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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 12:44:53 GMT -5
Do the cats in this series even have free will, like truly?
Apparently, Leafpool and Crowfeather breaking the rules was meant to happen.
Clear Sky killing everyone was meant to happen
Is everything meant to happen? And no matter how much anyone tries, they can't stop it?
Or is it just some excuse, so they won't be judged too harshly for their actions?
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Post by mrnnki on Dec 17, 2019 15:53:06 GMT -5
I view it as a Sims game. The cats can act on their own, but occasionally their free will is overridden.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 16:00:21 GMT -5
I view it as a Sims game. The cats can act on their own, but occasionally their free will is overridden. That's a good way to look at it XD |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 17:42:31 GMT -5
Well, maybe they don’t want to take place for their actions so “Starclan told them to” or whatever
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 17:49:05 GMT -5
Well, maybe they don’t want to take place for their actions so “Starclan told them to” or whatever But StarClan are the ones staying that it was supposed to happen, not them |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Dec 17, 2019 20:22:05 GMT -5
Didnt starclan say blood will rule the forest in book one showing that bloodclan was gonna win? and we know how that turned out
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 20:52:55 GMT -5
Didnt starclan say blood will rule the forest in book one showing that bloodclan was gonna win? and we know how that turned out I don't remember |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2019 21:48:38 GMT -5
Well, maybe they don’t want to take place for their actions so “Starclan told them to” or whatever But StarClan are the ones staying that it was supposed to happen, not them Yea. |
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Post by alphayamergo on Dec 18, 2019 17:35:16 GMT -5
You've just stumbled on the paradox of free will. My advice is not to think too hard about it, or it'll drive you mad. Having said that, though, we've seen StarClan manipulate Squirrelflight and Leafpool into doing things against the Code, then trying to throw the book at them when they died, so StarClan's view seems to be that they've got free will even if they're being coerced. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2019 17:51:20 GMT -5
You've just stumbled on the paradox of free will. My advice is not to think too hard about it, or it'll drive you mad. Having said that, though, we've seen StarClan manipulate Squirrelflight and Leafpool into doing things against the Code, then trying to throw the book at them when they died, so StarClan's view seems to be that they've got free will even if they're being coerced. StarClan is whack, I think Sol had a good point when he said that they should focus on the living cats, rather than the dead ones |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 19, 2019 22:52:37 GMT -5
I think it's an excuse to not judge them too harshly.
This was the reason why I was so mad that Quiet Rain forgave Clear Sky so quickly. I wanted to throw the book across the room.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 7:34:39 GMT -5
I think it's an excuse to not judge them too harshly. This was the reason why I was so mad that Quiet Rain forgave Clear Sky so quickly. I wanted to throw the book across the room. Yeah, one minute she was like, "You're no kit of mine!" and the next, she was like, "Oh, I forgive you, and you should forgive yourself!" However, she is his mother, and she knew that she was dying, so maybe she didn't want to die with bad blood between them or something? |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Dec 20, 2019 15:04:03 GMT -5
I think it's an excuse to not judge them too harshly. This was the reason why I was so mad that Quiet Rain forgave Clear Sky so quickly. I wanted to throw the book across the room. Yeah, one minute she was like, "You're no kit of mine!" and the next, she was like, "Oh, I forgive you, and you should forgive yourself!" However, she is his mother, and she knew that she was dying, so maybe she didn't want to die with bad blood between them or something? Possibly. But I can't help but see it as bad writing. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 15:04:57 GMT -5
Yeah, one minute she was like, "You're no kit of mine!" and the next, she was like, "Oh, I forgive you, and you should forgive yourself!" However, she is his mother, and she knew that she was dying, so maybe she didn't want to die with bad blood between them or something? Possibly. But I can't help but see it as bad writing. You're probably right |
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Post by halogen on Dec 20, 2019 16:49:17 GMT -5
Warriors needs to have more cases where a cat is just like "nope I'm not going to forgive you" and stays that way, where the cat not being forgiven isn't a cartoon villain with no redeeming qualities but just someone who did something really horrible that a lot of people won't forgive. It seems like the Erins have to make anyone less villainous than Tigerstar get forgiven by all the cats they have wronged.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2019 16:54:11 GMT -5
Warriors needs to have more cases where a cat is just like "nope I'm not going to forgive you" and stays that way, where the cat not being forgiven isn't a cartoon villain with no redeeming qualities but just someone who did something really horrible that a lot of people won't forgive. It seems like the Erins have to make anyone less villainous than Tigerstar get forgiven by all the cats they have wronged. Right? Like in Squirrelflight's Hope, where Hollyleaf and Ashfur have forgiven each other There are probably other instances too. I can't believed SHADED MOSS was the one who told Quiet Rain to forgive Clear Sky, his daughter was the one who got killed by him. Then again, it probably meant more coming from him, since it was his daughter. I also don't like how some characters they redeem them right before they kill them, like Onestar and Juniperclaw |
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Post by Tas on Dec 20, 2019 18:58:41 GMT -5
Not sure what you mean by meant to happen. Their religion suggests that everything is foretold in the stars. This is not a true fact, only a belief.
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Post by lollycat on Dec 21, 2019 12:58:51 GMT -5
I like what Rock said to BrokenShadow about Fallen leaves in The last Hope page 4. "What is the point of a life held in the paws of another? There must be freedom. I can point the way but every cat walks on its own paws."
I understand how Quiet Rain can be forgiving and loving to Clear Sky. That is a mother's love that can disagree with his actions but still love and forgive him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2019 13:15:48 GMT -5
I like what Rock said to BrokenShadow about Fallen leaves in The last Hope page 4. "What is the point of a life held in the paws of another? There must be freedom. I can point the way but every cat walks on its own paws." I understand how Quiet Rain can be forgiving and loving to Clear Sky. That is a mother's love that can disagree with his actions but still love and forgive him. I really like that, it's true too Yeah, that is true about Quiet Rain too |
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