ThunderClan vs Everyone

I've seen people compare ThunderClan to Gryffindor, but never to America, but I can honestly see that.
I can REALLY see that.
What countries are the other clans compared to?

I would have expected ShadowClan to be compared to Russia, since they're the tough cold clan lol.
I can definitely see SkyClan as Canada. 
Well... if it's referring to Wold War 2, then I can see ShadowClan being Germany, and WindClan being Poland makes sense

This actually gets into something that I was about to make my own thread about. One thing that really bothers me about the warriors series in general is the way it provides such s simplified view of real world politics. In the world of warriors, intervention by a foreign country is always good, and always as altruistic as it claims to be, even if the circumstances surrounding it are such that, on the face of it, had it happened in the real world it would be massively controversial at best. For example, the whole SkyClan situation - what Firestar and Sandstorm are doing is, with the noble intentions of trying to correct a historical injustice, manipulating a bunch of cats, including young kits and apprentices, into joining a new society/cult where they can expect to face mortal danger and live much shorter lives than they would have otherwise, as well as leaving behind friends and their twolegs, who some love as family. All of this project requires Firestar abandoning his own Clan for quite a long time. Said injustice was so far back that there's only one cat who remembers or cares about it, yet while the book shows respect for cats who don't choose the life of a Clan cat, it basically portrays anyone who doesn't sign in for the project like Oscar as just annoying. Compare this all to in real life, where we have real examples of countries being created from scratch to correct historical injustices, like with Israel. Israel has a lot better reason for existence than SkyClan (given a lot of the injustices in question being recent and ongoing) and yet that hasn't stoped issues around Israel from being (without getting into it in detail, I don't want to have a debate about such a contentious real-world politics issue here) massively controversial. Or take the example of Liberia in real life, which was formed by enslaved Americans who were freed and sent to Western Africa. Similar story to SkyClan, but the reasons for forming it weren't fully altruistic (a lot of Americans supported the movement to form it because, while they oppose slavery, they had racist separatist ideas), and of course that Liberia, like Israel was created in the middle of an area with lots of other groups and countries. None of this is a problem with SkyClan until AVOS, and when it is, SkyClan is portrayed as completely right and sanctioned by StarClan to move to the forest, and all aggression that occurs is from the other Clans to SkyClan - any moral ambiguity that would undoubtably exist in real life is erased.
     Similarly, with the whole Onestar situation - the opposition to Onestar largely comes from the idea that Firestar is installing him as a puppet leader, manipulating the laws of succession to get his friend and supporter in power. But since warriors can never have a non-unambiguously good intervention (unless it's TigerClan level blatantly evil), the story makes an effort to show that Firestar is completely right in intervening, he is doing it out of completely genuine kindness, and Mudclaw sides with the obviously evil Hawkfrost and everyone we aren't supposed to like just to make sure we don't support him too much. The fact that Firestar encouraged/begged/manipulated Onestar to be leader when he didn't want to be isn't really brought up, and when Onestar becomes more bitter about interventions thanks to wanting to prove that he's not a puppet leader, he's portrayed as cruelly and negatively as possible, and ThunderClan as innocently as possible in the whole thing, to make sure we don't focus too much on the potential downsides of a foreign leader supporting the dubious claim to power of his friend who seemed to share all the same political views, coercing said friend to be leader against his will, and lending support in a civil war. Instead, we're led to believe that everyone would be better off if they become unconditional allies to ThunderClan in response to being helped, that everyone really should be ThunderClan's puppets, and anything else is always motivated by ungratefulness and pride and never for more sympathetic reasons. Same thing to a lesser extent with Nightstar - ThunderClan helps him into power, he doesn't ally with ThunderClan all the time, and that is a bad thing because ThunderClan is always so morally righteous that not being their ally/puppet pretty much always makes you in the wrong.
     You even see this with the first part of the New Prophecy. In any other context, Firestar's actions in Dawn would be seriously debatable. He is forcing ShadowClan and especially the desperate WindClan to stay in a forest when they are starving, just because tradition/his religious beliefs demand that they have to wait for the uncooperative RiverClan. Cats die because of his decision. And for that matter, pressuring RiverClan, who understandably has no desire to leave behind their perfectly fine home they've lived in since time immemorial favor of a dangerous journey to an uncertain future just because tradition says they have to follow their political rivals everywhere they go. Yet RiverClan's intransigence is never portrayed as anything more than selfish and annoying, and their forest gets destroyed anyway, Firestar turns out to be right, and again any potential for moral ambiguity is removed. (It would have been super interesting if they had explored the other Clans' resentment over this a bit more, and would have potentially explained a lot more about the motivations behind the WindClan civil war and Blackstar siding with Sol after StarClan had took Firestar's side and insisted his Clan wait so long to leave).
     I'm not saying that intervening is anything close to always bad in the real world, there are certainly many real-life incidences of one country helping another in a way that's genuinely completely good and altruistic or at least close to it. I'm not focusing on that since that's obviously not really a lesson the Erins need to learn. But it's certainly a lot more complicated in real life than it is in these books. There are so many situations that happen a lot in real life history that just never happen in warriors. You never see a cat with good intentions trying to intervene in another Clan and mess up because they don't really understand their situation. You never see a Clan help another and then use that aid as a political bargaining chip. If you ever see a Clan try to change another group's culture drastically for what they think is the greater good, it always really is the greater good, however much the group might talk about worries about their culture changing (like with the Tribe, which really does turn out to be so utterly incapable without Clan aid that you wonder how they have survived so long). You never see a cat depose or assassinate another Clan's leader because the old leader isn't close enough allies with them, or because said cat thinks they know best what kind of leader said Clan really needs, with tragic or at least not unambiguously good and heroic results (the closest we have to that is Brokenstar, who is obviously evil and hated by most of his own Clan anyway). You'd certainly never see a cynical interventionist cat who thinks, say, that ShadowClan is just inherently more corrupt than ThunderClan and needs a brutal leader like Blackstar to keep them in line, and consequentially helps to overthrow a leader like Rowanstar, leading to a moral debate about whether the cat was right given ShadowClan's history and culture and their reaction to said kinder leader, or whether their actions were a cruel, self-fulfilling prophecy that deprived ShadowClan of a chance to become better. (Now I want to write an AVOS AU where Sparkpelt is conspiring against or kills Rowanstar for those reasons, maybe just when it looks like he might maybe have a chance of helping his Clan recover from Darktail...)

I was mostly joking, although I actually have seen other people compare ThunderClan to America in an incredibly broad sense (such as always being depicted as the "hero" location) rather than because of anything specific.

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You make a really good point about atheism in the series.
Another thing, is the fact that StarClan cats can present themselves whenever they feel like it for the most part.
Also, the Dark Forest battle, it's kind of hard to say that something doesn't exist when all of that has been shown.
But yet, there's still Cloudtail who I think still doesn't believe, despite he saw some of those cats, Darkstripe, Tigerstar, etc, die beforehand, and now, here he is fighting against them.
Maybe he thought that Tigerclaw was just another one of the many Tiger-clones lol

The problem originates in The New Prophecy. TPB had Starclan be mostly in the background which allowed for situations where Shadowclan and Windclan were indeed correct, as you said(I never felt Nightstar or Tallstar were villainized). Bluestar was also shown to be pompous and arrogant at times as well. This was good. Then came TNP, and Starclan thrust itself into the plot with full gusto, employing complicated schemes with Midnight and arbiting absolute morality in all matters. The Power of Three and Omen of the Stars went in the right direction by presenting Starclan as fallible, but the clans never acknowledge this and AVOS certainly does not either, turning Starclan into Old Testament God.

That's actually from Bramblestar's Storm if this is the scene you're referring to.

Old-school ThunderClan are JERKS
I'm reading Redtail's Debt, and they're just coming in there, destroying the nursery and the elders dens, while there are kits and elders there.
Tigerclaw even clawed Ryestalk right in front of her kits!

Not to mention, that time when they invaded WindClan and destroyed their herb stocks.

When it comes to ThunderClan vs Everyone before Firestar, I'm def team everyone else.
ThunderClan was the worst clan back then.

Yeah, that's true
I can understand why ShadowClan attacked WindClan in the events of Yellowfang's Secret though, at least a few of the times.
Brokentail was manipulating everyone, he even tricked them into believing that WindClan had killed their leader, but you said Cedarstar, so I guess those times don't count. 

Yeah, thinking about it, I think you're right, ShadowClan were the true jerks of the old territory, I do still really like Cedarstar though. 

Also about Goosefeather's vision, I'm 100% team WindClan for that battle, but is it sure that he was wrong? I mean, isn't he supposed to be always right about this? Or am I confused? 

Ohhh, that makes sense
Which clan was your favorite back then, and which is your favorite modern?