dead cats being "killed" again is possibly the worst thing to happen in the series and it is the reason I stopped reading OOTS.
* Likewise, the idea that cats need to "choose" mates in StarClan is also dumb. Cats should be able to live with their mates in StarClan with no issues.
* I've never thought of Firestar as being a gary stu or a "perfect" character. He had flaws, especially in his later years. He came across as too much of a pacifist, similar to Tallstar. I was sad to hear he was gone.
* I also never thought of Spottedleaf as being creepy or annoying. I felt bad for her, mostly.
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Post by Skypaw13 on Jan 29, 2020 15:59:08 GMT -5
I love how whenever there's an unpopular opinions thread, a good portion of people start sharing very popular and common opinions. XD
Here's one of mine that I bet is pretty unpopular: Omen of the Stars was more enjoyable than A Vision of Shadows.
And also: Lionblaze and Cinderheart are my favorite ship.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 17:07:14 GMT -5
I know I posted on here like twice already, but I have more!
I don't want a ThunderClan purge, I know they have 48 cats, which is almost twice as much as WindClan's 25 cats (though, they probably have cats hiding out somewhere, just to use them when the time is right), but I don't like the idea of a whole chunk of cats just getting senselessly killed off because there's too many of them.
I like the Dovewing x Tigerheart ship, I know that their relationship caused some drama, and took over an arch, but they're honestly a sweet couple that try to be there for each other, and they're not constantly bickering. Also, Tigerheart is completely dedicated to Dovewing, and I find that super sweet. I'm aware that he betrayed her, and told ShadowClan about their herb garden, but he did it to help Littlecloud, ShadowClan's only medicine cat, at the time. It's not like he literally killed the spirit of another cat for the good of his clan or something.
I know I make jokes about it a lot, but I honestly don't care how old Mistystar is, I think she's a good leader, and she hasn't even been leader that long, has she?
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*reads books in a corner*
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Jan 29, 2020 23:32:33 GMT -5
SkyClan should have stayed in the gorge. I like Twigbranch better than Violetshine, and I didn't mind her clan-hopping. Violetshine clan-hopped, too. First was in ThunderClan, then forced to live in ShadowClan, and she joined SkyClan. I don't like Needletail. She was a brat. I feel like I'm one of the few who still likes Bramblestar. He had every right to be mad at Squirrelflight when she lied to him about the Three and going behind his back. DOTC wasn't that great.
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