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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 12:56:08 GMT -5
I just finished reading both of those, now, I will share my thoughts.
Redtail's Debt, I found it a little boring, however, I did love that cute brotherly scene between Patchpelt and Redtail.
Also...the best part...baby Mudclaw!
And Tornear too, even though he wasn't mentioned by name.
ThunderClan were HUGE jerks in this book, they invaded WindClan's camp, while everyone, except two warriors, were out.
Then, they proceeded to tear up the elder's den and the nursery, and Tigerclaw even hurt Ryestalk RIGHT in front of her kits.
I do like how Bluestar told them NOT to touch the medicine cat den, I wonder if she was thinking about Hawkheart and Moonflower when she said that.
Speaking of Hawkheart, I think he was probably out gathering herbs or something, because I doubt he'd let this fly.
I'm not even going to get into the whole Oakheart thing.
Stagleap was amazing in this book, he's so kind and pure, he's the best WindClan cat of that generation.
That's all I really have to say about Redtail's Debt.
Now, onto Tawnypelt's Clan.
I think it was unreasonable what Tawnypelt said to Tigerheartstar, he was in no way acting like Tigerclawstar.
Yes, what he said about Rowanclaw was harsh, but what Tawnypelt was doing was even worse, than some hurtful words.
She was trying to take Tigerheartstar's kit aged son, on a potentially dangerous journey, all the way to the tribe, in leaf-bare!
I know in the end, she turned out to be right, but I think Tigerheartstar had a right to be upset, especially when she was just going to steal him away in the middle of the night.
Other than that, it was nice seeing Stormfur and The Tribe again, and I'm glad that everyone made up in the end.
also, I really adore how much Tawnypelt loves her family.
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Post by Haze on Nov 21, 2019 15:45:34 GMT -5
The novel were Tawnypelt shows that she is a true Shadowclan cat and kidnaps a kit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 15:58:48 GMT -5
The novel were Tawnypelt shows that she is a true Shadowclan cat and kidnaps a kit. Hahah right? She REALLY wants the old ShadowClan back |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 21, 2019 15:59:45 GMT -5
This thread so reminds me of Moonkitti's video "Tawnypelt kidnaps a boy".  I loved Tawnypelt's Clan and seeing Stormfur again. If I remember correctly, he had another litter, so it was cool seeing his family. I agree that Redtail's Debt was pretty boring. I can't believe that the Erins could forget that Oakheart was killed by a rockfall. Redtail didn't kill him. >.< |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:09:55 GMT -5
This thread so reminds me of Moonkitti's video "Tawnypelt kidnaps a boy". I loved Tawnypelt's Clan and seeing Stormfur again. If I remember correctly, he had another litter, so it was cool seeing his family. I agree that Redtail's Debt was pretty boring. I can't believe that the Erins could forget that Oakheart was killed by a rockfall. Redtail didn't kill him. >.< I saw that video XD I LOVE Tigerheartstar's voice in her videos lol. Yeah  a daughter named Breeze, and another one named Feather Same! That was a super major important plot point in the first series! Not only do they make Oakheart look bad, but they kind of make Redtail bad too kind of, I mean, he was defending Ravenpaw, but still, he killed a cat. |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 21, 2019 16:13:45 GMT -5
This thread so reminds me of Moonkitti's video "Tawnypelt kidnaps a boy". I loved Tawnypelt's Clan and seeing Stormfur again. If I remember correctly, he had another litter, so it was cool seeing his family. I agree that Redtail's Debt was pretty boring. I can't believe that the Erins could forget that Oakheart was killed by a rockfall. Redtail didn't kill him. >.< I saw that video XD I LOVE Tigerheartstar's voice in her videos lol. Yeah a daughter named Breeze, and another one named Feather Same! That was a super major important plot point in the first series! Not only do they make Oakheart look bad, but they kind of make Redtail bad too kind of, I mean, he was defending Ravenpaw, but still, he killed a cat. Ravenpaw wasn't like the Ravenpaw we know in TPB, too. It was super annoying to read. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:16:55 GMT -5
I saw that video XD I LOVE Tigerheartstar's voice in her videos lol. Yeah a daughter named Breeze, and another one named Feather Same! That was a super major important plot point in the first series! Not only do they make Oakheart look bad, but they kind of make Redtail bad too kind of, I mean, he was defending Ravenpaw, but still, he killed a cat. Ravenpaw wasn't like the Ravenpaw we know in TPB, too. It was super annoying to read. That's true, though, it could be explained I guess. In Bluestar's Prophecy, Ravenkit was very timid, so they gave him Tigerclaw as a mentor, to get him out of his shell. It started to work, but after what happened, it completely reversed everything, and made Ravenpaw even more nervous before. OR, he was already extremely nervous of Tigerclaw, and all that wanting to fight and what not, was just an act, so he wouldn't upset Tigerclaw |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 21, 2019 16:19:03 GMT -5
Ravenpaw wasn't like the Ravenpaw we know in TPB, too. It was super annoying to read. That's true, though, it could be explained I guess. In Bluestar's Prophecy, Ravenkit was very timid, so they gave him Tigerclaw as a mentor, to get him out of his shell. It started to work, but after what happened, it completely reversed everything, and made Ravenpaw even more nervous before. OR, he was already extremely nervous of Tigerclaw, and all that wanting to fight and what not, was just an act, so he wouldn't upset Tigerclaw I guess either one of those could work. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 16:21:58 GMT -5
That's true, though, it could be explained I guess. In Bluestar's Prophecy, Ravenkit was very timid, so they gave him Tigerclaw as a mentor, to get him out of his shell. It started to work, but after what happened, it completely reversed everything, and made Ravenpaw even more nervous before. OR, he was already extremely nervous of Tigerclaw, and all that wanting to fight and what not, was just an act, so he wouldn't upset Tigerclaw I guess either one of those could work. This novella also ret-conned A LOT of things. Sandstorm's parents, Darkstripe's parents, maybe even Graystripe's parents, because I think Redtail would mention if his littermate had a kit |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 21, 2019 17:20:25 GMT -5
I guess either one of those could work. This novella also ret-conned A LOT of things. Sandstorm's parents, Darkstripe's parents, maybe even Graystripe's parents, because I think Redtail would mention if his littermate had a kit I don't think it was ever confirmed in the books who their parents are. But yeah, Redtail would have mentioned if his littermate had a kit. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 17:22:22 GMT -5
This novella also ret-conned A LOT of things. Sandstorm's parents, Darkstripe's parents, maybe even Graystripe's parents, because I think Redtail would mention if his littermate had a kit I don't think it was ever confirmed in the books who their parents are. But yeah, Redtail would have mentioned if his littermate had a kit. Oh, well, I guess nothing was retconned then lol At least Mudclaw was confirmed to be Ryestalk and Shrewclaw's kit |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 21, 2019 17:31:13 GMT -5
I don't think it was ever confirmed in the books who their parents are. But yeah, Redtail would have mentioned if his littermate had a kit. Oh, well, I guess nothing was retconned then lol At least Mudclaw was confirmed to be Ryestalk and Shrewclaw's kit Yeah. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 17:34:44 GMT -5
Oh, well, I guess nothing was retconned then lol At least Mudclaw was confirmed to be Ryestalk and Shrewclaw's kit Yeah. I love how ThunderClan burst into their camp, and he was just like, "Yo mama, who are these cats? They smell funny." |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 21, 2019 17:40:52 GMT -5
Yeah. I love how ThunderClan burst into their camp, and he was just like, "Yo mama, who are these cats? They smell funny." Poor Mudclaw. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 17:48:53 GMT -5
I love how ThunderClan burst into their camp, and he was just like, "Yo mama, who are these cats? They smell funny." Poor Mudclaw. His whole life is a tragedy lol I'm confused though, isn't he supposed to be older than Redtail? Even older than Tigerclaw for that matter? I guess ThunderClan isn't the only clan with powers, some cats in RiverClan have the powers of coming back to life, despite not being leaders, Shrewclaw's family has the power to change their ages at will, I guess Yellowfang could count as ShadowClan's power |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 21, 2019 17:57:45 GMT -5
Poor Mudclaw. His whole life is a tragedy lol I'm confused though, isn't he supposed to be older than Redtail? Even older than Tigerclaw for that matter? I guess ThunderClan isn't the only clan with powers, some cats in RiverClan have the powers of coming back to life, despite not being leaders, Shrewclaw's family has the power to change their ages at will, I guess Yellowfang could count as ShadowClan's power lol I have no idea if he was supposed to be older than Redtail or Tigerclaw. Nope, ThunderClan isn't the only clan to have those powers! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 18:06:44 GMT -5
His whole life is a tragedy lol I'm confused though, isn't he supposed to be older than Redtail? Even older than Tigerclaw for that matter? I guess ThunderClan isn't the only clan with powers, some cats in RiverClan have the powers of coming back to life, despite not being leaders, Shrewclaw's family has the power to change their ages at will, I guess Yellowfang could count as ShadowClan's power lol I have no idea if he was supposed to be older than Redtail or Tigerclaw. Nope, ThunderClan isn't the only clan to have those powers! In Tallstar's Revenge, he's only about a year and a half (or less) younger than Tallstar. Tallstar is a bit older than Bluestar, who is probably at least a year older than Tigerclaw, and Tigerclaw's about 6 moons older than Redtail |
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Post by Hawkflower on Nov 21, 2019 20:43:35 GMT -5
I finished Redtail’s Debt today! I liked seeing more of the old ThunderClan. I know you’re not getting into the whole Oakheart thing but...the situation itself was always confusing for me to remember and then the novella just makes it worse
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 21:23:19 GMT -5
I finished Redtail’s Debt today! I liked seeing more of the old ThunderClan. I know you’re not getting into the whole Oakheart thing but...the situation itself was always confusing for me to remember and then the novella just makes it worse That's funny that we basically finished reading it at the same time lol I love reading about the old clans too all the other clans, especially WindClan, seemed so much nicer back then All I know, is that Into the Wild, Oakheart was killed by a rockslide, making Redtail completely innocent of his death. In Redtail's Debt, Oakheart is a jerk, and Redtail did the thing that Bluestar insisted that he'd never do. |
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Post by *Ravenpaw* on Nov 22, 2019 22:49:27 GMT -5
lol I have no idea if he was supposed to be older than Redtail or Tigerclaw. Nope, ThunderClan isn't the only clan to have those powers! In Tallstar's Revenge, he's only about a year and a half (or less) younger than Tallstar. Tallstar is a bit older than Bluestar, who is probably at least a year older than Tigerclaw, and Tigerclaw's about 6 moons older than Redtail Wow. : o |
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Post by Mistybreeze on Nov 22, 2019 23:41:54 GMT -5
Other than the timeline issues and Oakheart's death, RD was great. It was interesting to see Tigerclaw's manipulative side from another perspective. And no, I don't think he was out of character in this book. I made a whole thread on it ages ago.
I absolutely loved TC. All of the characters were so strong in this book. And I was NOT expecting it to confirm word for word what I had long speculated about Tawnypelt's place in ShC.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 7:35:52 GMT -5
Other than the timeline issues and Oakheart's death, RD was great. It was interesting to see Tigerclaw's manipulative side from another perspective. And no, I don't think he was out of character in this book. I made a whole thread on it ages ago. I absolutely loved TC. All of the characters were so strong in this book. And I was NOT expecting it to confirm word for word what I had long speculated about Tawnypelt's place in ShC. I don't think Tigerclaw was out of character at all either, in Tigerclaw's Fury, he seems like an arrogant dipstick just like he does in Redtail's Debt lol That's pretty cool that you predicted what was going to happen with Tawnypelt |
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Post by cappuccinokitty on Nov 23, 2019 12:16:22 GMT -5
I was disappointed with Redtail’s debt tbh but I liked TC
Tawnypelt was great, I even kinda liked Dovewing for the first time ever. Her relationship with Rowanclaw was adorable too
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 13:16:04 GMT -5
I was disappointed with Redtail’s debt tbh but I liked TC Tawnypelt was great, I even kinda liked Dovewing for the first time ever. Her relationship with Rowanclaw was adorable too I agree! However, I read those books right after Bramblestar's Storm, and the part where Tawnypelt said that Rowanclaw always supported her choices, or whatever, made me go "Yeah right" Because in Bramblestar's Storm, he got hella mad at her for deciding to ask ThunderClan for help. But he's probably changed since then (it's been a couple of years) and it makes sense that he'd get upset with her, since she went behind his back. Speaking of Bramblestar though...I wonder why she kept referring to him as Brambleclaw? He was leader already, wasn't he? If she meant when she left ThunderClan, he would have been Bramblepaw then |
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Post by *Faith* on Nov 23, 2019 19:03:21 GMT -5
I really loved TC. It was great seeing Stormfur again and finding out that he and Brook have since had a second litter of kits. I like to headcanon that Feather was partially named after Feathertail. Crag is also a much better Stoneteller than the previous one. In my opinion at least.
As for RD, I thought Redtail's POV was cute... but I am annoyed with all the continuity issues. Seriously! Deadfoot, Pigeonpaw and Sorrelpaw are littermates, much older than Redtail. Mudclaw, Tornear, Wrenflight and her littermates should all be warriors by now. Petaldust is for some reason listed as an apprentice despite being older than Crookedstar and her littermates are listed as warriors. Plus, that ending. That is confirmed to eventually be getting fixed.
On the plus side, my headcanon that Redtail was Mousefur's mentor is still safe. She was still a kit when he became a warrior. They also quite clearly retconned Willowpelt and Tawnyspots as Darkstripe's parents since Tawnyspots was already dead by the time Redtail and Willowpelt became warriors. I can still headcanon Willowpelt as the mother, though. Same with Graystripe. I'll just headcanon Whitestorm as the father of all three of her litters.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2019 19:30:52 GMT -5
I really loved TC. It was great seeing Stormfur again and finding out that he and Brook have since had a second litter of kits. I like to headcanon that Feather was partially named after Feathertail. Crag is also a much better Stoneteller than the previous one. In my opinion at least. As for RD, I thought Redtail's POV was cute... but I am annoyed with all the continuity issues. Seriously! Deadfoot, Pigeonpaw and Sorrelpaw are littermates, much older than Redtail. Mudclaw, Tornear, Wrenflight and her littermates should all be warriors by now. Petaldust is for some reason listed as an apprentice despite being older than Crookedstar and her littermates are listed as warriors. Plus, that ending. That is confirmed to eventually be getting fixed. On the plus side, my headcanon that Redtail was Mousefur's mentor is still safe. She was still a kit when he became a warrior. They also quite clearly retconned Willowpelt and Tawnyspots as Darkstripe's parents since Tawnyspots was already dead by the time Redtail and Willowpelt became warriors. I can still headcanon Willowpelt as the mother, though. Same with Graystripe. I'll just headcanon Whitestorm as the father of all three of her litters. I completely forgot about Petaldust just being an apprentice while her brothers were warriors, I do remember wondering what was up with that though. I did like the idea of Tawnyspots being Darkstripe's father, and Willowpelt not being his mother, because that way, Windflight's bad son wouldn't be the only one to have kits, and Thistleclaw would be Darkstripe's uncle, but then poor Tawnyspots would have to have a son like Darkstripe. However, if Willowpelt is her mother and Whitestorm is his father, then that'll make Thistleclaw his grandfather XD Poor Whitestorm though, having two deranged sons. |
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I loved Tawnypelt's Clan and seeing Stormfur again. If I remember correctly, he had another litter, so it was cool seeing his family.
a daughter named Breeze, and another one named Feather 
