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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 16:03:47 GMT -5
Which kit of the cats who trained in the Dark Forest, do you think would have tried in the Dark Forest, had they been alive at that time?
Ivypool's kits
Bristlefrost
Flipclaw
Thriftear
Blossomfall x Thornclaw's kits
Stemleaf
Eaglewing
Plumstone
Shellfur
Breezepelt's kits
Smokehaze
Brindlewing
Applepaw
Woodpaw
Tigerheartstar's kits
Lightleap
Pouncestep
Shadowpaw
Bramblestar (kinda)
Sparkpelt
Alderheart
Lionblaze (kinda)
Fernsong
Hollytuft
Sorrelstripe
Snaptooth
Flywhisker
Spotfur
I think that's everyone, I know Thistleclaw also trained there, but his kit is Whitestorm.
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 25, 2019 16:24:34 GMT -5
You forgot to add Flywhisker, Snaptooth and Spotfur for Lionblaze's kits.
It's hard to tell if you don't know their personality.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 16:30:55 GMT -5
You forgot to add Flywhisker, Snaptooth and Spotfur for Lionblaze's kits. It's hard to tell if you don't know their personality. Oops, thanks for letting me know lol That's so true |
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Post by Neekwanakwaki (Cloud) on Nov 25, 2019 16:42:11 GMT -5
I think Flywhisker (back when she was Twigbranch's apprentice), since she tried hard to impress her mentor (who didn't do well with her in the beginning).
I think she would have went since her mentor at the time belittled her if it wasn't for Finleap's intervention.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 16:43:05 GMT -5
I think Flywhisker (back when she was Twigbranch's apprentice), since she tried hard to impress her mentor (who didn't do well with her in the beginning). I think she would have went since her mentor at the time belittled her if it wasn't for Finleap's intervention. I can totally see that too |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 25, 2019 21:41:30 GMT -5
I can see Lightleap or Pouncestep being lured in by being Tigerstars kits
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 21:47:19 GMT -5
I can see Lightleap or Pouncestep being lured in by being Tigerstars kits That would be interesting to see, it'd probably be the brown tabby one lol, but Strikestone kind of broke that trend Or was it Bramblestar? Who do you count as breaking it? |
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Post by halogen on Nov 25, 2019 22:05:17 GMT -5
I can see Lightleap or Pouncestep being lured in by being Tigerstars kits That would be interesting to see, it'd probably be the brown tabby one lol, but Strikestone kind of broke that trend Or was it Bramblestar? Who do you count as breaking it? Bramblestar's generation doesn't count because he still trained in the dark forest, the one that turned evil was also a brown tabby, and the two siblings who weren't brown tabbies, unlike Bramblestar, had nothing to do with the whole thing. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2019 22:08:54 GMT -5
That would be interesting to see, it'd probably be the brown tabby one lol, but Strikestone kind of broke that trend Or was it Bramblestar? Who do you count as breaking it? Bramblestar's generation doesn't count because he still trained in the dark forest, the one that turned evil was also a brown tabby, and the two siblings who weren't brown tabbies, unlike Bramblestar, had nothing to do with the whole thing. That makes sense I kinda wish Mothwing would have been the evil one instead of Hawkfrost, it would have been more shocking and interesting, since she's a medicine cat |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 26, 2019 22:22:03 GMT -5
Bramblestar's generation doesn't count because he still trained in the dark forest, the one that turned evil was also a brown tabby, and the two siblings who weren't brown tabbies, unlike Bramblestar, had nothing to do with the whole thing. That makes sense I kinda wish Mothwing would have been the evil one instead of Hawkfrost, it would have been more shocking and interesting, since she's a medicine cat Imagine both Hawkfrost and Bramble still train and Mothwing grows hateful of the fact that her own dad and brother doesn't take her seriously bam evil au
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 22:28:37 GMT -5
That makes sense I kinda wish Mothwing would have been the evil one instead of Hawkfrost, it would have been more shocking and interesting, since she's a medicine cat Imagine both Hawkfrost and Bramble still train and Mothwing grows hateful of the fact that her own dad and brother doesn't take her seriously bam evil au
That'd be great  And Tawnypelt would just be there like, Seriously? I kinda wish that she had turned out evil, since EVERYONE pretty much expected Brambleclaw would since he's Tigerstar's clone, and I don't know if anyone was really suspecting Tawnypelt, it didn't seem like it, but idk, she left ThunderClan so they might have been |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 26, 2019 22:36:43 GMT -5
Imagine both Hawkfrost and Bramble still train and Mothwing grows hateful of the fact that her own dad and brother doesn't take her seriously bam evil au
That'd be great And Tawnypelt would just be there like, Seriously? I kinda wish that she had turned out evil, since EVERYONE pretty much expected Brambleclaw would since he's Tigerstar's clone, and I don't know if anyone was really suspecting Tawnypelt, it didn't seem like it, but idk, she left ThunderClan so they might have been I am so sad we have like....so little female villains
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Post by Deleted on Nov 26, 2019 22:53:59 GMT -5
That'd be great And Tawnypelt would just be there like, Seriously? I kinda wish that she had turned out evil, since EVERYONE pretty much expected Brambleclaw would since he's Tigerstar's clone, and I don't know if anyone was really suspecting Tawnypelt, it didn't seem like it, but idk, she left ThunderClan so they might have been I am so sad we have like....so little female villains
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 27, 2019 3:18:40 GMT -5
I am so sad we have like....so little female villains
<svg class="SnapLinksHighlighter" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"> <rect width="0" height="0"></rect> <!-- Used for easily cloning the properly namespaced rect --> </svg> True, and the ones that we do have are kind of...dense I for one love Mapleshade as a bad guy but do think shes abit...overused....... I still hate almost everyone in her book |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 7:28:17 GMT -5
True, and the ones that we do have are kind of...dense I for one love Mapleshade as a bad guy but do think shes abit...overused....... I still hate almost everyone in her book I don't really care for her, and while I think what a lot of the characters in her novella did was total BS, I still try to see things from their perspective. However, even though Oakstar was angry about the kits' father being the guy who he believed purposely killed his son, it didn't give him the right to exile them, it wasn't their fault. |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 27, 2019 15:34:25 GMT -5
I for one love Mapleshade as a bad guy but do think shes abit...overused....... I still hate almost everyone in her book I don't really care for her, and while I think what a lot of the characters in her novella did was total BS, I still try to see things from their perspective. However, even though Oakstar was angry about the kits' father being the guy who he believed purposely killed his son, it didn't give him the right to exile them, it wasn't their fault. Ravenwing is the worst med cat thunderclan has had from what we know and darkstar is just as cruel. appledusk is a cheater and frecklewish was a real piece of work
that book makes me the most mad any warrior thing has
(besides maybe spottedleafs heart)
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 27, 2019 15:44:34 GMT -5
I don't really care for her, and while I think what a lot of the characters in her novella did was total BS, I still try to see things from their perspective. However, even though Oakstar was angry about the kits' father being the guy who he believed purposely killed his son, it didn't give him the right to exile them, it wasn't their fault. Ravenwing is the worst med cat thunderclan has had from what we know and darkstar is just as cruel. appledusk is a cheater and frecklewish was a real piece of work
that book makes me the most mad any warrior thing has
(besides maybe spottedleafs heart)
THANK YOU! People always say "Ravenwing was just doing his job. It wasn't his fault!!!1!!1". I could believe that he didn't think Oakstar would exile the kits, but he knew things weren't going to end well. He did not have to tell Oakstar about his "vision" (which I still suspect was made up). He did not stand apart of Clan rivalries and his hatred of RC got three innocent kits killed. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 15:45:26 GMT -5
I don't really care for her, and while I think what a lot of the characters in her novella did was total BS, I still try to see things from their perspective. However, even though Oakstar was angry about the kits' father being the guy who he believed purposely killed his son, it didn't give him the right to exile them, it wasn't their fault. Ravenwing is the worst med cat thunderclan has had from what we know and darkstar is just as cruel. appledusk is a cheater and frecklewish was a real piece of work
that book makes me the most mad any warrior thing has
(besides maybe spottedleafs heart)
What kind of medicine cat doesn't report important things to their leader though? I don't think Ravenwing was trying to be malicious, I think that he was just trying to do what he thought was best for ThunderClan, and he probably didn't expect Oakstar to exile everyone. Appledusk may not have the best morals when it comes to the hearts of others, but I don't think he's a bad guy either, he literally died saving the lives of five cats (if you count Perchpaw) Frecklewish was grieving her littermate, the cat she grew up with. Mapleshade led her to believe that her kits were her brother's, which made her sooo happy, that he would live on in them. Instead, she finds out that they're actually the kits of the guy who caused her brother's death, that must have gutted her. All these cats did do bad things, but I don't think they themselves are bad, just misguided. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 15:46:41 GMT -5
Ravenwing is the worst med cat thunderclan has had from what we know and darkstar is just as cruel. appledusk is a cheater and frecklewish was a real piece of work
that book makes me the most mad any warrior thing has
(besides maybe spottedleafs heart)
THANK YOU! People always say "Ravenwing was just doing his job. It wasn't his fault!!!1!!1". I could believe that he didn't think Oakstar would exile the kits, but he knew things weren't going to end well. He did not have to tell Oakstar about his "vision" (which I still suspect was made up). He did not stand apart of Clan rivalries and his hatred of RC got three innocent kits killed. When was it EVER said that Ravenwing hated RiverClan? What evidence was there that the omen was made up? |
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 27, 2019 15:48:14 GMT -5
Anywho, back on topic.
We really don't enough about a lot cats for me to say. But I'd say the gullible ones could be tricked. So Flywhisker, Shadowsight, and Bristlefrost for sure. Maybe Spotfur too. She seemed a little airheaded at times.
Maybe Hollytuft? She seemed a little more on the aggressive side when we've seen her, so she could be tricked with the making herself a better warrior shtick.
I can't really think of anyone else.
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 27, 2019 15:53:46 GMT -5
Ravenwing is the worst med cat thunderclan has had from what we know and darkstar is just as cruel. appledusk is a cheater and frecklewish was a real piece of work
that book makes me the most mad any warrior thing has
(besides maybe spottedleafs heart)
What kind of medicine cat doesn't report important things to their leader though? I don't think Ravenwing was trying to be malicious, I think that he was just trying to do what he thought was best for ThunderClan, and he probably didn't expect Oakstar to exile everyone. Oh, he knew exactly what he was doing when he told Oakstar. He was so smug and vindictive when he confronted Mapleshade with the "vision". He was practically gleeful that she is going to be punished for breaking the code. He may not have wanted them to be exiled, but he made damn sure they were punished. Medicine cats keep things from their leaders all the time. They often wait for more information if they don't understand a vision. Or they may keep things to themselves if they think it will cause conflict. StarClan is not infallible and a good medicine cat understands this. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 15:57:29 GMT -5
What kind of medicine cat doesn't report important things to their leader though? I don't think Ravenwing was trying to be malicious, I think that he was just trying to do what he thought was best for ThunderClan, and he probably didn't expect Oakstar to exile everyone. Oh, he knew exactly what he was doing when he told Oakstar. He was so smug and vindictive when he confronted Mapleshade with the "vision". He was practically gleeful that she is going to be punished for breaking the code. He may not have wanted them to be exiled, but he made damn sure they were punished. Medicine cats keep things from their leaders all the time. They often wait for more information if they don't understand a vision. Or they may keep things to themselves if they think it will cause conflict. StarClan is not infallible and a good medicine cat understands this. That's Mapleshade's perspective of it though, the cat who was getting called out. It's hard to tell what a character's true motive's are just from one character's perspective. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 15:59:03 GMT -5
Anywho, back on topic. We really don't enough about a lot cats for me to say. But I'd say the gullible ones could be tricked. So Flywhisker, Shadowsight, and Bristlefrost for sure. Maybe Spotfur too. She seemed a little airheaded at times. Maybe Hollytuft? She seemed a little more on the aggressive side when we've seen her, so she could be tricked with the making herself a better warrior shtick. I can't really think of anyone else. Is Spotfur airheaded? I hadn't noticed lol I wonder if Flipclaw will turn out aggressive like his mentor? |
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 27, 2019 16:00:46 GMT -5
THANK YOU! People always say "Ravenwing was just doing his job. It wasn't his fault!!!1!!1". I could believe that he didn't think Oakstar would exile the kits, but he knew things weren't going to end well. He did not have to tell Oakstar about his "vision" (which I still suspect was made up). He did not stand apart of Clan rivalries and his hatred of RC got three innocent kits killed. When was it EVER said that Ravenwing hated RiverClan? What evidence was there that the omen was made up? Everyone in TC hated RC at the time. It wouldn't be a stretch to say the young and inexperienced medicine cat could be influenced by this. It was never outright said he did, but there it would fit the current context. In TUG it states that he recognized the kits as Appledusk's when they were born. He didn't need an omen to tell him that. We have no evidence that an omen actually did happen. All we have is what he told Mapleshade. An omen tells him what he already knows and he can barely contain his glee when he confronts Mapleshade with it? Definitely fishy. Even if it was real, my original point still stands. He should not have told Oakstar. |
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 27, 2019 16:02:27 GMT -5
Oh, he knew exactly what he was doing when he told Oakstar. He was so smug and vindictive when he confronted Mapleshade with the "vision". He was practically gleeful that she is going to be punished for breaking the code. He may not have wanted them to be exiled, but he made damn sure they were punished. Medicine cats keep things from their leaders all the time. They often wait for more information if they don't understand a vision. Or they may keep things to themselves if they think it will cause conflict. StarClan is not infallible and a good medicine cat understands this. That's Mapleshade's perspective of it though, the cat who was getting called out. It's hard to tell what a character's true motive's are just from one character's perspective. Reread that scene and pay close attention to Ravenwing's demeanor throughout it. He was practically overjoyed to be exposing her. |
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Post by Cheetahstar on Nov 27, 2019 16:08:24 GMT -5
I feel like this is gonna derail into another mapleshades vengeance debate/
Frecklewish is the cat i do feel for the most, i didn't expect her to swim in flooding waters but i do feel as though she was assuming something she had no grounds to assume on.
anyway
I wonder if the dark forest will ever come up again or if its just...gone now that they had their arc
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 16:20:13 GMT -5
MistybreezeOkay, I read the scene, and it seems to be like Ravenwing is warning her at first. Maybe, the omen is real, and he believes that StarClan is telling him that the kits don't belong there, and he is giving Mapleshade a chance to figure out something to do, before StarClan unleashes their wrath, or whatever. I now think he exposed her out of fear. I don't understand why people think Mapleshade should get a free pass for breaking the code, yet they think Dovewing should be punished, also, they think that Firestar should have told about Graystripe and Silverstream, but when Ravenwing does it, he gets tons of hate? I know there were different leaders at the time, but still?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2019 16:21:21 GMT -5
I feel like this is gonna derail into another mapleshades vengeance debate/ Frecklewish is the cat i do feel for the most, i didn't expect her to swim in flooding waters but i do feel as though she was assuming something she had no grounds to assume on. anyway I wonder if the dark forest will ever come up again or if its just...gone now that they had their arc In Squirrelflight's Hope, it said that the DF was like almost non-existent or something.
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