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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2016 23:47:59 GMT -5
When I thought of the warrior code it made me wonder if Heathertail lied after all when she said Sedgekit told Onestar about the tunnels. Kits aren't supposed to leave the camp. They were lost and only followed Heatherpaw so they couldn't have remembered where the tunnels were to explain to the warriors in full detail. Now, Breezepelt/paw could have told them too, but at this point he didn't have any reason to punish the Three. He knew nothing about them being half brothers.
As much I dislike Onestar, I don't believe he'd send Sedgekit to the tunnels and search for them. I doubt the kit barely even remembers. Like I said, they only followed Heathertail.
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Post by 𝓣𝓲𝓷𝓾𝓿𝓲𝓮𝓵 on Aug 24, 2016 8:36:13 GMT -5
It wasn't Onestar Sedgekit told, it was Weaselfur. According to Heatherpaw, Sedgekit was boasting to him about how she found the tunnels and that's how WindClan found out.
Vicky did confirm she didn't lie, but something still seems a little sketchy. I mean, why would warriors believe a kit over... anything, really? They have wild imaginations, after all. So, either Weaselfur and the others really did believe Sedgekit or they found the tunnels on their own afterwards, realizing that Sedgekit was telling the truth if Heatherpaw really didn't lie.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 9:43:23 GMT -5
I think Heathertail was telling the truth.
Even if Sedgewhisker was just a kit at the time, I don't think WindClan would really pass up on a potential way of sneaking into their enemies territory if they knew they could. After she told them, Weaselful probably rounded up a couple of his friends to go check and see if there really was a tunnel, and then once they found it they reported it back to Onestar. What reason would Heathertail have for wanting to hurt ThunderClan? She and Lionblaze made amends in Dark River, and were fine with splitting up. She realized her mistake, and went on with her life. It wasn't until after the battle in Eclipse that she and Lionblaze got on rocky terms with one another again.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 9:50:54 GMT -5
Kate thinks she lied and Vicky thinks she told the truth. So who knows- I think we have to ask Harper Collins themselves for a solid answer.
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Post by Dancing_Totodile on Aug 24, 2016 9:53:23 GMT -5
Vicky has been know not to tell the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 10:02:28 GMT -5
Vicky has been know not to tell the truth. Yeah... but at the same time, while Vicky doesn't always tell the truth, Kate's notorious for only saying her personal opinion on the subject and not actually giving any facts. If anything, Vicky, even though she is less likely to give us information, has given us more straight facts- even if they often contradict with Kate's information. So really, there's no way to tell who is right unless one- or both- admit that they don't know for sure. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 14:14:04 GMT -5
What would heathertail get out of lying though? at the time, she liked lionpaw and didnt wanna hurt him.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 17:23:05 GMT -5
What would heathertail get out of lying though? at the time, she liked lionpaw and didnt wanna hurt him. But then she became obnoxious and held a grudge against Lionblaze and even went as far as telling him what to do. "You should keep an eye on your apprentice." You're not the leader, Heathertail. Get over it. What happened was several moons ago and you're a full grown warrior now. Lionblaze is no better. Both of them need to get over it. |
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 24, 2016 17:33:28 GMT -5
What would heathertail get out of lying though? at the time, she liked lionpaw and didnt wanna hurt him. But then she became obnoxious and held a grudge against Lionblaze and even went as far as telling him what to do. "You should keep an eye on your apprentice." You're not the leader, Heathertail. Get over it. What happened was several moons ago and you're a full grown warrior now. Lionblaze is no better. Both of them need to get over it. True but the grudge originated after the Eclipse battle. Before that she was on okay terms and wouldn't need to lie. To be fair Lionblaze's apprentice tresspassed and then woke up everyone from her Clan (she's most likely gonna be cranky) just to check on someone (when she already knew her condition) when she could've waited for a Gathering. Even if she wasn't there she could ask Whitetail or other WindClan members. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 17:38:24 GMT -5
But then she became obnoxious and held a grudge against Lionblaze and even went as far as telling him what to do. "You should keep an eye on your apprentice." You're not the leader, Heathertail. Get over it. What happened was several moons ago and you're a full grown warrior now. Lionblaze is no better. Both of them need to get over it. True but the grudge originated after the Eclipse battle. Before that she was on okay terms and wouldn't need to lie. To be fair Lionblaze's apprentice tresspassed and then woke up everyone from her Clan (she's most likely gonna be cranky) just to check on someone (when she already knew her condition) when she could've waited for a Gathering. Even if she wasn't there she could ask Whitetail or other WindClan members. Good point. But Heathertail still isn't the leader - heck, she doesn't even live in the Clan! She had no right to tell Lionblaze how to control his apprentice. And with Dovepaw, she was young and foolish and eventually accepted that they're not friends anymore. And knowing Dovepaw, she's such a worrywart, so of course she isn't just going to wait until the next Gathering to see if her friend is okay. This doesn't excuse her breaking the warrior code, however. |
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 24, 2016 17:48:09 GMT -5
True but the grudge originated after the Eclipse battle. Before that she was on okay terms and wouldn't need to lie. To be fair Lionblaze's apprentice tresspassed and then woke up everyone from her Clan (she's most likely gonna be cranky) just to check on someone (when she already knew her condition) when she could've waited for a Gathering. Even if she wasn't there she could ask Whitetail or other WindClan members. Good point. But Heathertail still isn't the leader - heck, she doesn't even live in the Clan! She had no right to tell Lionblaze how to control his apprentice. And with Dovepaw, she was young and foolish and eventually accepted that they're not friends anymore. And knowing Dovepaw, she's such a worrywart, so of course she isn't just going to wait until the next Gathering to see if her friend is okay. This doesn't excuse her breaking the warrior code, however. She kinda did since it was her Clan that had been interrupted. She has a right to express her discomfort at such things and explain how it should be prevented from happening again. She's a warrior and needs to make sure she's getting her sleep. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2016 18:33:28 GMT -5
Good point. But Heathertail still isn't the leader - heck, she doesn't even live in the Clan! She had no right to tell Lionblaze how to control his apprentice. And with Dovepaw, she was young and foolish and eventually accepted that they're not friends anymore. And knowing Dovepaw, she's such a worrywart, so of course she isn't just going to wait until the next Gathering to see if her friend is okay. This doesn't excuse her breaking the warrior code, however. She kinda did since it was her Clan that had been interrupted. She has a right to express her discomfort at such things and explain how it should be prevented from happening again. She's a warrior and needs to make sure she's getting her sleep. Heathertail still isn't the boss of him, though. I don't know, the way how she said that just rubbed me off the wrong way. It bothered me, like she partly said it to Lionblaze just to make him angry. |
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Post by Wicked Witch on Aug 24, 2016 18:47:38 GMT -5
She kinda did since it was her Clan that had been interrupted. She has a right to express her discomfort at such things and explain how it should be prevented from happening again. She's a warrior and needs to make sure she's getting her sleep. Heathertail still isn't the boss of him, though. I don't know, the way how she said that just rubbed me off the wrong way. It bothered me, like she partly said it to Lionblaze just to make him angry. I know she can't control him but she can uphold the warrior code which states: "Do not hunt or trespass on another Clan's territory." It's Lionblaze responsibility to make sure Dovewing learns and adheres to this code. Heather can't stop him or control/boss him around and I never said she could, just that she had the right to say what she said, due to her discomfort that was caused by his apprentice and to an extent upholding the code. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2016 6:24:38 GMT -5
Heathertail still isn't the boss of him, though. I don't know, the way how she said that just rubbed me off the wrong way. It bothered me, like she partly said it to Lionblaze just to make him angry. I know she can't control him but she can uphold the warrior code which states: "Do not hunt or trespass on another Clan's territory." It's Lionblaze responsibility to make sure Dovewing learns and adheres to this code. Heather can't stop him or control/boss him around and I never said she could, just that she had the right to say what she said, due to her discomfort that was caused by his apprentice and to an extent upholding the code. Honestly, any WindClan warrior could have said that. Cats from other Clans make snide remarks at others all the time. You just remember this one because Heathertail had a connection with Lionblaze already. |
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